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WHen Bills is fighting Goku in god form he is only using 70% of his power to fight him.When Goku was fighting Omega it is clear that Omega could have killed him in while he was Ssj4 but thought he could never be defeted then dieing from a Galaxy Spirit Bomb. You know Shenrons full power and capabilities but you dont know Lord Bills.

Even Stevens =

Since Goku is not a SSJ 4 in the bills storyline, and at SSJ 3, Bills can easily dispose off Goku like a feather then i guess he can handle him pretty well as a SSJ 4 too ... Omega could easily overpower SSJ 4 Goku so i guess they should be pretty even...


^^ No. Bills comes in dbz. Goku was fighting Omega as SSJ4 at the end of GT which is much much different... he is too powerful to be compared to Z.  Even SSJ Goku from GT is stronger than what-if SSJ4 Goku from Z.  Omega wins this easily... Maderfakers (talk) 15:40, February 5, 2013 (UTC)


We assume Bills' power to be far greater, anyone who can outshine SSJ 3 Goku with just a finger is no joke, i do believe Goku becomes stronger in gt but Bills and Omega are not too far away in power difference id still think it would be close to a draw...

Bills easily

Bills suposedly beat Goku ssj 3 with one finger.I'm prety sure if Goku was to face Omega in ssj 3 it would take more than a finger push to beat him.

Sadly,that is how Bills defeats son goku

GT>>>>>Z

You guys are talking trash... just think about it a second please. You can't compare GT villains to Z villains. Although i hate GT, it is obviously how much stronger everyone is in it... Moreover, they have to defeat Bills somehow in this movie. I don't know who it is going to be or how, but they are going to beat him, which means they have the power. Even if it is SSJ3 Gogeta.

Now, base Goku in gt is equal to SSJ3 Goku in buu saga. If we consider multiplier for SSJ4 to be 500x, (which is SSJ times 10, widely considered and possible), that means SSJ4 Goku is 500 times stronger than SSJ3 Z Goku, and he is still far weaker than Omega shenron. Now, you see how strong Omega really is...

And, as for Bills stopping goku's attack with one finger..  Dude, even Ultimate Gohan could do that. Not to mention Buuhan.

Again, the pure fact that Bills comes in DBZ means he can't be stronger than the final villain in GT.

But, we will see it all in the movie Maderfakers (talk) 22:53, February 6, 2013 (UTC)

^You are 100% right. About everyting. Oko500 (talk) 01:03, February 7, 2013 (UTC)

Wrong, no Ssj God in GT. Ssj God could possibly be over Ssj4 Goku despite Base Goku Gt> Ssj3 Goku Dbz. Zendarmanitan 02:53, February 25, 2013 (UTC)

Well, since the movie has been released, a lot of that is severely flawed. Bills is never beaten, and certainly not by the likes of SSJ3 Gogeta. They do not have the power. Also, where did you get the fact that Ultimate Gohan could 1-shot Goku? Or Buuhan? Thatanonymousguy (talk) 15:05, April 26, 2014 (UTC)

Let's do this the math way, shall we? Let's just assume that Bills used a lot of force when attacking SSJ3 Goku, despite the fact that it doesn't seem that he was attacking seriously. Also, we're going to assume that Vegito more or less equals Gogeta. Besides, I've seen many people argue Vegito is stronger, but I've never seen anyone argue that Gogeta is stronger. Next, we read up the fact that Vegito as a SSJ is more or less equal to an SSJ4, stated during the Anime Comics for DBGT: A Hero's Legacy. Furthermore:

SSJ2 - 2x boost.

SSJ3 - 4x boost.

SSJ4 - 10x boost.

Thereforer, a SSJ4 Vegito more or less equals 80x a normal SSJ4, or about 800x an SSJ3. Again, we're assuming Vegito == Gogeta. Next, according to Bill's supression, he was utilizing a little over 0.006% of his power while fighting SSJ3 Goku (This stat is a little hazy). But just to be nice, we'll bump it up to 1 percent, making him able to, at full strength, eliminate SSJ4 Gogeta with 800/100 = 8 hits. Since SSJ4 Gogeta is way stronger than Omega Shenron, Bills could easily eliminate him. Anyone who also argues that GT is after a lot more training and things, you've still got the fact that I decreased Bills' power level by about 150x because I pushed 0.006% to 1 percent. GT may be stronger, but not strong enough that every non-GT Character is 150x stronger than Z characters. If you think that they are 150x stronger, then I still have the fact that SSJ4 Gogeta is stronger than Omega Shenron, which adds even more "Buffer space". If you think that Bills, who can defeat Gogeta with 0.05 hits disregarding that percentage change earlier, really cannot because of immense training, I beg you to change your belief that roughly 200x more power can be achieved by 20 years of training. In fact, in the non-english dub version, it's only 15 years of training. Basically, if you can 10x your power in 1 year, then that'd be ridiculous and Majin Buu and the Androids would have been one-shot by any of the Z-Fighters.

Thank you and good night. (if you read this far lol)

Thatanonymousguy (talk) 15:03, April 26, 2014 (UTC)

Omega!

They made a "villain" (if he really is one) that's supposedly stronger than Super Vegetto. Whether he is stronger than SSJ2/3 Vegetto is another story, but we'll leave it for speculation. Now in GT, SSJ3 Goku is stronger than Super Vegetto and still couldn't dent Baby Vegeta (first form). Goku also stated Baby Vegeta was the strongest power level he has ever felt. This means:

Baby Vegeta>initial GT SSJ3 Goku>Super Vegetto.

Now we don't know HOW much stronger Bills is than Super Vegetto. In my opinion, Super Vegetto could blink SSJ3 Goku out of existence, let alone stop him with one finger. If Baby Vegeta>Super Vegetto, that gives us a measuring stick of how close they are in power. Now we're talking about Omega...who is>>>>>Baby Vegeta/Super Vegetto. If they don't tell us how strong Bills really is, this is all speculation. Judging from what I've seen, however, he wouldn't make it past the mid tier of GT. Omega wins. SuperGogeta91 (talk) 01:51, February 7, 2013 (UTC)

Bills is from Z.

That's all the information you need.

Omega.

you also need to know it contradicts GT. That Goku Ssj God could possibly be over Ssj4 Goku even with the base>Ssj3 Goku Dbz. Zendarmanitan 02:51, February 25, 2013 (UTC)

...

I honestly think we should all stop all debate about Bills until the movie has actually been released...  Janemba4eva (talk) 05:13, February 9, 2013 (UTC)

Assumptions are very fun to make. Zen's profile Zen's talk page 02:48, February 26, 2013 (UTC)

ITS A DRAW

Well we have to consider the fact that bills defeated goku in super saiyan 3 without breaking a sweat.

And its going to take new new level higher than super saiyan 3 to stop him.

im guessing god sayian is going to be the same as super saiyan 4, and then bills still puts up a fight to him in that mode. i think they are about equal.


^You're missing the fact that Base Goku GT> SSJ3 Goku Z. This means SSJ3 Goku GT>SSJG Goku Z. SSJ4 Goku is overkill, let alone Omega Shenron. Putting Z villains against GT villains is like putting Dragon Ball villains against Z villains. It's pointless. SuperGogeta91 (talk) 20:22, February 24, 2013 (UTC)

What proof do you have that base Goku in GT > SSJ3 Goku in Z? This just seems like an assumption

^The very fact that Goku, in his base form, shamed Rildo, and Goku stated Rildo>Majin Buu (doesn't matter which Buu he spoke about, because every incarnation of Buu is as strong/stronger than SSJ3). SuperGogeta91 (talk) 18:56, March 22, 2013 (UTC)

Ssj God

Imo Ssj God> Ssj4. Bills wins. Zendarmanitan 22:59, February 24, 2013 (UTC)

~

Let's say that Buu saga Goku's base power level is 1. As a Super Saiyan, his power is multiplied by 50 (50). As a Super Saiyan 2, the past super saiyan doubles, and now his power level is 100. Super Saiyan 3 Goku should be 400, and this power level is above Kid Buu (as stated by himself). An "what-if" Super Saiyan 4 Goku in Buu saga should be about 4000.


However, Goku trained for 15 years and Uub for 5 years. So base GT Goku is above 400. Super Saiyan GT Goku is above 2000. Super Saiyan 3 Goku is 160,000. Super Saiyan 4 Goku is 1,600,000. But even with this whole power, Goku couldn't hurt Omega Shenron at all. Then it's obvious that Omega could crush Bills.


You guys should know that you can't compare villains of Z and GT. It's like comparing Yajirobe to Frieza.

Sandubadear (talk) 01:27, February 25, 2013 (UTC)

No cause This movie totally contradicts GT in every way. Bills could possibly be stronger than Omega. Using your formula, lets say Ssj God is a million (thats a little overboard I know). Ssj God would be 400,000,000. 

[[user:Zendarmanitan|Zen's profile Zen's talk page 03:31, February 25, 2013 (UTC)]]


So the movie contradicts GT, but you're still using GT in a debate? If this movie contradict GT and is canon than consider GT an alternate universe. SSJ4 Goku still stomps. And since Goku (Z) never trained with Uub in the RoSaT (beginning of GT) he is only as strong as he is at the end of the world tournament. You don't know how strong SSJG is. It is only implied to be stronger than Super Vegetto (which is so stupid, I blame Toriyama being away from DBZ far too long for this). Omega Shenron is already stronger than SSJ3 Vegetto from Z, which I doubt Bills is stronger than. Omega destroys. SuperGogeta91 (talk) 02:54, February 25, 2013 (UTC)

This is an assumption of course we don't know how strong Ssjg is. It is possible for Bills to stll be above Omega Shenron. Zen's profile Zen's talk page 03:31, February 25, 2013 (UTC)


And it's possible Ledgic could have another form that would be above SSJ4 Gogeta, but again, it's highly unlikely. Based on everything we've seen SO FAR, it's safe to assume Omega>>>Bills. You can believe Bills is stronger than SSJ3 Vegetto or that Goku now has a form surpassing of one of the strongest fusions we've seen. Like you said, it's your opinion. Just don't try to pass it off as fact. SuperGogeta91 (talk) 03:35, February 25, 2013 (UTC)

I'm not tryign to say it's a fact. Though Omega would most likely win, there is a small chance that Bills is overpowered in this movie. For all we know, Goku could be omnipotence. It is unlikely for Bills to win but there is still a chance. It's not a fact that he doesn't have a chance at all either. Zen's profile Zen's talk page 02:48, February 26, 2013 (UTC)

Just to clarify

Because a Super Saiyan 4 is ten times stronger than a super saiyan 3, there's a good chance Goku would be near Bill's level of strength, but not over. If Bills can hold back a SSJ3 with one finger, and beat him with that finger, SSJ4 won't be much different.

GOKU (GT) IS NOT THE SAME AS GOKU SSJ3 (Z)

Goku from GT is the same as Goku (Z) as a Super Saiyan 2, but because Goku's power was cut in half upon becoming a child, there's a good chance the ADULT FORM of GT Goku could be as strong as a SSJ3.

It's not that hard for a saiyan to become godly powerful.

Zeronis (talk) 18:58, February 27, 2013 (UTC)


His power was not cut in half when transformed into a kid. He only had some trouble using his SS3 power. And yes, GT Goku is above Z SS3, because is seen fighting with Uub in his base, and Uub has the same power of Kid Buu (obviously).

Sandubadear (talk) 19:12, February 27, 2013 (UTC)

Bills vs broly

Who would win this epic battle? i thing the winner will be broly cause he is the legendary ss.besides if broly transforms inti ss4 he will be invincible.

Bills stares at him and no one remembers who Broly is anymore. SuperGogeta91 (talk) 05:03, April 2, 2013 (UTC)

Okay. What I think A LOT of people have failed to understand is that the goku from this movie is likely to have been the strongest we've ever seen him (Besides right at the begining of GT, before being wished into a little kid again). Yes, maybe the goku from GT was a lot stronger than he was when fighting buu but people fail to understand that this movie takes place TEN YEARS after the kid buu saga. I think this might even have been closer to GT time than to where DBZ had left off so in this movie, goku was much, much stronger than he was when he faced buu. Also, I don't think goku from GT was much stronger than in Z if at all because he even said so himself that his body was far less resilient. He was just too weak to hold onto the ssj 3 form. For this reason, I think that Goku is the strongest we've seen him in this new movie. Now this is where I think things get really interesting. It was hard enough to decide whether Super Vegito was stronger than SSJ4 Goku or vice versa so if you consider the likely possibility that this goku is the strongest we've seen of him, if he were to have turned SSJ4, he would have been stronger than both SuperVegito and GT SSJ4 Goku. Given this, you can have an easier time seeing where bills stands in the GT universe. If Bills was able to completely obliterate SSJ3 Goku here, Imagine what he would have done to the SSJ3 Goku that had fought Baby. In GT, Goku was able to land punches on Baby (very insignificant punches, but punches nevertheless). In the movie, SSJ3 Goku wasn't able to land a single hit on bills. Now how this Goku would have faired against Baby is unknown but given the possibility that he was much stronger than GT Goku, I definitely think he would have done a much better job against him. So if Bills was able to toss the SSJ3 Goku around like a rag doll, what he would have done to GT Goku is just baffling. Baby was not able to do to GT SSJ3 Goku what Bills was able to do to SSJ 3 Goku from the movie - he actually needed to fight whereas Bills just did one light chop.  So given the difference in strength between the two Gokus and the amount of effort put by the two villains to eliminate each Goku, you could tell who is stronger between Bills and Baby Vegeta. But in order to do this, we must also incorporate Super Vegito.

Now, like I said before, it was very hard to tell who was stronger between Super Vegito and SSJ4 Goku. So whoever is stonger, cannot be stronger by a great deal - the difference is probably very small. It was said that Bills was around 4x stronger than SuperVegito. According to the Official DragonBall Encycolpedia, a Super Saiyan 2 is 2x stronger than a Super Saiyan. Given this, Bills would be twice as strong as a SSJ2 Vegito, who is probably much, much stronger than SSJ4 Goku. Bills stands literally in between SSJ2 & SSJ3 Vegito (SSJ3 = SSJ2 x4). This just shows how powerful Bills really is. Again, if we were to considere the likely possibility that the Goku from the movie was the strongest we've seen him, we would also have to considere the idea that if he were to have turned SSJ4, he would have been stronger than both GT SSJ4 Goku and Super Vegito. However, I highly doubt he was near the level of where SSJ2 Vegito stood and even if he was he would still have been no match for Bills. Anyways (I'm diverging from my orginal point but I just wanted to stress the powers of each character as much as possible), 'Battle Of The Gods' SSJ4 Goku > GT SSJ4 Goku.

GT SSJ4 Goku was tossed around like a rag doll by Omega Shenron - he was absolutely no match for him. NONE WHATSOEVER! Only an SSJ4 Gogeta was stronger than he was. I highly doubt Omega shenron was only 2x as powerful as a SSJ2 Vegito. He stood somewhere in between SSJ4 Goku and SSJ4 Gogeta. Before Bills came along, he was the strongest character with no questions. Now that bills is here, questions have been raised but the answer isn't hard to find. 


My Answer: OMEGA SHENRON

Bills is incredibly powerful. I believe he could have easily disposed of SSJ4 Goku. He was probably roughly around 4x as powerful as him as well as Super Vegito. Given this, I believe he would have easily been one of the strongest characters in GT. He would have disposed of Baby and Super 17 but Omega Shenron would have been too much for him. Omega Shenron was able to survive SSJ4 Gogeta's most powerful move - Big Bang Kamehameha. A finisher from a character that I believe is stronger than an SSJ3 Vegito. It goes Bills > SSJ3 Vegito > SSJ4 Gogeta. If Omega shenron was able to make it out of his finisher in one piece, I believe that Omega Shenron's power exceeds that of Bills'. 


Again, I just want to stress that this is my OPINION. I am not saying this is fact but I do think it is a very likely and considerable possibility. If you do not agree with this post, please respectfully tell me why and give me your opinion as I would for you. Thank you for taking the time to read this. I hope it was helpful :)

Omega Shenron > Bills

Okay. What I think A LOT of people have failed to understand is that the goku from this movie is likely to have been the strongest we've ever seen him (Besides right at the begining of GT, before being wished into a little kid again). Yes, maybe the goku from GT was a lot stronger than he was when fighting buu but people fail to understand that this movie takes place TEN YEARS after the kid buu saga. I think this might even have been closer to GT time than to where DBZ had left off so in this movie, goku was much, much stronger than he was when he faced buu. Also, I don't think goku from GT was much stronger than in Z if at all because he even said so himself that his body was far less resilient. He was just too weak to hold onto the ssj 3 form. For this reason, I think that Goku is the strongest we've seen him in this new movie. Now this is where I think things get really interesting. It was hard enough to decide whether Super Vegito was stronger than SSJ4 Goku or vice versa so if you consider the likely possibility that this goku is the strongest we've seen of him, if he were to have turned SSJ4, he would have been stronger than both SuperVegito and GT SSJ4 Goku. Given this, you can have an easier time seeing where bills stands in the GT universe. If Bills was able to completely obliterate SSJ3 Goku here, Imagine what he would have done to the SSJ3 Goku that had fought Baby. In GT, Goku was able to land punches on Baby (very insignificant punches, but punches nevertheless). In the movie, SSJ3 Goku wasn't able to land a single hit on bills. Now how this Goku would have faired against Baby is unknown but given the possibility that he was much stronger than GT Goku, I definitely think he would have done a much better job against him. So if Bills was able to toss the SSJ3 Goku around like a rag doll, what he would have done to GT Goku is just baffling. Baby was not able to do to GT SSJ3 Goku what Bills was able to do to SSJ 3 Goku from the movie - he actually needed to fight whereas Bills just did one light chop.  So given the difference in strength between the two Gokus and the amount of effort put by the two villains to eliminate each Goku, you could tell who is stronger between Bills and Baby Vegeta. But in order to do this, we must also incorporate Super Vegito.

Now, like I said before, it was very hard to tell who was stronger between Super Vegito and SSJ4 Goku. So whoever is stonger, cannot be stronger by a great deal - the difference is probably very small. It was said that Bills was around 4x stronger than SuperVegito. According to the Official DragonBall Encycolpedia, a Super Saiyan 2 is 2x stronger than a Super Saiyan. Given this, Bills would be twice as strong as a SSJ2 Vegito, who is probably much, much stronger than SSJ4 Goku. Bills stands literally in between SSJ2 & SSJ3 Vegito (SSJ3 = SSJ2 x4). This just shows how powerful Bills really is. Again, if we were to considere the likely possibility that the Goku from the movie was the strongest we've seen him, we would also have to considere the idea that if he were to have turned SSJ4, he would have been stronger than both GT SSJ4 Goku and Super Vegito. However, I highly doubt he was near the level of where SSJ2 Vegito stood and even if he was he would still have been no match for Bills. Anyways (I'm diverging from my orginal point but I just wanted to stress the powers of each character as much as possible), 'Battle Of The Gods' SSJ4 Goku > GT SSJ4 Goku.

GT SSJ4 Goku was tossed around like a rag doll by Omega Shenron - he was absolutely no match for him. NONE WHATSOEVER! Only an SSJ4 Gogeta was stronger than he was. I highly doubt Omega shenron was only 2x as powerful as a SSJ2 Vegito. He stood somewhere in between SSJ4 Goku and SSJ4 Gogeta. Before Bills came along, he was the strongest character with no questions. Now that bills is here, questions have been raised but the answer isn't hard to find. 



My Answer: OMEGA SHENRON

Bills is incredibly powerful. I believe he could have easily disposed of SSJ4 Goku. He was probably roughly around 4x as powerful as him as well as Super Vegito. Given this, I believe he would have easily been one of the strongest characters in GT. He would have disposed of Baby and Super 17 but Omega Shenron would have been too much for him. Omega Shenron was able to survive SSJ4 Gogeta's most powerful move - Big Bang Kamehameha. A finisher from a character that I believe is stronger than an SSJ3 Vegito. It goes Bills > SSJ3 Vegito > SSJ4 Gogeta. If Omega shenron was able to make it out of his finisher in one piece, I believe that Omega Shenron's power exceeds that of Bills'. 



Again, I just want to stress that this is my OPINION. I am not saying this is fact but I do think it is a very likely and considerable possibility. If you do not agree with this post, please respectfully tell me why and give me your opinion as I would for you. Thank you for taking the time to read this. I hope it was helpful :)


I know it's your opinion, but I believe that some opinions can be wrong. Your first mistake was saying DBZ Goku is stronger than GT Goku. Everything in GT suggests that GT Base Goku>SSJ3 Z Goku. The very fact that he fought Rildo, who was stated to be stronger than Majin Buu, in his base is proof. Goku saying Baby Vegeta is the strongest Ki he's ever felt is proof. Old Kai stating SSJ4 Goku is the strongest fighter he's seen (and please don't say he didn't see Super Vegetto) is proof. Now you want to try and pass off DBZ Goku> GT Goku? Because of the little fact that he couldn't maintain SSJ3 longer (due to his body not being USED to it)? Because he couldn't use IT for the same reason? You basically want to ignore everything GT states and stick with DBZ Goku>GT Goku, because you feel that's right? Even if Bills is stronger than Super Vegetto, which in itself is VERY hard to believe, you still have Baby Vegeta who was stronger than Super Vegetto. SSJ4 Goku was much stronger. Omega Shenron who is leagues above both. What exactly gives Bills anything over Omega Shenron, or Baby Vegeta for that matter? In my opinion (which is actually supported), Super Baby Vegeta destroys Bills and Whis. Omega is overkill. Hope I didn't come off mean, but I think that some of you don't put in the effort to research what was actually stated and shown. Either that or you want said character to be stronger than said other character. SuperGogeta91 (talk) 04:09, April 4, 2013 (UTC)

No, you didn't come off as mean at all. I can understand when you say I was ignoring the statements made in GT showing that GT base Goku > Z SSJ3 Goku. But like i said, I wasn't comparing the GT goku to the one from the BUU saga. The goku in this new movie is 10 years older than the one that fights buu. So he is also much stronger than when he fouht buu. Also, when goku was fighting rildo and turned SSJ, rildo also said "Your power has increased 100 fold". This just goes against the measuring of power which is SSJ = Base x50. The english dubs are incredibly inacurrate and it's not something you should take seriously. However, I cannot discredit you because I can't find the japanese dub for the show anywhere. You may be right. Maybe Base GT goku > Buu Saga SSJ 3 Goku. But I highly doubt that the power difference is that significant when compared to the goku from the movie. I can't take the english dubbing of GT seriously because it's incredibly innacurate. 


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXA8AGhYnzk (0:50) is where rildo says "100 fold" 


^Well yes, Base GT Goku>SSJ3 Goku Buu Saga is pretty obvious. Even if you don't take into account the battle with Rildo being accurate, there are other points proving it (him fighting Freeza and Cell in his Base). In my opinion, I believe that GT Goku is still stronger than even End of Z Goku, which would be the one we see fighting young Uub at the Budokai. Reason is we still see him training in GT with Uub in the RoSaT, which would only mean he got stronger. Becoming a kid again did nothing to his power. Nothing suggests this; it is only accepted by some, because Goku's battles weren't as impressive as his adult self in DBZ. However, if you listen to what he says to Freeza and Cell (FUNimation dub), he says, after Freeza calls him cute (due to his size), "my size has nothing to do with it, because now I'm stronger than ever!" Is GT Base Goku stronger than SSJ3 BOG Goku? Probably not, but he's damn close since BOG only takes place around five years after Buu's death. As for the Rildo, Super Saiyan, statement, I think it was either a figure of speech, or a small mistake by FUNimation (they probably thought Goku was SSJ2 on accident). SuperGogeta91 (talk) 03:58, April 8, 2013 (UTC)

It's pretty clear, isn't it?

Bills can breakdance, but Omega can't. Bills win. :P

Nah, more seriously, I side with Omega instead of the Rabbit, despite me not being a overly huge fan of GT. Kooala Cupcake. - Leave me a message! 13:33, April 8, 2013 (UTC)


God, I love this place

I haven't been here in almost a year, and i forgot how great it is to speak with people who care about the same things I do!

That said, half of you are retarded and I'll tell you why. 

  1. The best reason to hate GT is the exact reason you should hate this new movie, and therefore not just go with DBZ or DBGT. I think it's pretty obvious theres a bit of an anti-GT bias around here, so i think it's pertinent I point out a common flaw in these two incarnations of the series. The best part about dragonball was always the kickassery of Goku, training to become stronger, and then fighting the bad guys with his self-made-mantasticness. The first three super saiyan forms let him cheat a little, but ssj4 was just bullshit. Anyone who's achieved ssj1 can get the power of ssj4 under the right set of circumstances? poppycock. The power gained there is nothing to be proud of. But then, what's different about ssj god? it's the same damn thing, just different circumstances. In conclusion, both the stories are pretty shit.
  2. Now that that's done, I can give you the plain, obvious truth; the strongest guy in GT has to be stronger than Bills. Just look at the advancement of power: between Z and GT, goku got much much much stronger. Goku compared the power of Rilldo, one of the weakest main enemies in GT, to that of Buu. We all know that. However, i honestly dont think it matters which Buu he was talking about, because the increase in power that follows dwarfs all of that. The ssj4 form made Goku unimaginably strong, and then it did the same to Vegeta. Then, those two powers were fused together in the same way Goten and Trunks went from barely being able to fight 18 to going toe-to-toe with super buu. As has been stated countless times before, we'll never be able to know how strong that made them. What we do know is that it put him roughly in the same league with omega shenron. Now, Omega shenron and ssj4 Gogeta's power being at the very least comparable, doesn't it seem ridiculous to Bills on par with (roughly one massive powerup above ssj3) Omega Shenron (roughly two massive powerups, each one bigger than the last, above ssj3)?


Ahhh. That should last me another couple months. Dont want to get addicted to fangirl arguments like last time. Turrah!

No way if bills was stronger then why didnt goku turn into a super saiyan god when he was facing omega shenron.

And anyhow in GT the power levels in gt are way out of dragonball z power levels league. So omega shenron would kick bills ass

Bills wins

I'll make you understand one thing. Omega Shenron isn't a proper god like Bills is. God > Mortal. Now your calculations for stuff like GT Goku is accurate I agree with that but I have a slight problem. GT Goku is stronger then SSJ3 Goku from Z but this is five years of training from DBZ. So he would be stronger then he would be in DBZ. Also flicking SSJ3 Goku in the face is insane. Not to mention Bills never shown his true power. Omega Shenron did. Bills is also 4x more powerful then SSJ Vegito. That's in between SSJ2 Vegito and SSJ3 Vegito. Wasn't SSJ4 stated to be equal to SSJ Vegito? Also Bills can galaxies and Omega Shenron wasn't shown to be able to. Bills wins by default.Teengohanrocks (talk) 15:46, September 26, 2013 (UTC)

BILLS CAN GALAXIES

BILLS CAN GALAXIES OMG BILLS CAN GALAXIES Super Saiyan God Goku clearKamehamehaLFD Say something already! SS4 Goku 16:31, September 26, 2013 (UTC)


We Can't Really Tell

Lets just settle this with some facts, ok?

According to the Dragon Ball GT Perfect Files, Super Vegito is about the strength of SSJ4 Goku during DBGT. Bills has been stated to be the strongest charcter in DBZ, only eclipsed by Whis. Before the events of Battle of Gods, Vegito held that place. This means that Bills surpasses his strength, which in turn means he is tougher than SSJ4 Goku during DBGT. If Bills could defeat SSJ4 Goku, then it is safe to assume that he could possibly be on par with Omega Shenron, who can also easily beat SSJ4 Goku. 

But here is the problem with this arguement: we don't know how much stronger than Vegito Bills is. If we don't know that, we can't accurately gauge his power to Omega Shenron's power. Bills could be 4x stornger than Vegito (as many people who have argued about this subject like to assume). And even if we went with that, who knows how much stronger Omega Shenron is than SSJ4 Goku. Unless we know any of those things, we can't logically decide a winner. We can only assume at this point who we would WANT to win.

And that is just the facts....

Evolve 20 (talk) 18:18, September 26, 2013 (UTC)

Evolve is right.

Wit this proof, Bills obviously CANNOT galaxies. Super Saiyan God Goku clearKamehamehaLFD Say something already! SS4 Goku 00:38, September 27, 2013 (UTC)

Omega Shenron is a GT character and most of you guys say GT is non-canon, so do these debates even exist??? I don't know it's just nonsense, so why are we talking nonsense... nothing else better to do? hardcore DBZ fantards need to get laid more often. and none of this extra nonsense would exist.............................. Holy shit!

Bills

Take bills god attack it can destroy galaxies that is enough

Just sayin....

Just wanted to say that canonically bills would be weaker. If im incorrect in this please disregard this comment but didnt goku state that that baby vegeta or just baby had the highest power level he had ever felt.


This takes place after the storyline of dbz battle of the gods if you count gt as canon and follow the plotline of dragoball while including the movie. This would mean that goku is acknowledging baby as being stronger than bills which may seem ridiculous to some but as every dbz fan knows



POWER LEVELS ARE BULLSHIT

Well it really sucks that we didn't see Bills use his full power. But I do know that he wasn't trying to kill Goku. He just wanted to fight him because he defeated Frieza. Had he would've used his full power... he would've killed Goku and he would've also destroyed the earth. Goku also went out of SSJG to just fight him as regular ssj because he was not satisfied with the SSJG and he was still losing the battle. But I do think that Bills vs Omega Shenron would be a good match but.... you never know since Bills is the god of destruction and he didn't use his full power and Omega Shenron could beat down ssj4 Goku without a problem and can easily destroy a planet too.

My opinions for Bills and Omega Shenron

In my honest opinion Its Omega Shenron,

Heres why

For many years Dragon ball fans have forgotten why the series was called Dragon ball, and why I wasnt called The Saiyans, or the Limit Breakers!, the Dragon offered the Z warriors so much oppurtunity monthly,they we so dependent on there wish, that they have always had a hard time accepting death,by only few exceptions of letting some people go.

On my opinion the Dragon being the final battle of Dragon Ball(Even If you dont count GT being canon,which gets me really angry,you only say that because Its not good.) was a brilliant idea, It made complete sense,and It wasnt out of place like the Buu,Cell saga, It fits the series perfectly.

If the final god of the Dragon ball Gods saga was a dragon, then I would accept that Bills Is stronger than Omega Shenron.

Omega Shenron has more abilitys than Bills by having the other 6 evil dragon balls within him,and has regeneration.

He can use an ability that can destroy the entire universe.

If Bills can remove all the dragon balls from Shenron, then Bills wins.

Bills is Just another Dragon ball villain to me, nothing special like Omega Shenron.

And to the guy who said that Super Vegito Is stronger than Omega Shenron, thats a lie,because he doesnt know how much power the Potara earings can bring through the fusion,and when SSJ 4 Goku fused with SSJ 4 Vegeta creating Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta,there training on there base forms at that time were much stronger than what they were In Z.

On my opinion Omega Shenron wins.

We have no way of knowing

We have no standard to measure Bills or Super Saiyan God to.  Toriyama said the following:


"If Bills is a 10, then Super Saiyan God is a 6, and Whiz is a 15."


This seems consistent with the movie's statement that Bills fought (and beat) SSG Goku at 70% power.  The problem is that this is our only valid method of comparison, and neither SSG Goku or Bills appear in GT.  Everything else we can say is that:


Omega Shenron >>>>> Goku

Bills >>>>> Goku


The God transformation could multiply power by 1000; it could multiply it by 1000000; it could multiply it by 500.  We would need to know how much power Bills needed vs. SSJ3 Goku (even it were only like 1% or 0.000001%) in order to know the power increase brought by God status -- or for Bills to have indicated how he compared to Omega Shenron.

There's nothing else to say.  We can't even adequately compare Omega Shenron to other GT villains, because our measure (Goku's relative strength) is different, as Goku likely becomes magnitudes stronger throughout the GT saga because Saiyans power up when injured.  In DBZ, Goku's power increased hundred fold between villains even if he didn't access a new super saiyan transformation, so it stands to reason that in GT, Goku's power was multiplying between fights as well.  Because of this, even if SSG Goku were to fight against Omega Shenron, we still couldn't be sure about Bills vs. Omega.


One conclusion we might be able to draw is that GT Gogeta reached the "limits of power," as the episode was titled.  We don't know if this is the limit of the fusion technique or an actual physical limit on the universe.  If it is a limit on the universe, it would be safe to say that GT Gogeta was at least stronger than Bills, because if Whiz can be 50% stronger than Bills, then it would mean that Bills had not reached a physical limit of power on the universe.  That wouldn't say anything about Omega vs. Bills because GT Gogeta >>>> Omega, but oh well.

Blaisem (talk) 10:50, March 2, 2014 (UTC)

Well... according to the movie ... the eternal DRAGON feared his power ... :/ I would not say that shenron=omega shenron but is has to be pretty danm close if anything else...—This unsigned comment was made by MysticApe (talkcontribs) Please sign your posts with ~~~~ next time!.

no it doesn't shenron is as strong as kami. and sign your comments next time                                                                                                       The         R-                              -Less      One                                             12:43, March 6, 2014 (UTC)

I say Bills just because he is the God of destruction who are known as the most powerful beings in the Universe. SSJ4 Gogeta with the combined powers of Bebi Ozaru, Super 17, and Omega Shenron, plus the Z fighters, would be a better challenge for Bills.—This unsigned comment was made by Sal McClinton (talkcontribs) Please sign your posts with ~~~~ next time!.

                                                                                                 The         R-                              -Less      One                                             11:35, March 7, 2014 (UTC)

Bills, Whis + Super Sayian God Goku !!!

Lets Take Into Account Power Levels

Bills (Heavily Supresed) - 857,000,000,000,000

SSJ3 Goku - 1,000,000,000,000

SSJ4 Goku - 6,000,000,000,000

Omega Shenron - 31,500,000,000,000

So Far We Know Omega Shenron and Bills (Heavily Supresed!) would easily anilated SSJ3 Goku

SSJG Goku (80%) - 500,000,000,000,000

With Theese Numbers we know that super sayian God Goku would beat omega shenron at 80%. If Bills Can Beat SSJG Goku at 70%, he can beat Omega Shenron.

Omega Would Win

     

     Here's why Omega would win:

  • First off, GT villians were made to be stronger than Z villians. Thats why in Z here's how they order the villians: Kid Buu>>>>>Super Buu>>>>Evil Buu>>>Majin Buu>>>>>Super Perfect Cell>>Perfect Cell>>>>>Semi Perfect Cell>>>>Imperfect Cell>>>>>Frieza final form>>>>>Frieza third form>>>Frieza second form>>>Frieza first form>>>>>>>>>>>Vegeta (except Vegeta keeps on getting stornger) and thats about it.
  • Second, if GT Goku is >>>>> stonger than SSJ3 Goku from Z then the heroes keep gettting stronger. If GT super saiyan 3 Goku couldn't as much get a hit on Baby Vegeta, imagine the disadvantage if he fought Omega Shenron like that. But he goes SSJ4 and then fights him and guess what? He's still on the losing side of the battle. Plus if thats the case and GT goku in base form is >>>>> than SSJ3 goku in z then I'd say Bills flicking him away wasn't much of an accomplishment.
  • Third off if Base form goku is >>>>>> than SSJ3 goku from z then imagine his power compared to Bills if GT goku went SSJ4 against Bills, i would be very very sorry for bills and give him a funeral.

So those are the facts to prove that Omega would totally DOMINATE Bills if they ever had a fight. (If anyone says otherwise I'm fine with debating), but anyway thats my idea of how the fight would go. I could come up with maybe another million reasons  but these are the 3 major ones.

vegeta rocks 19:15, April 27, 2014 (UTC) 

Omega Shenron=Lord Bills

DanRon8 (talk) 06:33, June 10, 2014 (UTC)

okay first of all You must understand that Dragon ball Franchise never ended or nor was Gt,s end  the end. Okay its fair to say that bills is the God of destruction of the 7th universe and very strong. i want to clear a misunderstanding 99% of the people who have watched battle of gods have. Bills used 70% of his power DOES NOT mean that he is 70% strong of his strongest form in 100%. It means that Bills have used 70% of his power fighting God Goku,GOT IT..

Okay now Battle of Gods arrived a long after the end of GT(well it was not the end) and the movie came after ending of z after 10 years. and gt also started after 10 -15 years.but it,s safe to assume that GT is obviously after the Battle Of Gods Because Take Pan for an example. So These are the Facts i want everyone to read...

  1. GT is after Battle Of Gods.
  2. [in support of Omega]Well if you think that bills knocked away ssj3 goku with 1 finger then think.... when vegeta was angry bills punched him and nothing happened to vegeta(this vegeta was weaker than Omega)  But when ssj4 gogeta stared at omega shenron he flew away. This Confirms That ssj4 gogeta is alot stronger than Bills. what is not confirmed is that is omega shenron stronger than bills??
  3. [in support of bills]So you think that goku said baby,s kai was strongest he felt means he is stronger than Bills because bills was before that?? YOU ARE TOTALLY WRONG!Remember no one can feel a god,s Kai!!
  4. i actually dont consider gt is non canon but the creaters lost ideas so they decided the end..but they forgot Series can never END!!
  5. so it can,t be decided who is stronger omega shenron or bills but it is confirmed that ssj4 gogeta is stronger than bills...CHEERS!!! also please watch the video in the link..--->https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNMVZ0X3kpEDanRon8 (talk) 06:33, June 10, 2014 (UTC)

This is an easy one, Krillin wins!

J/K but in all seriousness, Bills is the strongest DBZ villain while Omega Shenron is the strongest DBGT villain. If we are to take both Battle of the Gods and GT as canon *which they can be since the movie takes place before the end of DBZ and therefore before GT* it would be difficult to tell how much more powerful Goku was in GT. All we know is that GT Goku would have been way stronger than DBZ Goku, however his child body couldn't handle the full power of his transformations until Old Kai taught him to use his tail to help conserve energy. We know that Bebi Vegeta at the time was the strongest power level Goku had faced at the time, which would mean Bebi Vegeta's power level is greater than Buu in all forms, including Buuhan and Kid Buu. Bills also defeated DBZ SSJ3 Goku with relative ease considering Goku went head to head with King Buu with help from Vegeta, Mr. Buu and Hercule Satan. He also defeated Mr Buu and Mystic Gohan without blinking and probably could have easily defeated Vegeta even if he had SSJ3 at the time, which he didn't. Goku would later go on to reach Super Saiyan 4 and eventually defeat Bebi. Now if Goku at SSJ4 is 10x stronger than Goku at SSJ3 in GT and GT Goku is stronger than DBZ Goku then it is logical to say that SSJ4 Goku is stronger than SSJ3 DBZ Goku. The main problem is comparing SSJ4 to Super Saiyan God. Since GT they never used SSJG since they didn't have enough Saiyans at one time to lend their energy it was never used. Also unlike SSJ4 SSJG has a time limit, so could Goku have defeated Omega Shenron within the time limit? If Bills was resting and not training it can be assumed that since he and Goku at SSJG were so close before hand, then Goku in GT at the same level could probably defeat him. If we knew exactly where SSJG landed and how much more powerful than Goku's base form it was then we can extrapolate how many times the base power level SSJG is and compair that to SSJ4. It's nearly impossible as it stands to say for certain which form is strongest. I want to say Bills is stronger because he's a God but until I know for certain I must go with Omega, for me it's the only logical choice based on their fights alone.

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