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Olibu and a monkey/human/angel (he was a humanoid being with a monkey-like face and the small wings of an angel) attacked Yamcha in the Fusion Saga during the fight between Vegito and Super Buu. He easily defeated them with a double kick that sent them slamming into the ground for a one-hit K.O. Before that he was shown to easily block their attacks. Pikkon (Weighted Clothes) was shown to be on par with Olibu. They were able to match each other blow for blow. Their bout sent shockwaves throughout the stadium, and ended in one final collision. This sent Olibu flying into a wall and out of the match. He and the unnamed warrior were easily knocked out by Yamcha much quicker than Pikkon did against Olibu alone. Though one could say that Pikkon was just using his match with Olibu as a training exercise, the announcer and Grand Kai mentioned that they were like the top 2 contenders in the Upper World at the time (they did not know of Goku’s SS strength except for King Kai) and that either one were prime contenders to win the entire tournament. Pikkon wore his weighted clothes until the final round so it could be said that he used the entire tournament as a training exercise for the final. If Goku had not entered he may have not have needed to remove the weights at all. This Pikkon (less speed and power) was easily able to beat King Cold, what looked to be 100% Full Power Frieza (I mean the large muscles suggest that this was his full power form used against SS Goku on Namek), and Super Perfect Cell. Could this mean that Yamcha was as strong as Pikkon? This weighted clothed Pikkon was shown to be as strong as base form Goku. I do believe that Goku was shown to be stronger than Pikkon (Weighted clothes) because if he wasn’t Pikkon would have no need to remove the weights. Since Yamcha easily beat Olibu like Pikkon, could this mean that he was stronger than Frieza, Cell and King Cold? This would mean that he is stronger or equal to SS2 Gohan in the Cell Saga. If this is true he is stronger than SS2 Adult Gohan before he went Mystic. It would be incredible if this is in fact true. He said so himself that he had not trained since Cell and had given up fighting. He then mentioned that his blood had not been boiling in a long time, and this may have given him the desire to train again. So it could be said that Grand Kai’s planet had increased gravity. King Kai’s is 10X that of Earth so it would make sense that Grand Kai’s planet has some sort of gravity increase as well. Though it is never mentioned in the series how much the gravity it is on that planet. Even if there was it did not seem to faze Yamcha and the other fighters. Though it is never shown that Krillin trained under increased gravity, but some claim that he was the one that set up the Time Chamber for Goten and Trunks since Popo was watching Super Buu with the others. Yamcha’s strength increase was nothing short of amazing. I never thought of his power level to go above the million spectrums. He was almost killed by Gero, beaten by a Cell Jr. although everyone was because they stood no chance of winning against them, and was eaten by Super Buu. I truly think that the answer to this question relies on base Goku and Pikkon (weighted clothes). The question is; how much was Pikkon holding back against Olibu if he was holding back at all? This will really clear any doubts as to how Yamcha fits into the power level table. If he really is a match for Pikkon he is up to SS strength of above. Krillin could be very strong as well because in the episode True Saiyans Fight Alone he and Yamcha seemed to be on par with one another. Also, the Kais were shaken by their performance. As Olibu and Pikkon were training they were applauding, but Krilln and Yamcha almost brought the house down. Though Goku and Pikkon (weighted clothes removed) destroyed the entire ring, Thunder Flash burned almost half of the audience to a crisp (including all 4 Kais and Grand Kai!), and energy blast the damaged the orbiting planets surrounding the ring.
To make it short[]
it's doubtful that Toriyama ever intended any of the humans to be anywhere near the sayians and Piccolo.
tien probably caught up to piccolo as hes always training and fought in buu ard whereas piccolo didnt.
- You have no proof that Piccolo didn't. It's more likely that Piccolo kept training.
- picolo was pathetically weak in buu arc, so he wasnt training. Shakuran13 (talk) 19:12, August 17, 2011 (UTC)
I think that Krillin and Yamcha at that point would maybe be on par with Goku in his base form in the otherworld tournament.
they were scared of fighting the base kids let alone goku.
Against Pikkon (w/o weighed clothes), neither would stand a chance unless fused. On a side note, I would like to have had a human character being more in the center and doing some of the heroic stuff (especially Uub taking all the beatings in GT kinda pisses me off)
uub was very heroic in gt, and defeated a few villains. how did that piss you off, seeing him so strong and badass?
, instead of being sidelined or look really weak. 85.82.249.149 00:10, December 25, 2009 (UTC)Random Dane
I know what you mean by that. They spend so many episodes and sagas building up fighters mainly I am referring to human fighters; Krillin, Yamcha, Tien, and others. I mean if you put them in the show for that long you should not just keep them there instead of leaving them in the background. Now Uub is the one that really makes me mad because they just made him see so weak.
no they overpowered him. come on the second weakest buu makes someone so godly strong as uub who can oneshot rildo and keep up with someone even above buuhan? amazing.
I wrote other posts that describe my thoughts on this and how Uub was just sad in GT.
no hes incredible in gt. the villains were just that much more strong than him.
I mean here you have the 2nd and then the 3rd strongest Z-Fighter. He was 2nd because Goku was 1st, and then after he went Majuub we was temporarily 1st until the new SS4. And then he went to 3rd when Vegeta went SS4. They just let poor Majuub fight off the villains while the 3 Saiyan/Humans Gohan, Goten, and Trunks (who were all weaker than him!) gave energy to Goku.
exactly. he held off omega shenron all on his own for crying out loud.
So I really see where you are going with giving the secondary fighters some more moments to shine in the series.Vegetaisthebest 01:57, December 25, 2009 (UTC)
There's been filler skits shown where Chi-Chi is able to whip both Goku and Gohan.And filler skits shown where Goku,Gohan,Piccolo,and Vegeta all appear to be terrified of Chi-Chi's wrath
- That's for comedic effect. Take a joke. Shakuran13 (talk) 19:12, August 17, 2011 (UTC)
Yo, I agree with most of the bolded stuff. Shakuran13 (talk) 19:12, August 17, 2011 (UTC)
that be unique[]
This was an interesting discussion. You make some good points.
Duuh[]
Could Tiger thief go toe to toe with ssj4 gogeta
He Would Not Have a Chance[]
Pikkon is too strong for Yamcha but i agree with the first Uub was stronger than they portrayed him in GT obviously he's is the reincarnation of DBZ's greatest villian and he just made GT seem worse bcuz it showed how much no one got any action in GT other than Goku and Gogeta
wrong. everyone got action. please ACTUALLY WATCH gt then come back. uub was badass in gt. and buu isnt the greatest villain. kid buu isnt even the strongest form, but second weakest.
"Greatest" is not a definable term. Think about what you're saying before you say he's wrong and hasn't watched GT. Shakuran13 (talk) 21:00, August 17, 2011 (UTC)
i mean come on after so many years Gohan and Vegeta should at least be able to go ssj3 by themselves also they made vegeta look like such a faggot in the fight with Super 17 i havent seen him that scared since Broly
how on earth could they be ssj3 when they only can do earth training? not only that but gohan is RETIRED and a family man *Guile's theme*. of course hes not ssj3 which required you to push your absolute limits. think of how goku and gotenks are a dead man and a fusion. vegeta is neither of these things ergo hes not ssj3.
vegeta stood his ground the entire fight. super 17 even commended him how long he stood up to him. vegeta actually put up a better fight than ssj2 kid goku. kid goku just fired alot of blasts. vegeta was trying to fight physically 1 vs 1. it was inspiring to watch. nothing like his puss-out vs broly.
Agreed for both. Shakuran13 (talk) 21:00, August 17, 2011 (UTC)
No[]
I think that Pikkon was holding back in that fight. A lot of Characters seem to hold back there full strength to make every thing a challege.
It was filler.Get over it[]
End of that.Supreme Gohan 13:17, June 23, 2011 (UTC)
absolutely not Yamcha even tho strong for a human would cop a hiding and a half against Pikkon
Alright let me clear this up so that everyone understands. Pikkon and Olibu are only cannon to the Anime and not the manga. The Other World Tournament and the sparring match between Yamcha and Olibu was filler. Dragon Ball has a notorious history of throwing people off with its crazy logic so I will simplify it so that you may all better understand. Looking at this in the Anime point of view, we know for a fact that Yamcha, Krillin, nor Tien could ever hope of approaching the level of power Olibu or Pikkon had. At least not for another few thousand years. Some people will bring up the whole Pikkon > Cell argument but let me tell you right now that that is false. The Other World Tournament takes place after the Cell Games Saga and using logic here we know that Goku in his SSJ form was weaker than Perfect Cell. It took SSJ2 Gohan to beat him and we know it did not end there because Cell blew himself up and became more powerful than ever and his strength rivaled SSJ2 Gohan's. In response to all Yamcha haters I say. Please. Enough with the Yamcha bashing. I'ts getting old. If you don't like him just keep it to yourself. Back to the analysis here: Using our basic logic here we know that the Other World Tournament takes place shortly after the Cell Games and so when Pikkon defeated Cell, he did not defeat him because he was stronger. No! He beat him because of two factors. The first was he caught Cell off gaurd and the second Cell was most likely holding back. Knowing he was much stronger than Goku at the time, Cell would have no need for his full strength. If Cell fought Pikkon seriously, Pikkon would die....again. Now with Olibu. Olibu fought with Pikkon on a level that was almost on par with Pikkon with his weighted clothes on. Seeing as how he defeated Frieza and King Cold with a single blow each we know that Olibu and Pikkon are above Frieza and his Father. The true place of their strength is unknown but it is safe to assume that Olibu may be around the level of Semi Perfect Cell and Pikkon may be a little above Goku at the Cell games. But one thing that could contradict these two statements is how Goku could fight evenly with Pikkon with weighted clothing on and not be in his super saiyan form. That right there would suggest that Goku in his base form would be stronger than Semi Perfect Cell. This is without a doubt another one of Dragon Ball's famour plot holes/mysteries. As far as yamcha taking on Olibu.....Please.....I am a die hard yamcha fan but the thought of him, Krillin, or Tien fighting Olibu and winning is ridiculous. Using logic here again, we can clearly see that Olibu was holding back almost all of his power. By the end of Z and if we were to count GT, the human Z Fighters would probably be around the level of Frieza's maximum power. That's my estimate. I hope this clears up a few things for many of you.
^^ Regarding posts like this, people seem to forget that when a saiyan gets stronger, it's applies to their base form too, not just their transformations. By the end of the Buu saga, an untransformed Goku/Vegeta/Gohan would most likely be able to beat Frieza, maybe even Cell.
As for how easily Pikkon dispatched Cell, you could explain that the same way a five year old Gohan managed to temporarily take out Raditz, Vegeta, Dodoria, etc.
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Yamcha wouldn't stand the slightest chance against Pikkon. He is stronger than any member from the Ginyu Force, but doesn't even come close to the power of a full power super saiyan Goku. FPSSJ Goku used a super kaioken when fighting Pikkon in the Other World Tournament, doubling his power I may add, but Pikkon was able to bounce back very quickly. In short, there is no possible way Yamcha would win because I highly doubt he is near that kind of strength.