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If freiza had been able to get to the form cooler had gotten to then would goku still have been able to beat him? I know he beat cooler in that form but goku was stronger against cooler than he was against freiza.--Ssj3gogeta96 (talk) 23:53, January 29, 2013 (UTC)ssj3gogeta96
Frieza wins[]
Goku most likely would have lost.
Frieza's 5th probably would also had its own "100%" which would be stronger by at least those 30 milions (that was the difference between Frieza's Max Power Level - 120 000 000 and SSJ Goku - 150 000 000).
I don't think it is worthy to write those "official" levels for 5th Cooler as those doesn't make any sense.
Namek Saga SSJ Goku would have lost to 100% Meta Frieza from the Trunks Saga. So I'm assuming that this non existing 5th form would make Frieza stronger, would put him above 150 000 000. But obviously we can't know it. That's only my opinion.
Simple "what if" question without any reasonable anwser. Oko500 (talk) 02:09, January 30, 2013 (UTC)
Thanks. You always have good answers--Ssj3gogeta96 (talk) 03:40, January 30, 2013 (UTC)ssj3gogeta96
If we consider what happened to Cooler, Goku would have probably still won. He pretty much dominated the fight with Frieza, even in 100%. Then, despite being completely outclassed by Cooler's 5th form in base, he effortlessly destroyed him after going Super Saiyan. --DARK 03:43, January 30, 2013 (UTC)
I see what your saying. But if 100% 4th form freiza was able to put up a fight with super saiyan goku, then I think all he needed was one more transformation. That's how I look at it now--Ssj3gogeta96 (talk) 03:54, January 30, 2013 (UTC)ssj3gogeta96
If you take math into consideration than Freeza's fifth form dominates. The difference between Freeza 100% and SSJ Goku was only 30 000 000. At such high levels, 30 000 000 can easily be surpassed ESPECIALLY if it's a new form. There are, however, other factors to take into account:
- Will Freeza's body be able to handle such a new transformation?
- Will it surpass the difference in power levels between Goku and Freeza (30 000 000)?
- Could he finish off the match before the planet explodes (not really topic related lol)?
My answer is, yes he could defeat SSJ Goku. SuperGogeta91 (talk) 05:46, January 30, 2013 (UTC)
100% fighting evenly with Goku was filler. Don't use Power Levels to prove a point; they don't matter. --DARK 12:03, January 30, 2013 (UTC)
Remember that in the Cooler movie, Goku was stronger than in his fight with Frieza due to the training he had in the Yardrat planet. So his power was about 200,000,000 or more.
Sandubadear (talk) 15:41, January 30, 2013 (UTC)
@DARK: So I can't use power levels, I can't use filler even though the fifth form is filler and I'm supposed to just take your word for it that Goku is still stronger? Sounds fair to me...SuperGogeta91 (talk) 18:19, January 30, 2013 (UTC)
Power Levels don't matter; they never have. When they're just speculation, they mean even less. There's a difference between filler and a movie. Filler contradicts something directly presented in the manga, whereas a movie is completely new content that may or may not be counted towards the official timeline. Goku may or may not have Zenkai'd by the time he got back to Earth, since that seemed to disappear by that point in the series. He more than likely had knowledge of the Instant Transmission, though. --DARK 21:40, January 30, 2013 (UTC)
Ummm...power levels have been used since the start of DragonBall and used quite a lot in DBZ as well. They have always measured a characters strength except in times where Goku or Gohan show deeper power than what they already have. They are far from irrelevant. And that's not what filler means. Filler is added material that MAY contradict the Manga, but some filler doesn't contradict anything. Point being, if Freeza was only 30 000 000 short of SSJ Goku (and don't say power levels don't matter, because they do) than a new transformation will more than likely be able to stop Goku in his tracks. SuperGogeta91 (talk) 06:29, January 31, 2013 (UTC)
Filler in the sense of this instance here. Power Levels are only there to show how inconsistent they are with real power. Toriyama said so himself. --DARK 20:31, January 31, 2013 (UTC)
^ link to the statement?
Pretty sure it's on the page here. --DARK 21:13, January 31, 2013 (UTC)