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[[Category:{{{1}}}|GT shouldn't be considered canon. Toriyama laid out the post-Z timeline and none of GT's events were in it.]]
Toriyama already posted a post-Dragon Ball Z timeline which explicitly has none of the events that were in Dragon Ball GT. No Super Saiyan 4, no Baby, no Super 17, no Dark Dragons. Thus, the wiki should have started putting Dragon Ball GT information in the non-canon area of articles, with movies like Dragon Ball Z: Battle of Gods and Dragon Ball Z: Resurrection ‘F’ in canon areas since they were written and said to be canon by Toriyama. This sort of thing seems to be long overdue.--SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 19:09, April 25, 2015 (UTC)
Oh please post the link to this. I'm practically begging you at this point. ~~TenTailedFox <talk> 19:11, April 25, 2015 (UTC)
Oh my God, have we finally found a sensible user!? --Mina Țepeș (Enter the Bund) 19:12, April 25, 2015 (UTC)
Here you go, the official timeline which Toriyama made: http://www.narutoforums.com/showthread.php?t=1026057&highlight=dragon+ball+online --SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 19:38, April 25, 2015 (UTC)
- What year did he state that because you have to think that he has made plot holes to his original work then GT does. Goku20 Talk ULTRA DBZ ULTRA POKEMON 21:16,4/25/2015
- Two years ago. He officially made GT non-canon with this timeline which was in preparation for Dragon Ball Online. GT has a lot of problems and contradictions to the original work. Hence why we should have DBGT as non-canon here and put the new movies in the canon areas. Its that simple.--SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 21:35, April 25, 2015 (UTC)
- Well something you are forgetting is that he had it stated that Bulma and Mai are both older then Goku and in BoG Bulma is younger and shit so I wouldn't believe anything he says now because his memory is clearly not what it used to be. Goku20 Talk ULTRA DBZ ULTRA POKEMON 21:40,4/25/2015
- ...Bulma was lying about her age. That was obvious, it was a joke. That was the joke. And Toriyama is still the Word of God of the DB Universe, so what he says GOES. Why are you so desperate in keeping DBGT in the canon category when official word of god makes it non-canon?--SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 21:58, April 25, 2015 (UTC)
- Are you SERIOUSLY trying to refute the author? This man is the reason this wiki exists at all — the reason we can enjoy the entirely of Dragon Ball — yes even your precious filler series GT — and you have the hall to refute the author? I don't care if you don't like what he says, what the author says goes. Any changes he chooses to make are canon, if he states that they are relevant to his series. The author is the highest authority on his own story — you lot run on encyclopedia, not the universe of the Dragon Ball series. NONE of you are Toriyama. And yes, as Super Saiyaman said, that WAS the joke.--Mina Țepeș (Enter the Bund) 05:49, April 26, 2015 (UTC)
Most people get that. These people don't. The anime—all of it—is, by definition, a secondary source. Anything that referencing a secondary source—like GT does—is a tertiary source, the least credible of them all. The manga and the author, just like with any work of literature, is a primary source. What did we all learn in grade school, kiddies? Primary sources trump secondary, secondary trumps tertiary, and if you use tertiary as proof of anything, any teacher (or knowledgeable person at all) will laugh you off the stage. Make of that what you will. ~~TenTailedFox <talk> 05:54, April 26, 2015 (UTC)
Xenoverse has made GT an alternate timeline just like how Future Trunks is from an Alternate Timeline, splitting off after Goku flies away with Uub to Train. I'm not sure if Toriyama has had direct influence over this though. If not then GT is just a giant non canon filler. QuakingStar (talk) 09:04, April 26, 2015 (UTC)
Xenoverse is far from the best example of canon material. It branches out a little too far into filler material like Broly and GT to have any true standing in Dragon Ball's canon, no matter how much I like it. Though I'd accept the 'branched timeline' if it'd get this wiki to treat GT like what it is, a non-canon, filler side-story (Toriyama himself called it a side-story, so, his words, not mine). When an author calls a work a "charming side-story" and it's a work attached to his own project, then makes sure every project he's a part of involving his series since then refutes said side-story, this typically means he doesn't have much regard for the aforementioned side-story. It's sad how little regard this wiki has for the mangaka's own official statements.--Mina Țepeș (Enter the Bund) 18:44, April 27, 2015 (UTC)
- Well now...Dragon Ball Super has been announced. Official continuation of the manga written by Toriyama himself. Ignores Dragon Ball GT...now you can see why everyone was pushing for DBGT to be non-canon?--SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 18:21, April 28, 2015 (UTC)