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Forum Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta - Strongest character in all of fiction?


I say yes. What are your opinions SaiyanZ 02:57, February 20, 2010 (UTC) Most likely yes, IF YOU FORGOT ABOUT CHUCK NORRIS! 'Brolythelegend 06:30, February 20, 2010 (UTC) Lol. Dragon Ball characters are Chuck Norris's ancestors o_0 SaiyanZ 19:12, February 20, 2010 (UTC) The Dragon Ball Franchise is by far the greatest anime franchise of all time, and I truly mean it when I say I love it like no other. But SS4 Gogeta is not the strongest character in all of fiction. I know that Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann is stronger, and is likely the strongest fictional character ever. He is lightyears tall, and infinitly more powerful than any other character ever. Although when you consider how strong Gogeta in SS4 SHOULD be compared to how strong he looked, the fight might actually be close. Seriously, if SS2 was as strong as it seemed against Cell, SS4 should destroy an entire planet by breathing too hard, yet alone any sort of movement

Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann (not a Dragon Ball character).

. Yet the battle damage to Earth when SS4 Gogeta fought was barely any more severe than when they fought Cell. Which Anime is he from? He seems familiar...Brolythelegend 23:25, February 23, 2010 (UTC)

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Many believe that, and this is not about the most powerful character in fiction but about the character that can use the most power to do physical battle. SSJ 2 (talk) 21:58, January 4, 2012 (UTC)


Imagine super saiyan chuck norris His beard grows longer but he dosen't get stronger, Chuck Norris is the definition of power, screw Legendary Super Sayian Broly, Chuck norris blinks and the universe is unraveled, that is why Chuck Norris can sneeze with his eyes open and not cry.Brolythelegend 04:12, February 23, 2010 (UTC)

Ucell Says

Cell is strongest in terms of stamina in the bed,unless Buu's rage is accounted & Gogeta is nothing in terms of that.All of it atleast in anime Well, Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta wasn't holding a double sided dildo like buu to kill people. He could've been trying not to exert too much power against Omega Shenron, who he was light-years ahead. I've seen Tenga Toppan Gurren Lagann, but honestly I still feel Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta has more raw power than the robot. On top of all that, Dragon Ball just seems to defy logic wherever it goes, either through contradictions or through some absurd, twisted way of logic. In conclusion, I still hold on to my point. SaiyanZ 19:49, February 28, 2010 (UTC) I agree, he was taking Omega's strongest attacks and didn't even try to defend himself. SS4 Gogeta was near omnipotent with his power. You couldn't even see him move. Brolythelegend 01:31, March 1, 2010 (UTC) He was pretty all-powerful, but you couldn't see Goku move against Jeice and Burter either. And when you consider the size of Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann, it's hard to imagine that it wouldn't be a close fight. TTGL wouldn't even be able to see Gogeta first of all because he's so big, so he could just destroy the Galaxy that Gogeta is in. But Gogeta is probably so much faster, that it would be a fight beyond anyones capability of watching. It would be too hard to put into animation. :I guess you do put forth a legitimate claim, but if someone like Broly destroyed the South Galaxy all by himself, and Super Buu w/ Gohan broke dimensional barriers just by getting mad, I'd say Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta is capable of wiping out reality in mere instances. TTGL does have a Space-Time Continuum Attack if I remember, but still, someone like Guldo wields the power of time also. I still choose Gogeta but that is just my opinion. SaiyanZ 02:46, March 1, 2010 (UTC) I think we both put forth legitimate claims that can hardly be argued. :Good point. I don't mean to get off topic, but the Giga Drill Break is easily one of the most epic moments in anime history, in league with the Falcon Punch from the anime and the various DBZ techniques. SaiyanZ 01:19, March 2, 2010 (UTC) Not even freaking close. He's low tier compared to the marvel high tiers, Archie Super sonic stomps him, Darsh stomps him(Bastard!), Sailor moon(manga version) stomps his whole verse, Superboy prime stomps beats him etc. Squirrel Girl is the strongest character in fiction. No exceptions.

Dat wun crazy gai sez....

Unfortunately, you can never stay on top of 'strongest character in all of fiction' for very long. Someone will ALWAYS invent a bigger pile of retarded bullshit to blow you out of the water. No exceptions. While he may have been the strongest character in all of fiction when he was devised, he's been blown back by dozens of idiotic characters from various sources. Popular and not. See above and probably below for details. Case in point by the very simple fact that DBZ fanfiction (it's still fiction) has devised SS5, SS6, SS7, SS8... Multiple fusions such as Gogetto. Half the crap people devise for AF is stronger than SS4 Gogeta.... It's a pointless contest of who's stick is bigger when making a bigger stick is no more complicated than drawing a little bit onto the end.Joe DBGT Logo 123 Z Ball 09:22, March 30, 2011 (UTC)

ALL of fiction??

If we're counting all of fiction, I would definitely have to say no. SS4 Gogeta is powerful, sure, but in Marvel and DC comics, theres entities like the Spectre and the Living Tribunal. There's beings that can bend reality with ease. I wold say Gogeta is the most powerful in the Dragonball franchise(and addressing his destructive power, I would believe such skilled beings like him would have greater control in the power they exert in their battles. In the Cell era, they were trying their hardest, which meant blast as much as you can. So Gogeta knew he was far stronger than Omega Shenron, thus just playing around with him). Again, for all of fiction, I wouldn't count Gogeta out, but pretty damn strong. I would definitely say he's in the same league, if not higher than, the likes of Superman, Captain Marvel, The Sentry, and Thor. But don't forget, that's just my opinion. It's pretty hard to say since Marvel and DC guys like them can survive flying through bursting suns no problem, where the sun would destroy anyone in Dragonball. But characters such as Goku and Vegeta show that they can destroy planets and galaxies so easily, where we don't see it as much in the Marvel and DC universes, so we assume they can't. But Superman and others can definitely do such a task. But none of us could ever really know since we haven't created these universes and laws of physics in these works of fiction... ha, quite a mouthful. : You do realize that Cooler of all people survived the sun, right? And Cooler was beaten by a Super Saiyan. Now think about how exponentially more powerful even Super Saiyan 2 would be, and now think about Super Saiyan 4. Now combine it with another Super Saiyan 4. Definitely able to survive the sun. rofl at anyone in dragonball Galaxy busting. You guys do realize that SSJ4 Gogeta is strong enough to blow up ALL negitive energy in all of existance just by kicking it hard enough??? anyways i'm gonna go with SSJ4 Gogeta is the strongest charactor by far and heres why: first of all thinking too hard and the universe gets exploded. goku by himself could take the likes of superman, captian sentry and the like before he even goes super saiyan. it was proven when they ran a fic of goku vs superman in that famous poll. look if goku Pre super saiyan can take superman, and odds are he can take superman prime in SSJ4 which was considered one of the most rediculous overpowered charactors of all time, then i feel that SSJ4 Gogeta could easily take all newcomers to that fight. Super Tengen Toppa Giga Drill Breaker was able to destroy hundreds of galaxies in just a couple of seconds. Super Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann is big enough to destroy a galaxy by stepping on it. To attempt to compare the two animes is ridiculous, seeing as how they're so radically different, but if you want to compare them, Super Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann is definitely stronger. : Yes, except people like Broly were able to destroy a galaxy, and he was probably only about as strong as a Super Saiyan 2. Two people combined who are ridiculously more powerful than Broly could accomplish the same feat easily. Don't try to compare anime that have characters on completely different levels. Dragon Ball Z was about fighting planet destroying aliens. Gurren Lagann's about universe destroying, reality-bending aliens. Real big difference.

there could be one

If akaria toriyama was like stan lee then he could make a character like the one above all


SS4 Gogeta is indeed very strong but can it match the destructive power of Ideon? Ideon is by far the strongest Mecha (more to Super Robot) ever created. Why? Cause it can destroy the entire goddamn universe. As simple as that. With such power, wiping the oversized Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann would pose not much of a problem. Well, maybe not, but it can put up a very good fight with it. And btw. Ideon can recreate universe too.

Ryuk from death note

Hes a death god who cant die and just has to write Kakarot and Vegeta In the death note.Plus he loves apples : Being able to kill someone doesn't make you strong. This is about the strongest character in fiction. Anyways, Ryuk would have to find out Goku and Vegeta's last names somehow, according to the Death Note rules. In all of fiction? What about God(s)? Assuming that only one religion can be true, all other gods other than the true one must be fiction. It's still a close call, but I think God might actually be more powerful than Gogeta.

-Dragonball Z shows that the Kais (and King Yemma) are the highest beings in the otherworld, in other words they are the "gods" of Dragonball Z, with the Grand Supreme Kai being the strongest "god". Since Buu was easily able to overpower GSK it doesn't seem farfetched to suggest that SSJ4 Gogeta could be stronger than a god.


I think that in the Dragonball universe and compared to most things SS4 Gogeta is definintly the most powerfull. However the most powerfull I think is Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann from the anime Gurren Lagann would qualify as the most powerfull what with being well bigger then most Galxeys and having the ability of gods and such Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann would be the most powerfull. God from the Bible is stronger "God from the bible"? You just pissed off a lot of Christians who don't consider the Bible "fiction" lol.

the fact remains that an omnipotent god would be stronger.

gogeta is not omnipotent. living tribunal, superman prime, one-above-all. anyone who can wipe out the universe with a thought >>>>>>>>>gogeta is raped. SSJ4 Gogeta may be the strongest, but (im probably going to get a lot of hate from this) bo-bobo-bo-bo-bobo is technically invincible. His power level is probly like 200 but he can't die ever. just because you cant die doesnt mean you invincible. gogeta throws him into the sun. immortal ash. and gogeta is raped by alot of animes. hes not strongest.

Gogeta if not including fanfiction

Gogeta never used his full power at all probly not even a 100th of it. If we consider this and remember that Omega could've destroyed the entire universe with only pure negative energy far weaker than Gogeta's and Buu was able to destroy a part of reality with a scream while being unbelieavably weaker than almost every single shenron. God is not fiction he's religion its not counted as part of fiction, unless you include those knock-offs but the knock-offs are weaker than the "real" thing and way below Gogeta. prove it. prove he didnt use full power. whats that? you cant? and he was only destroying the universe over a long period of time. people like galactus can do it with ease in the blink of an eye. and they never destroyed part of reality, they just broke down dimensional walls. god is fiction in some fictional stories. how the hell are GODS below gogeta? gogeta is not omnipotent or omniprescient. hes actually quite weak for a supposed galaxy buster at best.

SSJ4 Gogeta isn't just a supposed galaxy buster he was probably strong enough to destroy the dragonball universe ten times over at least with his big bang kamehameha. {SSJ 2} (talk) 22:19, December 15, 2011 (UTC)

you guys is bein silleh.

everyone knows Team Four Star Mr. Popo is the strongest character in all of fiction! jeez... Exodia that is all Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta is probably the strongest character of all time. Let's take a look at DBZ history for a minute. In the early parts of DBZ before Vegeta became a super saiyan, it is shown in the anime that he was able to destroy Planet Arlia with two fingers. Now, Frieza, who is quite superior to to Vegeta at this point in time was shown destroying planet Vegeta with just one finger. Now Super Saiyan 4 is way stronger than both these characters put together. Kid Buu was shown destroying planet after planet and he's nowhere the level of Super Saiyan 4. Now just imagine two of the most powerful beings in the universe (Goku and Vegeta) who can take the likes of Superman, Galactus, Silver Surfer, etc., combining their powers of Super Saiyan 4 strength all condensed in one puny body. Now, you tell me, who is the strongest character of all time? If Kid Buu and Broly who aren't even strong enough to take down Super Saiyan 4 Goku or Vegeta but can wipe out galaxies, I'd say Gogeta using all his strength can destroy the entire universe. And don't forget that it took a Super Saiyan 3 to beat Buu, which is exponentially more powerful than Super Saiyan 2, which is more powerful than Super Saiyan 1, which destroyed Frieza, without being full power SSJ.

Trunten 3900

This is ALL of fiction, so no, ss4 Gogeta is not the strongest. For one thing there's the ssj5 Gogeta.(NO THERE'S NOT... Dragonball AF doesn't count) And there are many other types of fiction other than mangas. I had read a book when I was younger where one creature controled all of time and space, and erased people just like Gogeta from excistance(they didn't fly and fight but they destroyed galaxies and parallel universes too) with the greatest of ease. Also, since fictional carachters can be as strong as you want(CAUSE THEY'RE NOT REAL!!), so just anybody could create a character thats leagues ahead of Gogeta. Plus Super Vegito is stronger than ssj4 gogeta anyway.Note: Super Vegito has 70,000,000,000 power and ssj4 Gogeta has 45,000,000,000 power(says so in the Daizenshuu). (I think you might have left a couple zero's out of SSJ4 Gogeta's power level there... 4,500,000,000,000 seems a bit closer since each super saiyan form increases to wielder's power level EXPONENTIALLY.)

So youre saying that potato earrings arnt just slightly supirior to the Fusion Dance, but so significantly more powerful, that regular SSJ is stronger then a SSJ4? Even when the base powers of Goku and Vegeta increased from the Buu Arc all the way till the Shadow Dragon's Arc?

Well no, but still

If all of fiction, not counting the cheap omnipotent idiots like Marvel gods and gods in general, and only counting Dragon Ball canon, Super Saiyan 4 Vegito would be the strongest. Nobody say he can't be super saiyan 4 because you are wrong. ssj4 isnt in dragon ball canon, as its usually defined. it wasnt in the manga and as far as the manga goes, theres no proof vegetto can even be ssj2 Where does it say it isn't cannon? Just because it wasn't in the Manga doesn't mean it isn't part of the Dragon Ball universe.

yes it does. canon is the published works of one writer. toriyama didnt write dragonball gt.

Also, Vegito can become whatever ssj level his two components can become. First of all Super Vegito is at super saiyan 2 because he has a plasma aura.

for the majority of the fight, he had no lightning in his aura at all. i suppose nappa is a ssj2 because he had sparks in his aura?

Second, since both Goku and Vegeta eventually become ssj4, so can Vegito. Technically, if were not counting anime or movie as canon, then Gogeta doesn't excist, because he only appears in fusion reborn and GT, and that's not what you satated to be canon. And, anyway, Vegitto is still stronger than Gogeta(it says that Vegitto is only 10 billion points behind ssj4 Gogeta

nowhere official does it ever say that.

, so super Vegitto must be a lot stronger than Gogeta). Trunten 3900 12:43, July 19, 2011 (UTC)

"If all of fiction, not counting the cheap omnipotent idiots like Marvel gods and gods in general, and only counting Dragon Ball canon"? Serious? You might as well just say "If only counting Dragon Ball canon", which completely defeats the entire purpose of this thread. Clearly this is someone looking for a cheap way to say "Gogeta is strongest", but as demonstrated above, by using the word canon, you overshot to the point neither Gogeta nor SSJ4 exist. This is hilarious. 23:22, November 4, 2011 (UTC)

I'm so sick of people saying that GT doesn't count. No... it wasn't written by Toriyama but he did have input. I doubt he would have allowed it to be released if he didn't agree with the story. My theory is that if it has been seen... it counts! You guys who say "It doesn't count if it's not in the manga" are retarded. What does it being in the manga have to do with making it "less fiction"? IT'S ALL FICTION and it's all part of the same amazing story. I'm not saying that GT is better than DBZ or DB... We can all agree that GT is the worst series of the three, but it should still be included because it was released. As far as SSJ4 Gogeta being the strongest entity in all of FICTION, I believe you'd hard-pressed to find any stronger. ROBOTS DON'T COUNT BECAUSE THEY THEMSELVES ARE NOT CHARACTERS... THEY ARE WEAPONS!!! In unarmed combat, using one's OWN POWER... I think Gogeta has to be the strongest. The only real problem with him fighting someone like Galactus is that Galactus can only exist in space because that is the only big enough for him to exist. Perhaps a better fight would be SSJ4 Gogeta vs Silver Surfer. Didn't the surfer defeat Galactus (and I don't mean in that shitty Fantastic 4 movie either)? Or SSj4 Gogeta vs Cable? SSj4 Gogeta vs Archangel? I mean Archangel killed Apocolypse... Pretty strong if you ask me. All in all though, I still think Gogeta would win. Goku and Vegeta argued after their, for lack of a better word (that I can't think of right now), de-fusion about who was to blame for SSJ4 Gogeta HOLDING BACK his power and playing games with Omega. SSJ4 Gogeta, I believe, is way more than capable of destroying not only this universe, not only this demension, but every demension in existance! Goku in his child form could break through demension walls with the Kamehameha without even becoming a super saiyan. As far as the SSJ5 BULLSHIT... the only people who bring that crap into conversation had to have been born in the mid-90's. [This means you're too young to know better. We'll let you off the hook this one time... Don't let it happen again. ;-)]


did somebody really say EXODIA?! wtf?! as I recall, he wasn't even the strongest in YUGIOH! i mean.... what were you thinking? comparing Gogeta to EXODIA?! i can maybe imagine, say, kid Goku Oozaru vs. Exodia, but ssj4 Gogeta?! i cant even wrap my head around it. ^LOL

Definitely NOT.


**The author of the following section has never had sex with another person. It is quite possible that even his right hand may reject him. And to that, I say Definitely NOT!**

You guys can't base your opinions on voting polls and fan fictions. There's the Infinity gauntlet that allowed a being called Thanos to single-handedly defeat almost every Marvel hero, and even without the Infinity gauntlet, he might be able to pull that off too. Plus, there's higher beings than that such as the Living Tribunal, Eternity, and Infinity, who all have the power to manipulate space, time, matter, energy, magic, and pretty much anything else; literally EVERYTHING. So just because he has the power to destroy Galaxies, does not mean he can take devine beings that practically FORMED their universes. When Odin tapped into a MERE SMALL FRACTION of Infinity's power, his power exponentially increased! That alone with Marvel outdoes Gogeta. Then there's the other devine beings of the DC universe. The Presence, Radiant, Eclipso, The Endless, and The Spectre. I bet the Spectre alone could take Gogeta, but then again, I can't really say since I didn't come up with these characters, thus I don't know their true power levels. But I'm pretty sure, an OMNIPOTENT being can take out some Super-powered up Saiyan. You can't assume who will win, just because you THINK what could happen. You have to look at the facts, and only the facts that were displayed, not what you assume! "Oh Gogeta would just power up to his max and up Spectre!!" NO, you can't say that, because you don't know the true max power of Gogeta, BECAUSE IT WAS NEVER DISPLAYED; and you can't just assume what his power level is, because it makes you look RETARDED; it's like picking something at random, YOU REALLY DON'T KNOW.

Dude, get out of your comic books, seriously



Someone who makes sense instead of just making up there own Gogeta == Ok, in the original DBZ series Kobito Kai said that Kid Buu was Buu was at his original form which was also his most powerful and most evil. It was stated by the Kai that Kid Buu far surpassed all his == Ok, in the original DBZ series Kobito Kai said that Kid Buu was Buu was at his original form which was also his most powerful and most evil. It was stated by the Kai that Kid Buu far surpassed all his other forms because he was pure evil.

wrong he never said that. re read the original manga by akira toriyama. nowhere is this ever established.

Ultimate Gohan faced Buu at a state much weaker than that of Kid Buu and he could never truly defeat him on contrary, Goku said to Vegeta that at ssj3 he could have defeated Kid Buu at the very beginning if he wanted to. But, he said that he wanted to give Vegeta a turn to fight him.

funimation dub errors do not count. oh my god, will you please read the manga!

Therefore, if Goku could have, and eventually did anyway, defeat Buu, and Ultimate Gohan could not. It would only make sense that Goku would be superior at maximum power. However, at an original state, Gohan is much more powerful than that of Goku's ability. Which is why Akira was stating that Gohan was stronger.

akira never said anything about gohan being stronger or anyone being stronger. in all his interviews he never talked about power levels.

Toriyama was saying his natural form was superior but not when it comes to their full power. Also, if you recall in the Cell Saga, Gohan was about to lose and Goku HELPED Gohan defeat Cell. Without his father, Gohan would have lost against Cell, Bojack, and Broly.

goku only used his encouragement to help, not his power.

Every time Gohan won, Goku broke a rule to assist him in some way. When it comes to Vegeta, he is powerful but at the end of DBZ he submits to Goku saying that he is truly the best warrior. Moving on to DBGT. Though it is not created by Akira Toriyama, it is the follow up to the DBZ series and all rights had been submitted to the new series. Thus showing that all events taking place in GT truly must be taken into account just like any other DBZ episode. That being said, Goku and Vegeta transform into ssj4. This clearly shows that they are on a higher level than that of Gohan. Also, in DBGT Gohan reverts back into transforming into a ssj this is because he put his focus back into his studies and family due to the time of peace, when in fact, Goku continuously trained with Uub to increase their strength exponentially. To summarize my thoughts to the strongest original character, Goku at ssj4 is the strongest with Vegeta ssj4 coming at a close second.

prove vegeta is weaker.

Now when you look into fusions, though two people fuse, how many people do you see once the technique is performed? The answer is one. And the new being created from Goku and Vegeta at ssj4 would be ssj4 Gogeta. Gogeta's quote when he comes forth in GT is that he is neither Goku nor Vegeta, he is Gogeta. So if you would like to include fusion in your decision for the strongest it would have to be ssj4 Gogeta. He was clearly stronger than that of Omega Shenron. He was simply playing with him when they were fighting. Another note is that Omega Shenron was by far the strongest villain that the Dragonball franchise had ever seen.

which in comparison to other franchises, is kind of weak.

And when it truly comes down to it, in the end of DBZ and DBGT when all else fails, Goku ends up on top pushing his limits and rising above any enemy no matter what the circumstance Goku becomes victorious.

What about God?

He's pretty strong, being omnipotent and all... But whether or not he's fictional or not is still on debate...

He's been used in fiction in all His omnipotent glory, both in and out of Name, so that's good enough for me. 00:11, November 5, 2011 (UTC)

gogeta wins, flawless victory

seriously theres a point you all forget about this: Gogeta literally punted ALL EVIL IN THE UNIVERSE THAST EVER HAPPENED! THEN PROCEEDED TO REVERSE BECAUSE HE CAN! Seriously guys, thats the most OP thing i think i have EVER read. i don't think any other charactor in history has ever done that, so therefore i still hand it to him. You really need to know what you're talking about before you post to avoid looking like a fool. It isn't ALL EVIL IN THE UNIVERSE THAST EVER HAPPENED!!!1!!1!!111!!1!oneoneeleven1111!!!!!11 It was all the negative energy collected in the Dragon Balls every time they'd been used in the last 100 years or so. The Dragon Balls were used several times. They couldn't have collected too much. The Anti-Monitor would be more powerful, since he basically is all the evil in existance; he had the power to destroy entire dimensions and nearly destroyed the entire DC multiverse. It took basically (almost litteraly) every hero and villain in the entire multi-dimensional plane to take him down. Aside from that, a multitude of characters can just zap Gogeta out of existance if they feel like it. --DARK 03:53, July 18, 2011 (UTC) :

The Anti-Monitor would be more powerful than Omega Shenron, but probably not Gogeta. Gogeta was waaaaaaaaaaaay stronger than Omega Shenron. Plus if Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks could rip through dimensions, I'm sure Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta could destroy them if he felt like it. I'm sure there are people out there that could defeat Gogeta, but not as many people as some might think.

You fail,Gogeta gets owned HARD by Thanos,Galactus,Silver Surfer,etc.

Misreading the question

You people do realize this is for the strongest character in all fiction, right? Not who would win in a giant battle royale. Being able to bend reality is great, but we're talking raw power here, because characters in Dragon Ball Z stronger than Janemba or Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks could bend reality and stuff too, but in strength, Gogeta is the strongest fictional character. And yes, strength includes the power to make a gigantic ki blast, like the Big Bang Kamehameha. I just don't think we should include changing reality or time or space as "strength". That's an ability, not strength. Shakuran13 20:58, July 21, 2011 (UTC)

Thank you!!!!!!

To the person who just said were not talking about bending reality... I LOVE YOU. That's what i've been saying all along. No one cares about those stupid shows with weird people who can erase things with their minds... we're talking about a fist fight. No one touches ssj4 gogeta. period. THANK YOU SIR The problem with that argument is that it's entirely speculative. Maybe he can, maybe he can't. We haven't seen him do it, so we don't know. What we HAVE seen is the Anti-Monitor going from dimension to dimension litteraly blasting it to nothingness. As in, the people there no longer exist. At all. They were down to 5 universes before he was stopped, and this was out of near-infinite to start with. Gogeta is strong, but the fact his appearance was so limited (only being able to exist for 10 minutes at a time hurts too) is why we can't just assume he can do this or that. Who knows if dimension destroying is even possible in the Dragon Ball universe. The fact you're also trying to put your own rules and limitations on what others can do proves this is pointless, since you are, in simplest terms, a fanboy. Thank you and have a ncie day. --DARK 04:57, July 18, 2011 (UTC)


It depends. The strongest anime character is Tengen Toppen Gurren Laggan (Which is my favorite anime). However the strongest character in all of fiction would have to he one man alone who stands above all others. He is the Spectere. He literally has the power to do ANYTHING. He thinks and Gogeta is in candyland. Yeah, nobody beats him. Actually (and this conforms to their special "rules" even), Supreme Extinguisher X is the strongest fictional character. He isn't a god, but is litteraly stated to be stronger than any omnipotent, omnicent, or omnipresent character. Ever (I'm really not making this up, check it out). Regardless of whether this is some very odd troll/rumor, he's still a fictional character. That also brings up the thought that any of the little kids who play Dragon Ball will say, "My character is stronger than anyone in the show." They're fictional, just like others. So, Supreme is #1, and made-up Mary Sues are #2 (#3 is probably Guile, just saying). --DARK 05:23, July 18, 2011 (UTC) And since this is as pointless a topic as any others like it, here's some advice we should all follow; . --DARK 05:37, July 18, 2011 (UTC) You say that Supreme isn't a god. Well then he is less powerful then the Spectere. He is literally the embodiment of all of gods power. He is unstopable. The problem is he was litteraly stated to be more powerful than anything (that is how he's described, word for word). I'm guessing it's just a joke, but like I said before, he's still fictional. And for all you people who are going to take the Guile comment way too seriously, either go back to elementary school and learn about things like "sarcasm". It'll help you in the future. And why is this guy's main argument when you prove him wrong, "ur a nerd! u dnt get teh pussi!11!" Funny, though, that he implies he does. --DARK 19:18, July 18, 2011 (UTC) If multiple people are stated to be the most powerful then the comparrison is impoosible. Though I do agree with you about this being a pointless topic.

Don't even start...

Oh wow, Gogeta kicked a ball of negative energy. Doesn't mean it was all the negative energy in the universe. Where the hell did you get that information. Seriously, don't pull out these points that aren't confirmed by any legitimate source. And just because SS3 Gotenks could rip holes in dimensions by screaming, doesn't mean Gogeta can literally BEND REALITY. I'm pretty damn sure bending reality would help. Raw power? Please. Don't make me laugh. Yeah Gogeta is damn strong. I admit it, VERY strong. I personally think he'd rip shreds with the likes of Superman. But God-like entities? No. No matter how strong or fast you are in terms of reality, there's no competing with someone who literally has the universe in his palm, with the power to crush it at his whim. Stuff like destroying planets, galaxies, and even universes is as easy as breathing for the likes of Infinity, The Living Tribunal, and Eternity of the Marvel universe. The Spectre of the DC Universe is the living embodiment of God's wrath, it's been officially confirmed that he has limitless power, and "is being capable of anything within his imagination." These guys are omniscent, omnipresent, and omnipotent. Yeah, don't tell me Gogeta can just decide to make himself more powerful than that using his imagination. No. As powerful as Gogeta is, he too has his limits(Hell, he could only maintain fusion for 15 minutes!), whereas Spectre, Presence, Eternity, and so forth were literally made with NO limits. And sure, pure strength? I'm sure Gogeta has a ton of that, but again, just because these beings have all of these powers, they too have brute strength, and it's not because of their powers; it's been shown before. Gogeta never showed his full strength! Sure it looked like he was toying with Omega Shenron(which I'm sure he was) but how do we know he wasn't trying a little, or maybe more than that? So really, answer me this: If Gogeta arm-wrestled with the Spectre, would he really win? AGAIN, Spectre: No strength limit, Gogeta: limited by physical reality. And hey, if you asked Akira Toriyama, or some other DBZ official, I have a pretty good feeling that they'd agree that Gogeta can't take these Marvel/DC Gods. Oh and just because Kibitokai and the other Kaioshins were "Gods" doesn't mean they're in the same rank as these Marvel/DC Gods. I don't like seeing "Oh if Goku could beat a God like Supreme Kai, he can totally beat Spectre!!" No *shakes head* And really, I'm just laying these facts down, because I work for a texting company called chacha, similar to KGB. I get texts about comics/anime/manga etc. I have to know a damn lot to keep my job, so I do my research. And really, I'm not trying to bash on either side, I love both sides, but when it all comes down to it, you gotta look at the facts that each character's respective creators have bestowed upon them.


you just killed your own argument bro. you said "who knows if dimension destroying is even possible in the DB universe" but your trying to bring that to the argument. Again, we're talking about a fist fight, and in that case, gogeta would wipe yyour langen and spectre crap into next week. Not to mention, those loser wierdo's aren't getting the girls. Gogeta is gonna get some pussy! Are you SERIOUSLY saying that Gogeta ssj4 can beat Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann in a fist fight? ARE YOU NUTS???Gurren is LIGHT YEARS TALL, gurren could just move his arm and gogeta would be dead...... :Gohan ssj2Gohan is Supreme, Supreme is Gohan. I, am Supreme GohanGohan ssj2 14:01, July 18, 2011 (UTC)

"Gogeta is gonna get some pussy!" What!? Where were you when they handed out the brains? Seriously. That's not happening unless Chichi and Bulma decide to have their husbands teach them the fusion so the four of them can engage in some daily freaky fusion sex ritual. And I can't think of a reason why any of them would ever need or want to do this, nor why this is even relevant. Oh, speaking of irrelevant. This whole "only fists and ki" limit thing? Pointless. What makes you think that someone who can bend reality with a thought can't just use that same thought to make themselves physically strong enough to wipe out Gogeta with one punch or blast? Come on. Five seconds common sense here. 23:47, November 4, 2011 (UTC)

This whole "only fists and ki" limit thing? Pointless. What makes you think that someone who can bend reality with a thought can't just use that same thought to make themselves physically strong enough to wipe out Gogeta with one punch or blast? Come on. Five seconds common sense here.

The "only fists and ki" limit is not pointless someone who uses a thought to make themselves physically strong enough to defeat Gogeta still used some kind of mystical power or reality altering power. {SSJ 2} (talk) 02:48, December 14, 2011 (UTC)


I hate this light years tall crap. Ok... and gogeta with just instant transmission up to his face and big bang-kamehameha him into nothingless... it goes both ways bro. Gogeta for the win. DBZ for the win. They get pussy! No one wants a light years tall loser! your trying to argue this garb would beat a ssj4? LOL gtfo bro The opening alone right there dissproved your entire argument... Your argument, of course, being that only Dragon Ball characters get laid. Hell, the only one who's probably even getting consistantly laid is Vegeta (maybe Tien and Chiaotzu, but they're guys). Kamina and Simon travel around with a girl who might as well be naked. I mean, do I even need to be more clear with that? Go be a fanboy somewhere else, you're very annoying. When we even comply with your special rules (by the way, IT and Big Bang Kamehameha aren't phyiscal strength, dumbass), you make up new ones, which we, once again, beat you with. Also, go back to school and learn to spell and use proper sentance structure. It hurts my eyes to read your rants when half of them look like they're being written by a kid with Down syndrome. --DARK 20:56, July 18, 2011 (UTC) hey asshole. down syndrome jokes aren't funny. It's the internet; regardless of what you think is "bad" or "not funny", someone's going to say it. If it bothers you so much, just unplug your monitor and go outside for a change. I'm allowed to say whatever I want since that's one of the rights my country gives me. Is it a crime to pount out that someone with Down's generally has bad grammar and spelling? If anything, YOU are the one being offensive, as you (and the majority of people on the internet) consistantly type poorly while being intelligent enough to write and type properly, almost like you're mocking them. Complain all you want, but I'll make whatever kind of observations I want. And with that, I leave you with this. Also, that's not even related to what I just said. Great responce, man. --DARK 22:43, July 18, 2011 (UTC) HOW DARE YOU INSULT TENGAN TOPPEN GURREN LAGAN!!! That, is one of the greatest anime's of all time and that opening dosnen't even have Tengan Toppen Gurren Lagan in it. You haven't even seen the show! So don't go talking about how Gogeta would crush him. In the last episode Tengan Toppen Gurren Lagan throws galaxy's like frisbees. No joke. Watch the show, and then we'll talk.

In the same sentence you said "go back to school and learn to spell", you misspelled "sentence". That's a fail.


Response* bro. Nah, you fail. Gogeta for the win, DBZ is best. Thanks for trying though, maybe next time!


I just wrote a short story about a man named Craig he's so strong if he punches a planet it destroys the whole universe and he's as fast a light and can punch that fast to he can open up dimensional barriers withs his ass and if he wants to increases his power he turns into super sweet Craig and increases his power by 10000000x then becomes so power just winking destroys multiple dimensions and universes he is immune to bullets omnipotent beings gods ki blasts swords is one weakness is nothing okay now Gogeta isn't shit anymore Craig is strongest in fiction We're talking about official material not some sh*t you made yourself. :Gohan ssj2Gohan is Supreme, Supreme is Gohan. I, am Supreme GohanGohan ssj2 04:18, July 19, 2011 (UTC) Oh sorry mr i lick gohans nuts people can beat Gogeta you think there isn't one published comic book anime movie or something that's stronger then Gogeta just quit being such pussy fan boys.What are you talking about i never said Gogeta was the strongest i was only saying that your arguement about Craig is stupid SH*T.

Gohan ssj2Gohan is Supreme, Supreme is Gohan. I, am Supreme GohanGohan ssj2 13:06, July 19, 2011 (UTC)
He's someone with sense though. If you look up, you'll see he's arguing how inane their arguments and rules are. Do your research before you start flinging insults randomly. Though he is wrong with what he just said, since they never specified what constitutes a fictional character in their thing here. --DARK 04:57, July 19, 2011 (UTC) Also, for the record, "If you use no punctuation, I can't read the situation, as if I cared what you meant." Try to follow those lyrics in the future. --DARK 05:02, July 19, 2011 (UTC)


SS5 is best and better than Chuck Norris, he's too overated.

Super Saiyan 5 Gogeta

Nuff said Trunten 3900 23:13, July 19, 2011 (UTC)


I feel like there should be some sort of criteria for this "strongest character" thing.

You can add to this list, but I'm going to go out there and say that when this says "fiction", it should be a published work. Therefore ruling out "Gogeto" or "SSJ4 Vegito", or "SSJ5 Broly"

That's total crap(no offense intended); you could just say that nobody but Gogeta is fair and therefore will always win. There are always stronger characters than whoever used to be the strongest.

This is ALL fiction so there can't be a criteria just to make fan-boys happy(again, no offense intended).

Trunten 3900 23:34, July 20, 2011 (UTC)

Yee good point...I guess i just assumed people would be fair in the criteria.

You shouldn't be afraid of offending people when this guy's main arguments against you is that A) you're a nerd, B) you can't get laid, C) the character you say is better can't get laid, D) the series is stupid, E) you're stupid, F) your character you say is better is stupid, G) the character you say is better doesn't play by his set of ever-changing rules and criteria, H) you're wrong without actually giving a reason, I) your character is human so they automatically lose, despite any evidence you might have against the fact, J) you fail, K) you're a nerd (again), L) you shouldn't talk to him if you're going to disagree. I could go on, but my fingers are tired. --DARK 00:16, July 21, 2011 (UTC)

Hmm this is similar to another forum with a post that changes the criteria or doesn't follow it and flames everyone else with a legit argument. Vegito SSJ4The Legendary SSJ4 VegitoSSJ Future Gohan badass 00:29, July 21, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, it's basically the exact same thing, except it didn't get all fanboy'ey until the original poster from THAT forum got on here ranting again. --DARK 01:01, July 21, 2011 (UTC)

I believe that he is mainly because we never see his full power. Kazi22 01:05, July 21, 2011 (UTC) I think you might be thinking that I'm the same guy as the guy who said "you're a nerd" etc. I did make some points in Gogeta's favour, and I posted the criteria thing but I'm not the same guy. Although, a lot of you guys' points convinced me.Shakuran13 20:58, July 21, 2011 (UTC)


Kira [Light Yugami] Is the supposed most strongest. He can just watch the tv show, and write Goku and Vegetas name in it, then theyll die forever. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH KIRA LIVES FOREVER

Well, for one, he can't kill the majority of the Dragon Ball cast because most of them only have 1 name we know of. Goku's family could get killed, but Vegeta, Krillen, Android #18 (not even her name), etc. couldn't be touched. Then we just wait for L or Near to track him down and kill him if they haven't found him yet by detecting his ki. --DARK 03:10, July 21, 2011 (UTC)

I agree with DARK, and plus, as I've said before, the ability to kill isn't "strength". Nice try though. Shakuran13 20:58, July 21, 2011 (UTC)

Well I'm not sure that Goku would die because his real name is Kakorrot. Vegito SSJ4The Legendary SSJ4 VegitoSSJ Future Gohan badass 11:43, July 21, 2011 (UTC)

Just his family though, except maybe Chi-Chi (though I guess she'd take the Son surname when she married him). --DARK 14:45, July 21, 2011 (UTC)

Whoever said Kira can kill Goku, go watch DeathNote and Dragon Ball all over again and maybe then you will understand that Goku and Vegeta, who were the exact people you said would die, are Saiyans and not Humans! You idiot!

Trunten 3900

Gogeta will always inevitably lose!!!!!

It doesn't matter what your contest is; in strength that lightyear guy kicks his ass; in power I'm pretty sure even Galactus could take him on, and if not then Odin with full Infinity Power would crush him by dilating his eye(that's the easiest thing to do during your day, that's a fact); if it's down to reality warping, then Spectre, Tribunal would all dominate. Hell, even Darkseide could kill Gogeta.

Pretty much anybody immortal, omnipotent, or even multi-dimensionaly powerful could kill Gogeta.

And seriously, if Gogeta fought Lightyear(name?), it would take him 30min to get to his head anyway; though that's his biggest flaw isn't it, the fact that after a half hour, any one of the Gods could kill him no matter what.

Trunten 3900 19:56, July 21, 2011 (UTC)

The name of the character that's taller than the Milkey Way galaxy is the Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann. Watch the show, it has Kyle Hebert (Gohan) playing Kamina (he's cool). --DARK 20:37, July 21, 2011 (UTC)

His size doesn't matter. Let me share with you my logic: Master Roshi, power level: 139. Destroys Planets. Goku v Frieza as SSj, power level: 150,000,000. Over 1,000,000 stronger than Master Roshi, and can destroy planets with 1,000,000 less effort. Or he can use the same amount of effort as Master Roshi (MAX power Kamehameha), and destroy over 1 million planets at once. Now then, SSj 4 Gogeta, power level: A LOT. TOO MUCH EVEN. Supreme Kai, power level: about 1000 times stronger than Frieza = 150,000,000,000. That is 150 billion. He can destroy planets using 1 billion times less effort than Master Roshi, or he can use the same effort as MR and destroy over 1 billion planets. Now to Gogeta, power level: Enough to destroy Super Buu /w Gohan. Now multiply that to the level of SSj4, power level: over 30 times that of Supreme Kai. Hell maybe over 1000 times stronger. HE DESTROYS GALAXIES IF HE WANTS. He could port up ro Tengen Toppa's head and then: 100 x Big Bang Kamehameha. Result: one dead galaxy sized being. There is a reason they call it the Big Bang Kamehameha.

If i recall correctly Goku's base in GT is as strong as Kid Buu was in Z.

There are definitely people who can beat Gogeta. I just don't think Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann is one of them. Just saying. I agree though, stop bringing this old forum post back. BubblesNoShakuran13Goku 20SSJ4 1 01:49, August 15, 2011 (UTC)

Chill out, man. BubblesNoShakuran13Goku 20SSJ4 1 03:48, August 15, 2011 (UTC)


Okay everyone, you keep on saying that SSJ4's Big Bang Kamehameha is strong enough to kill Super Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann. However, please realize that Super Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann actually DID SURVIVE A HIT FROM A BIG BANG, and then ABSORBED IT.

Super Tengen Toppa Giga Drill Breaker is actually powerful enough to destroy an entire universe in less than 10 seconds if it collides with an attack of equal or greater power. Furthermore, let's count in some of the attacks from mechas FAR WEAKER than Super Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann.

Gurren Lagann - Regenerates, survives giant explosions. Can materialize drills from nothingness.

Arc Gurren Lagann - Destroyed thousands of mechas in less than a second by releasing spiral power. Punched an "indestructable" machine so hard that it got sent to the far ends of time and space.

Chouginga Gurren Lagann - Is capable of altering probability to reduce the chance of attacks hitting it to zero.

Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann - Can withstand the force of a big bang. Quite literally throws entire galaxies as attacks.

Oh, and one more thing. The thing is, Saiyans cannot survive in space. This is canon. How can someone kill something they can't even reach?

Finnaly, other real fans ot Gurren Lagann. Best Anime Ever.

Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann Is not stronger, he's just a million times taller and impossible to reach.

Final FlashKING-OF-DBRB2SmoshWhy AreYouStillReading This? 773KING-OF-DBRB2Final Flash 04:19, August 28, 2011 (UTC)

To above poster,dude please don't argue about a show you've never seen. Thats what I don't like about some people they start argueing about something they don't know sh*t about.

To the dude above, Maybe I saw it???

Final FlashKING-OF-DBRB2SmoshWhy AreYouStillReading This? 773KING-OF-DBRB2Final Flash 04:30, August 28, 2011 (UTC)

Oh yeah right, that would explain why you said "HE'S JUST TALLER"

Since you all CANNOT STOP POSTING, I guess this is alive again. The fact you used the word "maybe" proves you haven't seen it to begin with. Good game, sir. --DARK 06:57, August 28, 2011 (UTC)

ima tell a little story.

Once upon a time, there was a guy much stronger than ssj4 gogeta or Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann. The end.

there. now neither of them can possibly be the strongest character in all of fiction. you're welcome.

Gohan ssj2Gohan is Supreme, Supreme is Gohan. I, am Supreme GohanGohan ssj2 17:15, August 28, 2011 (UTC)

Maybe I saw it maybe I didn't, only I shall know the answer to that mistery. And yes he's not stronger than Gogeta. He's taller than a galaxy and impossible to reach. And still Gogeta is 4x faster and impossible to catch am I right? So lets assume this fight would be Impossible to even begin with.

No one cares if you want to pretend you watched Gurren Lagann; you didn't. Take the air of ignorance that follows all the posts you make and go off somewhere else. Try to contain it in more of your self-talking blogs, if you would. --DARK 18:12, August 28, 2011 (UTC)

Stop trying to make me look like a troll?? thanks!

Final FlashKING-OF-DBRB2SmoshWhy AreYouStillReading This? 773KING-OF-DBRB2Final Flash 18:14, August 28, 2011 (UTC)

Don't have to try. --DARK 18:27, August 28, 2011 (UTC)

Bye! --DARK 18:39, August 28, 2011 (UTC)

Final FlashKING-OF-DBRB2SmoshWhy AreYouStillReading This? 773KING-OF-DBRB2Final Flash 18:48, August 28, 2011 (UTC)

You all forgot Instant Transmission

To his head and BAM destroy him, the galaxy, the universe with his, attack. "Right Vegeta? Remember that fun planet? Vegeta? Vegeta? Vegeta? Vegeta? Vegeta? Vegeta?" - Nappa

Doesn't work, his energy is all of his body, so he would stay in the same place in relation to Lightyear tall guy.Trunten 3900 22:33, August 28, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah but he can still choose where to go. How else would goku be able to teleport behind Cell, instead of right above him or something?

Yeah, so I'ma just give the same response to all of you who like to underestimate Gurren Lagann now. Watch the show. --DARK 22:35, August 28, 2011 (UTC)

Hi There

It's me, the one who pointed out that Saiyans can't survive in space. Maybe you guys also forgot that Goku needs to be able to sense someone's ki in order to use instant transmission? GURREN LAGANN HAS NO KI. CASE CLOSED.

Lagann is piloted by humans, who should have ki. Argument is invalid. --DARK 01:42, August 30, 2011 (UTC)

At any rate, it should be a nice fight. BubblesNoShakuran13Goku 20SSJ4 1 01:46, August 30, 2011 (UTC)

Last comment, I promise. Many people are saying SSJ4 Gogeta is faster than Super TTGL. However, please remember the scale of the fight they're in. Their fists are flying the distance of MULTIPLE GALAXIES IN SECONDS. This means that its fist can travel millions of lightyears in seconds. Try getting faster than that.

Oh yeah, and TTGL isn't lightyears tall. It's 10 MILLION lightyears tall. And Super TTGL has TTGL stuffed inside its head.

I reaaaalllly wanna see this fight now. BubblesNoShakuran13Goku 20SSJ4 1 02:36, August 30, 2011 (UTC)

It is show severel times that Saiyans can survive in space. When Vegeta destroyed a planet, when goku went to the moon, and when Bardock challaged Frieza. Vegito SSJ4The Legendary SSJ4 VegitoSSJ Future Gohan badass 02:46, August 30, 2011 (UTC)

You forget, that's all filler and/or jokes. --DARK 11:10, August 30, 2011 (UTC)

Well even at that I'm pretty sure it still counts, because we haven't seen any Saiyans die in space due to lack of oxygen, etc. Nothings seems to contradict this besides comments made by Frieza. Vegito SSJ4The Legendary SSJ4 VegitoSSJ Future Gohan badass 13:14, August 30, 2011 (UTC)

So you're saying just because we haven't physically seen someone crushed with pressure in the depths of the ocean, it should be considered safe to free dive in? Unless it's confirmed, we can't count it. --DARK 13:28, August 30, 2011 (UTC)

What does getting crushed in the ocean have anything to do with Saiyans ability to survive in space. Anyway I'm sure Either Goku or Vegeta could survive in the very bottom of the ocean as they have both trained in 100x Earths Gravity and more. Vegito SSJ4The Legendary SSJ4 VegitoSSJ Future Gohan badass 13:54, August 30, 2011 (UTC)

...And you totally missed the point. What I'm saying is that you can't just say something without proof; that is speculation. We don't have video of someone being crushed to death by the pressure under the sea, but we still know what will happen; we did tests to confirm it. What you're doing right now is the equivalent of not believing it unless someone is sent down there for to test it themselves, the same way you don't believe Saiyans will die in space unless we see one do it. Regardless of what I think on the matter, it's never been confirmed, so you can't use speculation as an argument. --DARK 14:22, August 30, 2011 (UTC)

Well i count filler if there is nothing that contradics it aka plotholes. Now weither or not you count it is up to you however i believe that Saiyans can breath in space with the evidence that i have provided. Vegito SSJ4The Legendary SSJ4 VegitoSSJ Future Gohan badass 16:30, August 30, 2011 (UTC)

And Frieza's line from the manga blows that up, so yeah. And before you say anything, what's his purpose with lying about that? For one, it wouldn't only make Goku fight harder if he had a time limit, and he really had no idea Goku wouldn't know, regardless of him being raised on Earth. --DARK 17:06, August 30, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah and Monster Carrot being sent to the moon by Goku proves Frieza's statment to be false regardless of the fact that it was a joke or not it still happened. Vegito SSJ4The Legendary SSJ4 VegitoSSJ Future Gohan badass 18:26, August 30, 2011 (UTC)

It doesn't, since Carrot was a joke. That's the whole reason it can't be counted. Back then, things were done a lot to emulate Journey to the West and Japanese fables. Are w to assume Yamcha broke the 4th wall once and litteraly bounced off the manga bracket? No. It was done for the sake of a joke. --DARK 20:57, August 30, 2011 (UTC)

This show sounds pretty stupid if all they could think to do is make a guy too big to beat.

i have a couple of points here.

first of all, filler, movies, and jokes are STILL FICTION!!!!!!!!!!!!! second of all what about super tengen toppa gurren lagann? i've never seen the anime or movies, and i'm a huge fan of ssj4 Gogeta but from what i've read, tengen toppa gurren lagann could probably beat him. he's 10 million light years tall!!!!!! do you have any idea how huge that is? that's a hundred times the size of the galaxy!!!! if someone the size of the earth stepped on you, you wouldnt be able to see the end of they're foot!!!!!!!!!!!!!! a guy the size of the sun could do the same thing to the earth guy. and sun-guy wouldn't even be able to comprehend a guy the size of the galaxy! but tengen toppa gurren lagann is a hundred times THAT size!!!!!!!!!! now, have you ever heard of SUPER tengen toppa gurren lagann? (from what i've read) tengen toppa gurren laggan can FIT IN HIS MOUTH!!!!!!!

Watching shows helps you get an argument. I suggest you do it so you're not reduced to name calling. --DARK 11:10, August 30, 2011 (UTC)

Well Dragon Ball itself is fiction so jokes on you buddy. Vegito SSJ4The Legendary SSJ4 VegitoSSJ Future Gohan badass 00:37, August 31, 2011 (UTC)

who was that directed at?

The person that made the paragraph.

Tengon Toppa Gurren Lagann

Cough Cough, Tengon Toppa Gurren Lagann could crush solar systems and Simon can mess with probability, so even if Goku hit Simon (at the end of the Gurren Lagann series) Simon could say "Nope he never hit me, actually you just killed yourself" It is also implied Simon is basically at the strength of god (which ever one you think is fiction) that has control over everything if he wants to. But back to the robots last form, he could crush Gogetas solar system with his pinky, eradicating every known DBZ character :D, Cough Cough

Did you...did you really just bump this? With something people have stated hundreds of times before? --DARK 15:54, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

Um... There's Something To It...

There's fanon that puts in SSJ5, SSJ6... Hell, I've seen an SSJ1000000! That's one million if you're not keeping track.

In short answer, no. My heart's a broken stereo. Skipping beats like a broken metronome. 15:53, October 23, 2011 (UTC)


Vegito did fusion with the Potaras, so he's 3x more stronger + more time.

Where does it say that the Potara Earrings make him 3x more powerful? All the old kai said was that it was a more effective form of fusion. And I also agree that Vegito would win, though it would be close.Eagleswff 18:30, February 9, 2012 (UTC)

Teggen Toppa

OKay ppl lets stop bringin up Teggen Toppa Gurren Laggan . I love both series ,but unless Simon and team Dai-gurren knew before hand to enter the battle as Teggen Toppa , I think gogtea could just destroy gurren laggan . I mean unless there fighting another mech they better just be in teggen toppa from the start to beat Gogeta and many others

It's any character, so it doesn't matter about plot or anything. Also, stop bumping this thing. --DARK 02:11, November 2, 2011 (UTC)

This Must Be The End

Okay, no more bringing this up anymore, discussion is over. It's pretty much final, SSJ4 Gogeta is not the strongest, quit being stupid. We've already shown that

1. The Big Bang Kamehameha wouldn't do shit against Super TTGL. (The Big Bang Infinity Storm cuts through galaxies like they're made of air)

2. Super TTGL is over a billion times faster than SSJ4 Gogeta. (Being able to fly across the Earth in a second really isn't worth a shit when your opponent can cross the distance of 100 galaxies in a second)

3. SSJ4 Gogeta wouldn't even be able to breathe during the duration of their fight, much less be able to comprehend Super TTGL's size. If SSJ4 Gogeta tried to look at Super TTGL, all he would see is a giant mass of blue energy, he probably wouldn't even be able to make out its shape because it's THAT BIG.

4. Super TTGL controls probability. Yeah, take that.

5. Super TTGL can absorb and redirect energy (demonstrated in its base form, Gurren Lagann)

And yes, there are characters as strong or maybe even stronger than Super TTGL, it's just that Super TTGL is the easiest one for me to make a case on.

Case closed on November 3rd. Stop making posts.

To Drive the Point Home THIS is what SSJ4 Vegeta is capable of doing. If he can't lift a FUCKING BUILDING, HOW WILL HE DESTROY UNIVERSES?

he was lifting the building but goku was shouting "we need to do fusion" and being under a building is good cover for that. throwing it away would reveal their location

I'm pretty sure he was lifting that "fucking building" Dragonball 33852 Shakuran13 HATCHYACK Perish. Hatchiyack1 22:05, November 4, 2011 (UTC)

He obviously could have lifted the building or thrown it halfway across the galaxy if he wanted to but they were hiding from Shenron, lifting the building would have put them in clear sight...Latchley 16:20, December 3, 2011 (UTC)

Not in the ENTIRETY of fiction.

In the DC comics universe alone there are multiple characters that make SS4 Gogeta look like a house fly (namely SA Superman and Dr. Manahattan). Tokeupdude 13:37, November 8, 2011 (UTC)


shut up and stop posting here!!!

You cannot know with GT

Just to make a point, it doesn't make any sense that Vegeta can't lift that building. It is faulty GT logic. If we are talking about GT, it is hard to measure one's strength, especially physical strength.

vegeta was lifting the building. plus you dont know if db buildings are tougher than in the real world or if there was katchin in that building or whatever. nothing in gt is faulty if you just think about it.

If Vegeta can't do this then there is no hope.

If i had a pic of zoro lifting a building But i cannot use it. "I may be just a pothole in the road to you big guy, but it's going to be one hell of a deep pothole." - Tien 18:23, December 2, 2011 (UTC)

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He's not lifting a house, but he is cutting through a giant ship with one sword. --DARK 18:45, December 3, 2011 (UTC)

lolwut? That has nothing to do with what I was going to show.


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"I may be just a pothole in the road to you big guy, but it's going to be one hell of a deep pothole." - Tien 14:05, December 4, 2011 (UTC)

Well, he's cutting through a goddamn ship, so I'm pretty sure that supports your point. --DARK 16:37, December 4, 2011 (UTC)

Well, there are these books, they center around some beings who are crazy strong. The books are fiction of course, but God, Allah and Jahweh are really really strong.

I think these FICTIONAIRY characters are even stronger than Gogeta.

I know most of you have no idea who I might be talking about, but Eru Iluvatar from Tolkien's Lord of the Rings could destroy Gogeta. Eru from his thoughts created the Ainur's + Melkor (who later on became Morgroth) onto themselves they were akin to gods. He might not have directly influenced the stories but he could have thought away Sauron and the others. He also within stories of Tolkien's holds the Secret Fire which is the power of creation. It wouldn't be too hard to think that he could just think away Gogeta. This is assuming strongest = who would most likely win a fight, not strongest = physically strongest --Iruklor 01:34, December 14, 2011 (UTC)

This is about who is strongest (physically strongest) in fiction NOT who is most POWERFUL in fiction. {SSJ 2} (talk) 03:21, December 14, 2011 (UTC)

fiction means anything 11:02, January 14, 2012 (UTC)eh

Do you get out TOO much?

You need to be a better nerd! Gogeta isn't even close to being the most powerful character in all of fiction lol. In fact, I wouldn't even put him in the top 20 of most powerful fictional beings I can think of right off the top of my head, and I'm sure in reality he wouldn't even make top 100. 13:11, January 14, 2012 (UTC)

What is your top 20 list? Are there 20 characters who can destroy more than a galaxy? I am saying this because Cell is known to be capable of vaporizing the solar system. Have you ever even seen DBZ, or just rely on GT's plotholes?There is no escape! 15:35, January 14, 2012 (UTC)

OK your talking fiction, ill give you ALL a simple answer, GOD , theres unmesurable power.

FYI im not religious but it still ficitional (there are more copys of the bibles/scolls than there are manga trust me.

SOOOOOOOOOOOOO many people have tried to stop this argument with that.


Who is the most powerful out of this three, Supreme Extinguisher X, Spectere(the guy that Dark was talking about) or CHUCK NORRIS?? 10:25, February 21, 2012 (UTC)

OK just gonna trow this out but didn't one of the kais say that potara is 100 times stronger than fusion dance and with that in mind i guess only goku trained and oly because of uub *whom got fu**ed by gt cuzz he was n buu form as strong as a ssj3 goku* so what do u think the little training goku did and the 2 ssj 4 transformations or the 100x stronger potara earrings

I would say...

He is the strongest in the Dragon Ball Canon.

There is others stronger without everything fiction.

well not strongest in fiction maybe since there's lots of fictional omnipotent characters but in anime/manga perhaps (cant say havent seen/read all) would kinda assume atleast some would have an omnipotent being

of course he is


I'm not sure about Super Sayian 4 Gogeta being the strongest in ALL of fiction, as I am not that familiar with other anime, however, what I CAN say to make people think about their answer is that: weakest characters in Dragonball Z, meaning Raditz, Nappa, Vegeta (when he was still a child) would be able to destroy planets with ease. Later in the series, most Villans stopped destroying planets and their attacks would only blast away mountains and islands, ect. This may be because it would get too boring if everyone was destroying Earth without even moving a muscle, and the the Z fighters would have to go to Namek and get the Dragon Balls and wish the Earth back. This would get repeditive because every villan in Dragon Ball Z can destroy planets with ease, and if they just destroyed the Earth, the series would get boring. Instead of toning down their strengths, because as King Kai would say "(insert name of villan here) is a threat to the WHOLE universe!", they just made the villans not destroy planets. Anyway to sum up what I was trying to say: If the weakest villans could destroy and entire planet WITH ease, then imagine what Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta (who is possibly trillions and trillions, maybe even quadrillion, times stronger than the weakest Dragon ball Z characters) could do.

deffinetly galactus because he can infenitely incrase his size as well as collapse and recreate universes and endless amount of times so if anyone did somehow miraculaously injure him he could just grow until there the size of an atom or collapse the univrse on them kill ing everyone also dont talk about chuck norris here after all hes not fiction

There's a reason they're called Chuck Norris facts and not Chuck Norris fiction. Oh, and stop posting on this stupid, stupid topic. All of you. --DARK 22:35, April 7, 2012 (UTC)

simply put

well if one were to count hypothetical then SSJ4 vegito would be IN DRAGONBALL BUT NOT ALL FICTION. Ednoah

Didn't Broly destroy most of a galaxy and ss Goku beat him. And a super saiyan 2 would at least be equal in strength to SS Broly. Then a SS3 goku shud be able to destroy multiple Galaxies since in one movie ss1 goku defeated an enemy stronger than Broly(At the end of DBZ Raging Blast 2). A SS4 shud have the potential to wipe out at least half the Universe. And when normal/non ss goku and non ss vegeta used fusion to make Gogeta their strength was mind boggling. Since Janeba(final form) was easliy beating a SS3 Goku but a SS gogeta easily destroyed Janeba. So imagine what two SS4 fusing would be capable of. Gogeta would easliy destroy not a Universe but Multiverses. Unless you think that Broly(who destroyed most a galaxy) is stronger than ss3 goku whom is significantly weaker than SS4 Goku who is then mind bogglingly weaker than Gogeta you'd think otherwise. And a Saiyan can become infinitly stronger. The more a saiyan fights the stronger they become.

The Source

The strongest fictional bieng in existence is DC comics' The Source. It is an omnipotent sentient energy that imprisons anyone who tries to decipher it's meaning in the Source Wall. I am a huge fan of both Superman and DBZ (Vegeta is my favorite DBZ character and in my opinion the strongest S.S.4), but Superman Prime from DC One Million is the second strongest bieng in fiction, not quite understanding everything in the universe, but has no weaknesses and continuously learns new skills from other species and Dr.Manhattan from Watchmen can reshape matter and be in multiple places at once. S.S.4 Gogeta may very well be number four. So, in order:

  1. The Source
  2. Superman Prime
  3. Dr.Manhattan
  4. S.S.4 Gogeta
William slattery (talk) 21:26, August 14, 2012 (UTC)
I just want to reiterate here that Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann belongs at the top of this list, as piercing the past and future in an instant on a galactic scale is nothing that 2 3 or 4 can survive in my opinion. Oh, and they aren't even in their final form by a longshot when they do that. At the very least, Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann deserves a spot here. I saw that it was argued that a robot isn't a character, well I argue that the Gurren brigade piloting it are characters. Also, gtfo with that superman shit, Thanos with the infinity gauntlet would turn superman into soup before superman could pull any of those lame ass moves he has, just my opinion.

Final Word.

I don't think there is a definitive, concrete answer as to who is the strongest character in all sources of fiction, be it movies, books, cartoons, etc. Gogeta as a Super Saiyan 4 is most likely ONE of the strongest characters out of MOST anime characters/fiction based characters, but perhaps not THE strongest. I believe unless there is some "what if" scenario made through a mutual agreement made by the creators and their respective companies/franchises of the some of the most powerful fiction-based characters in existence (DC, Marvel, Capcom, Akira Toriyama, FUNimation, etc.), then maybe there would be some validity to this topic/debate/controversy. Until then, NO ONE in this forum including myself as a guest can TRULY confirm/decide who is the best/strongest, whether it's physically/mentally/spiritually, etc. Everything else is just speculation or opinionated. Keep in mind that an opinion is just like an a$$hole (literally), because everyone has one. I myself don't like to argue, I'd rather state the facts and keep it moving. I think it's best to end this topic here, before it gets out of hand...again.

The strongest is obviously Stan Lee. The god of Marvel and DC!

That would be Jack Kirby; the guy who created everything Stan Lee took credit for. He also made the Fourth World for DC. --DARK 21:28, January 16, 2013 (UTC)


Ideon mecha from Space Runaway Ideon is by far the most insane thing ever created. Its not really a character (its a piloted robot) but anyway, i just mention it because, basically, Ideon can wipe out everything. The Ideon sword can cut planets, and possibly anything beyond its length (in this case, its length is limitless, it could destroy whatever in its path or until it is sucked down by a black hole)