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Gogeta
i think gogeta is stronger because 1. he wouldn't mess around he would go straight for the kill and also i would like to point out that 30 MINUTES IS PRETTY LONG IN THE DBZ UNIVERSE I MEAN COME ON PEOPLE DID EVERYONE FORGET ABOUT GOKU VS FRIEZA WHEN FRIEZA SAID THAT NAMEK WOULD BLOW UP IN 5 MINUTES AND THAT FIGHT LASTED LIKE 10 THROUGH 15 EPISODES AND VEGITO AND GOGETA CAN'T GO SUPER SAIYAN 4 DBGT WAS MADE JUST FOR GETTING MORE MONEY IT WAS NOT ACTUALLY IN THE MANGA SO DON'T SAY VEGITO COULD WIN JUST BECAUSE OF TIME LIMIT OF GOGETA 2. gogeta doesn't even flinch remember when he got punched by janemba he didn't even move he just stood there not even phased while vegito could take damage remember janemba is stronger then goku super saiyan 3 and vegeta they both got owned fast however with super buu gohan absorbed they were still good they didn't get out cold and weren't that beaten up as when they were fighting janemba so it kinda says janemba is stronger then super buu with gohan absorbed also i want to point out that elder kai said that the fusion type was only stronger then the fusion dance just because it didn't have a time limit and it was perminant but you forgot 30 minutes is a very long time in the dbz universe so yeah and gogeta starts as a super saiyan (or super saiyan 2 cause it looks like he is in that form) while vegito doesn't he starts in his normal form so through that period time gogeta has that adantage and that's why i think gogeta is stronger
I think Vegito is slightly stronger than Gogeta.
Piccolohan19 Talk Random? 04:39, April 8, 2012 (UTC)
Vegito[]
Edit by Don: Okay, so I have no idea why this person thinks that Super Vegito is as strong as a SSJ3. Even Gohan is above that, I mean, come on. And although we haven't seen Vegito go above SSJ, doesn't mean he can't. Now I'm not commenting on your opinion, just your stupidity. And just saying, rival boost also boosted Vegito's power as a pro-Vegito argument.
I won't use time as a factor in this.
Vegito is stronger because the fusion via Potara Earrings is stated to be the perfect fusion. While Goku and Vegeta fuse with the Potara Earrings they are perfectly fused, all of their techniques, their strength, their resilience, their speed, everything is perfect. When Goku and Vegeta fuse via fusion dance they immediately become Super Gogeta, which is Gogeta as a Super Saiyan. And if we can't factor GT into this, then Super Saiyan is they highest Gogeta can go. Now don't get me wrong, I know Vegito can only go up to Super Saiyan as well, but when Vegito goes Super Saiyan, becoming Super Vegito. In his Super Saiyan state Vegito's power is near or equal to Super Saiyan 3, whereas Super Gogeta is about as strong as Super Saiyan 2.
This is actually a very tough debate. But, I'd say Vegito is stronger than Gogeta.
I thing vegito because it is said that the potara earrings are said to make the perfect fusion. However this is only if we are going off of DBZ (which is the best one to go off of anyways) because as a super saiyan four gogeta would win but at the same level of super saiyan vegito is the winner.
Good Debate tough choice to make.
VEGITO IS FAR ABOVE GOGETA[]
it,s vegito i will prove it to
1 when goku and vegeta fueses by fusion dance goku had to lower his power to mathc vegeta,s so goku=1000 and vegeta 600 but goku had to lower his power so goku=600 and vegeta=600+little boost of fusion = 100 so gogeta base power level = 1300 and vegito goku=1000 and vegeta=600 so 1600and potara are 1000x stronger than fusion dance and gives rival boost so vegito base =100750now vegito is more like goku and gogeta more like vegeta and goku is far above vegeta so now it has been proven that vegito>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>gogeta
Goku and Vegeta are equal in the same level. Like they are even while SSJ2. And what you said about Potara being better is BS 
Sandubadear
15:16, November 4, 2013 (UTC)
Yeah goku and vegeta were both equal when fusing to make gogeta and vegito. And we don't even know how much the rival boost gives. Potara is definitely not 1000x stronger than fusion dance lol. I agree vegito is a little a stronger because of rival boost but almost everything else you said was completely wrong--Ssj3gogeta96 (talk) 15:44, November 4, 2013 (UTC)ssj3gogeta96
Just because Goku is stronger, doesn't mean the Fusion would be affected. The whole "powering down" theory has already been refuted. If powering down DID put a toll on the power output, Goku would not sound so confident in defeating Buutenks when suggesting to fuse with Gohan, who BTW, is >>>>SSJ3 Goku. SuperGogeta91 (talk) 19:31, March 9, 2014 (UTC)
I think that the fusion brought on by the ear rings is stronger than a fusion via "fusion dance". I think....
I think Vegito would win this one just because of how the potara earings bring about the perfect fusion. Also seeing as how SSJ3 Goku and SSJ2 Vegeta had alot more trouble with Buuhan than they did with Janemba, this goes to show that Buuhan is stronger than Janemba. Vegito was playing around with Buuhan for most of the fight, but we never got to see Super Gogeta's true power. In the end Vegito might just win this battle by a small margin because potara fusion can't even be 10x stronger than the normal fusion dance. There definatley is a difference though.
Potara doesn't bring a perfect fusion. The two people are stuck being fused for ever I would hate that lol. Anyway, vegito is stronger because of the rival boost but not my much. Old kai said "what's more is that since they're rivals they're even stronger". That doesn't sound to me like it gives a huge boost. Just a small bonus. I still like gogeta more though--Ssj3gogeta96 (talk) 02:48, November 5, 2013 (UTC)ssj3gogeta96
You guys are idiots. Goku >>>.vegeta. He held back durig their fight, remember? He didnt use super saiyan 3. He didnt want to kill him or burn his time out on earth. Goku said himself that he could've killed Majin Buu. And Majin Buu could've killed Vegeta, SS3 Goku > Majin Buu > Vegeta. Therefore Super Vegito> Super Gogeta. Even the video games have it that way. —This unsigned comment was made by Vegito2173 (talk • contribs) Please sign your posts with ~~~~ next time!
- By that logic, "because Goku is stronger than Vegeta, that somehow makes one of the other fusions of them stronger than the other." A (t • c) 19:52, March 9, 2014 (UTC)
Not Sure[]
This is one one of those fights I honestly have no idea who would win. Vegito and Gogeta are seen very shortly after their debuts, so we don't know the extents of thier abilities. This is all we know:
- Vegito, in base form, is powerful enough to deflect Buuhan's most powerful attack with ease. Assuming that Vegito and Buuhan were equals for simpicities sake, Vegito would be 50x stronger than Buuhan as a SSJ.
- Gogeta, as a SSJ, is powerful enough to completely outclass Super Janemba, who had the power to distort the entire Universe, and easily defeated SSJ3 Goku, SSJ2 Vegeta, and Pikkon.
That's all we really know based off the anime, where Vegito appeared, and "Fusion Reborn," where Gogeta appeared. There isn't a whole lot of information to see who would be stronger, or if they were at least equal in strength for thier fight. Both fusions, however, are created around the same time period, The Majin Buu Saga. Becasue of this single fact, it's a possibility that Vegito and Gogeta are indeed equals, assuming that the Fusion Dance or Potara Earings don't grant any extra boost than the other. Some like to claim that Vegito is stronger than Gogeta because Old Kai said potara was a better way to fuse, and gave them a "rival boost." However, why wouldn't the fusion dance do that? Considering Gogeta appeared in a movie, there wasn't a whole lot of time to explain everything about the Fusion Dance, so who are we to say? Anyway, Vegito might have an upper hand becuase Gogeta has a time limit, but considering how fast the two can move at this point, I doubt the conclusion of this fight would come down to Gogeta defusing.
In my personal opinion, Vegito and Gogeta are equals in strength, but I can't really decide a winner based of so little information.
Evolve 20 (talk) 22:13, November 5, 2013 (UTC)
Isn't vegito supposed to be stronger than gogeta due to the potera earrings. And the only reason vegito messed around with buu is so he could get absorbed and free everyone from buus body, so just because he messed around with buu doesn't mean he will always act that way when he fights. We rarely see people use their full power in dbz so we don't really know how much of his power he used against buu.
@Evolve 20
Actually the portara earrings doesn't add any power to the fusion the only reason why elder kai said it was a better way of fusion is because it is easier way of fusing and there is no way to mess up on it and become a weak fat fusion verison and because there is not time limit it. The earrings do not add any power and rival boost might goes away when they are fused and if it doesn't that power would be added to both fusions. Vegito wasn't just playing with buu so he could free them it was cause it was fun too. Anyway they are most likely equals in power level also maybe the earring lowered gokus power lvl to vegeta's so equal. Another Goku is only stronger then vegeta if he goes super sayin 3 in there normal forms they are equals in power lvl. I say that they are both equals.
Equal.[]
Nothing in the manga or anime indicate that Vegetto is stronger. Old Kai only said better. If anyone wants to take me up on it go right ahead. There is NOTHING in the manga or anime that suggest Vegetto>Gogeta. SuperGogeta91 (talk) 22:11, November 8, 2013 (UTC)
Well acctually, all other things being equal Vegetto would still be 'stronger' because he doesn't have to worry about timing out, messing up the fusion, etc. if they somehow came to blows it is very likely vegetto would be able to last long enough for gogeta to defuse. It's also, as you said, implied by old kai that portara fusion is superior to metamorian fusion, I personally tend to think it wouldn't just be for 'only' the fact that it doesn't run out from the way he spoke about it.
Some weirdGuy (talk) 07:32, March 16, 2014 (UTC) SWG
Fusion lasting longer doesn't make it stronger. Yes, Vegetto would win in almost every scenario, but that's because his fusion lasts longer. Old Kai implied it was a better way to fuse, meaning, since Fusion is used in dire situations, it's a better method since you don't have to worry about messing up, or waste time doing the dance. If he intended to say it was stronger, he would'v said it, but he didn't. SuperGogeta91 (talk) 20:45, March 16, 2014 (UTC)
Vegito is stronger[]
Okay Vegito is slightly stronger than Gogeta he was able to overwhelm super buu ulti.gohan, fusion dance ssj3 gotenks,and piccolo. Gogeta is strong too,but the point I want to get across is super janemba or him are not stronger than ssj3 goku.Reason 1 lets not say super janemba easily beat goku because goku was whopping his tail for a while and lets not forget the dimensional powers he has over hell and that stupid sword that goku clearly had no way of defending himself from take those two away and there wouldve been no need for fusion ssj3 goku would have ended it so stop saying super janemba was stronger than him watch the part were him and goku fight.UltimateSuperSaiyan3 (talk) 23:43, November 9, 2013 (UTC)
Vegito vs Gogeta[]
Let's use this funny little thing called "facts" and "math" to solve this.
SSJ = 50x base power
SSJ2 = 100x base power
SSJ3 = 400x base power
SSJ = 1200x base power (we've seen varrying numbers)
SSJG = 8000x base power
So based off this scale,
Goku's base power is 3mil. Therefore:
Goku SSJ = 150mil
Goku SSJ2 = 300mil
Goku SSJ3 = 1.2bil
Goku SSJ4 = 3.6bil* (remember this number)
Goku SSJG = 24bil
Now, Gogeta's base power is said to be 50mil.
Gogeta SSJ = 2.5bil
Gogeta SSJ2 = 5bil
Gogeta SSJ3 = 20bil
Gogeta SSJ4 = 60bil
Gogeta SSJG = 400bil
Finally, Vegito's base power is said to be perhaps even more powerful than that of a SSJ4. So let's take Goku's SSJ4 power level (3.6bil) and make it Vegito's base power.
Vegito SSJ = 180bil (already surpassed Gogeta SSJ4)
Vegito SSJ2 = 360bil
Vegito SSJ3 = 1.44tril
Vegito SSJ4 = 4.32tril
Vegito SSJG = 28.8tril
Vegito SSJG is 72x stronger than Gogeta SSJG and 1,200x stronger than Goku SSJG
Please, go ahead and check for mathematical errors. Sorry to say you won't find any. Vegito is vastly superior to any fighter in any Dragon Ball series and is in a complete leage of his own.
P.S. all of the base power levels and SSJ power multipliers (with exception of SSJ4) were found on this site and confirmed by the creator.—This unsigned comment was made by BigDaddyViper (talk • contribs) Please sign your posts with ~~~~ next time!
You automatically know you're wrong when you say something like:
"Please, go ahead and check for mathematical errors. Sorry to say you won't find any. Vegito is vastly superior to any fighter in any Dragon Ball series and is in a complete leage of his own.
It's already been stated that Bills and Whis are stronger than any character seen thus far. Toriyama has also NEVER stated Vegetto>SSJ4 Goku. Not even Super Vegetto. Only the anime comics for GT stated that, and you can take their word for it as much as I do (which I don't). Secondly, your math isn't "fact," it's numbers you pulled from nowhere. Where did you get the info on how much of a multiplier SSJ4 is? Or SSJ god? You need to do some more research. Vegetto is nowhere near SSJ4 Goku from GT. SuperGogeta91 (talk) 18:28, February 24, 2014 (UTC)
i think gogeta. i'd say they are around the same power level but its like comparing a sprinter to a long distance runner, i think gogeta has slightly more strength to compensate for the time limit
Vegito[]
Vegito is outright stated to be stronger than gogeta. We just don't know by how much--Ssj3gogeta96 (talk) 03:17, March 10, 2014 (UTC)ssj3gogeta96
Vegito according to Elder Kai. I like Gogeta more because of his serious and straight to the point attitude that reminds me of Future Trunks, but Vegito is stronger.
Sal McClinton (talk) 19:42, March 10, 2014 (UTC)
In my opinion,Vegito is stronger than Gogeta,because Old Kai said that potara earings give better fusion.
It's in daizenshuu that potara is stronger. They literally say "stronger". Vegito came off as being overconfident because he intentionally let himself be absorbed--Ssj3gogeta96 (talk) 00:37, March 17, 2014 (UTC)ssj3gogeta96
Is that the same Daizenshuu that states Recoome killed Krillen? Or the one where it states Goten is equal to Gohan? like I said, nothing in the manga suggest Potara>Fusion Dance or vice-versa in terms of strength. Anything outside of that is irrelevant to me. Might as well use the video games where Gogeta states he is the Ultimate Fusion. SuperGogeta91 (talk) 19:09, March 17, 2014 (UTC)
Daizenshuu 7 wrote: To use them, the two people who will merge simply have to each take one of the two earrings and put in on their left or right ear, respectively. Furthermore, after merging the power is greater than with Fusion. However, the two people will automatically merge as soon as the earrings are put on, and in principle will be unable to ever split up again, so caution is needed when handling them. The merged person will only split up when touched by the air inside Majin Buu's body. Also, while with Fusion the post-merged clothing is the native dress of the people of Planet Metamor, when merging with the Potara not only are the two people's bodies mixed together, but their clothing is as well. In addition, pathetically enough the East Kaioshin and his attendant Kibito merged together without knowing a thing about Potara fusion." They don't say the effect is the greater they say the power is greater. Old Kai's statement can easily support this--Ssj3gogeta96 (talk) 14:57, March 18, 2014 (UTC)ssj3gogeta96
Like I said, I don't use the Daizenshuu as it has major flaws. Same as how I don't use the Anime Comics for GT stating Super Vegetto=>SSJ4 Goku. In the manga, Old Kai never speaks of strength or power. He says that Potara is better. Old Kai's statement do not support Potara>Fusion Dance. SuperGogeta91 (talk) 15:50, March 18, 2014 (UTC)
Old kai said the "effect is greater", not "it's better"--Ssj3gogeta96 (talk) 05:48, March 19, 2014 (UTC)ssj3gogeta96
That's in the Japanese anime, actually. In the manga, it translates to "better." Even then, effect is greater, still doesn't make Vegetto>Gogeta. Again, if he wanted to state it was stronger, he would've. SuperGogeta91 (talk) 17:51, March 19, 2014 (UTC)
Just An Idea[]
Potara is stated to be "more effective" than Fusion Dance. Not stronger. Three primary reason why it is more effective.
1. Their is no time limit.
2. Their is no limit to who can fuse as far as power levels go.
3. All you have to do is snap on earings.
So it is definatley easier to do. However, it has the eternal perk.
The Fusion Dance requires that the users have the same power level, and that they perform a perfectly symmetrical dance to attain oneness. So we know that the power levels of the users have to be equal for the Fusion Dance. Now, at the time of Vegito, Goku had the ability to go SSJ3, and Vegeta could become a SSJ2. They had the same abilities in the Fusion Reborn movie. Also, it has possiblity of fusing the users in the inncorrect way as seen with Fat/Skinny Gotenks and Veku. So it was less effedtive in the long run, but still very effective.
Now, it is obvious that Base Vegito is stronger than SSJ3 Goku or SSJ2 Vegeta. Even if they both teamed up on him it would be useless. Now, even though they fused in base form, it would fuse their max powers. I say this because let's do the 2 ways of calculating fusion that people do. Goku and Vegeta are a power level of 10 at base.
Base Goku 10xBase Vegeta10=Base Vegito 100.---SSJ Goku is 500, so it must multiply the max power level.
Base Goku 10+Base Vegeta 10= Base Gogeta 20--SSJ Goku is 500, so it must add the max power level.
Now, I don't multiply power levels, since I think the numbers soar a little to high, and just adding them isn't enough. So I add the max power levels of the users, and then multiply that number by 2(since their are 2 users) and that gives me my base fusion. So we will say Goku and Vegeta are equal with a power level of 10 at their base. Just using numbers I know their power levels are much higher. So;
Level-Goku/Vegeta Power Level
SSJ-500 500
SSJ2 1000 1000
SSJ3 4000
So Base Vegito would be (SSJ3 Goku 4000 + SSJ2 Vegeta 1000)2= Base Vegito 10,000
So Base Gogeta would be (SSJ2 Goku 1000 + SSJ2 Vegeta 1000)2= Base Gogeta 4,000
This puts Base Gogeta equal with SSJ3 Goku and much weaker than Vegito. However, when Gogeta is a SSJ his pwoer level is 200,000 so the Super Gogeta that defeated Super Janemba was still incredibly strong compared to anyone but Vegito. If Vegeta gains the SSJ3 ability, then they would be equals. No matter hower you look at it. Ofcourse their is no official way to calculate fusions, so this is the best I can think of.
Episode 227-Goku explains Fusion Dance
Episode 251-Old Kai reveal Potara Fusion
So all in all Buu Saga Super Vegito is about 2.5x stronger than Movie 12 Super Gogeta.Ultimatessj1 (talk) 22:40, March 29, 2014 (UTC)UltimateSSJ1
You're basically saying that Gogeta would only get Goku's SSJ2 max power and not his SSJ3 which wouldn't make sense. In that case, a fusion of Gohan and Goku would not be enough to defeat Buutenks since Gohan>>>>>Base Goku, even though Goku claimed a fusion between them two would be enough. And I have a VERY hard time believing Base Gogeta is equaled to SSJ3 Goku. SuperGogeta91 (talk) 00:58, March 30, 2014 (UTC)
The reason I say, is since their power levels have to be equal. So no, he wouldn't have Goku's SSJ3 power since the Fusion Dance combines to equal energies. And Goku and Gohan were going to use the Potara Fusion to defeat Buutenks. So, it wouldn't matter if Gohan's base was so much higher than Goku's. Also, we never see Base Gogeta, and probably for the reason of his power being equal to SSJ3, but as a SSJ, he is 50x stronger and Buuhan, Buutenks, and as shown Super Janemba don't stand a chance. His SSJ form would be stronger than a would-be SSJ4 Goku. So although he seems weaker, it's only because Vegeta doesn't have SSJ3.However, Vegito is still superior. So ya it did make sense.Ultimatessj1 (talk) 06:20, March 30, 2014 (UTC)UltimateSSJ1
Check your manga, Goku wanted to do Fusion Dance with Gohan to defeat Buutenks and was confident he could. The problem arises when Gohan>>>>SSJ3 Goku, so that wouldn't effect the fusion at all and they still wouldn't be strong enough to defeat Buutenks unless the powering down doesn't affect the fusion output. Super Janemba is also loads times weaker than Buuhan, so if Gogeta did need SSJ (which I believe he didn't; it was just added because it's a movie), then even his SSJ would either be on par with Buuhan or he would be weaker. SSJ4 Goku is much stronger than Super Vegetto and Super Gogeta as stated by both Old Kai and Goku himself. SuperGogeta91 (talk) 03:53, March 31, 2014 (UTC)
Goku came to Earth with the Potara earings. He threw it to Gohan and he missed it. Buutenks ran out of time on Gotenks Fusion, so he became Buuiccolo. They decided not to fuse, then he absorbed Gohan. So, the power levels wouldn't matter. I say in the Potara Fusion that it is max power levels. They don't have to be equal. So they would have enough power to win. Buuhan, Buutenks, and Super Janemba are all around the same power with Buuhan being the strongest by a small margain. Although I believe Gogeta in base form to be stronger than SSJ3 Goku, my numbers have them as equal. As a SSJ he is much stronger than Buutenks, Super Janemba, and Buutenks. SSJ4 Goku GT would crush Super Vegito. But I said a "would be" SSJ4 Goku in DBZ.I believe base GT Goku to be equal to SSJ3 DBZ Goku. And you say they only made him a SSJ since it was a movie, but that movie is Gogeta's only appearance in DBZ. He is not in the manga/anime. Only in Fusion Reborn. So, his whole idea is based off his minute of fame. Now I believe you are talking about when Goku suggests fusion and the Old Kai shows him the potara earings. By that logic Gohan would just lower his power level to Goku's base and when they fused it would take their max equal power level which we will say is SSJ3, and add them together and multiply that number by 2. Or Goku could just go SSJ3 and Gohan could put his power at that level and they could fuse. Either would work and make "Gokhan" much stronger than Buutenks. He would be stronger than Vegito or Gogeta easily. Oh and since we're using movies, SSJ3 Goku>Ultimate Gohan Movie 14 Wrath of the Dragon.Ultimatessj1 (talk) 04:39, March 31, 2014 (UTC)UltimateSSJ1
SSJ4 Goku DBZ would probably be weaker than Super Vegetto/Gogeta, but much stronger than U.Gohan. Where you put him is none of my concern as that is not the arguement here. You say Gohan could match it to Goku's SSJ3, but who says two SSJ3 fusions (Goku) would be strong enough? SSJ Gotenks is already stronger than SSJ3 Goku, how much stronger do you think U.Gohan is? Unless you're saying Gohan would lower his power to SSJ3 Goku's then, after fusing, the fusion would get the total power of both fusees in which I would agree and you would contradict yourself. Also, the fusion wouldn't be stronger than Gogeta/Vegetto since you forgot about the rival boost they get for fusing which Old Kai described as "definitely strongest." Either way, it doesn't make sense that a fusion of Goku and Vegeta would get SSJ2+SSJ2, but a fusion of Goku and Gohan would get SSJ3+U.Gohan. We are using movies set before/during Vegetto's appearance since that's the best way to measure both fusion's power, not lopsided otherwise I would pick SSJ4 Gogeta and would win the arguement, so movie 14 has nothing to do with this. Just for the record, what do you have Base Vegetto at? Since you say Base Gogeta is=> than SSJ3 Goku (to which I find absurd).SuperGogeta91 (talk) 21:29, March 31, 2014 (UTC)
I agree a SSJ4 Goku DBZ would be much stronger than Ultimate Gohan. I have Ultimate Gohan on par with SSJ3 Goku, I merely said he could lower his power level to a SSJ3 to match Goku, since you believe Gohan to be so much more powerful. AT did say that Gohan was the strongest unfused character, but that is disproven by Whiss. Now, nowwhere in the Japanese/Englsih Manga or Anime does it clearly state that Gotenks as a SSJ is equal to SSJ3 Goku. SSJ Gotenks never fought Fat Buu. So, the assumption of SSJ Gotenks already being stronger than SSJ3 Goku is nuts. I don't contradict myself, Potara takes max power levels I said. Fusioin Dance takes equal power level. It is stated that their power levels have to be equal for the Fusion Dance. The rival boost isn't stated of how much of power increase. Gohan and SSJ3 Goku if they fused, Potara or Fusion Dance, they would be much stronger than either character. But I have repeated myself, so to make this clear FUSION DANCE IS MAX EQUAL POWER LEVELS. POTARA IS MAX POWER LEVELS. Explaining why Goku was considering Tien/Dende/ Hercule as the other fusee. The Potara doesn't have to have equal power levels. I have Base Vegito with the same ingredients (SSJ3 Goku and SSJ2 Vegeta) at 10,000. They're powers have to be equal in the Fusion Dance. I stated there is not correct way for calculating either fusion technique, so they are my opinion, but it makes sense. A would be SSJ4 Goku DBZ would smash Vegito or Gogeta, but once they ascended just one time. As SSJ's, they are uncontested. You're logic for ruling out Wrath of the Dragon is deniable, but you are right in the sense of it not pertaining the events here. And I do not deny SSJ4 Gogeta GT to be uncontested. If Vegeta had the ability to become a SSJ3, then Vegito and Gogeta would be the exact same, but Gogeta is required for them to have equal power levels. Make sense?Ultimatessj1 (talk) 22:10, April 1, 2014 (UTC)UltimateSSJ1
Then that's the problem we have and it comes down to that. U.Gohan is much stronger than SSJ3 Goku. Goku, the manga, and practically everyone else, state that U.Gohan is a lot stronger. Goku states in the manga that "a stronger warrior than I will appear." Who you want to take this as, is up to you, but clearly, it was meant for the boys, and this was directed at SSJ Gotenks (as Goku didn't believe the kids could ascend to SSJ3). Was Goku lying? Possibly, but that would be an assumption, and assumptions don't beat out statements. For the record, SSJ3 Goku never wanted to fight Super Buu alone or with Vegeta. He always wanted fusion. SSJ Gotenks was holding his own and surpassed Super Buu once he went to SSJ3. U.Gohan is stronger than SSJ3 Gotenks, so according to everything in the manga, U.Gohan>>>SSJ3 Goku. With that being said, Goku was confident that a FUSION DANCE (not* Potara) would be sufficient enough to defeat Buutenks. Old Kai was about to let them do it, but advised against it since he realized how slow it takes and I quote:
Old Kai: "Fusion, huh? That thing the kids were doing, eh? Do you think he'll just stand there and let you do it?
The problem here was time, not power level, meaning if Goku and U.Gohan did fuse, regardless of their power difference, then it would be enough for Buutenks. I also regard rival boost as the greatest power boost in a fusion. Old Kai stated it was "definitely strongest." It all comes down to how strong you have the fusees. To me, they're equal, regardless of Vegeta having SSJ3 or not, since I see fusion dance using BOTH fusees max power. By the way, the statement with Akira Toriyama about U.Gohan being the the strongest unfused character, or Vegetto being the strongest character was an internet rumour. This also would've been false since EoZ Goku>>>U.Gohan. With that, I bid you a good day. SuperGogeta91 (talk) 00:28, April 2, 2014 (UTC)
I agree that Ultimate Gohan is stronger than SSJ3 Gotenks, but nowhere is it stated that he is stronger than SSJ3 Goku. You say Goku , the manga, and practically everyone states that he is, but none of them do. And personal opinions don't count. You said I made an assumption and that statements are fact while assumption is opinion. But you didn't give any statements, just assumptions. Super Gotenks was not on par with Super Buu. He also, did not surpass him when he became SSJ3. Goten admitted that they were equal to Buu but not stronger. Piccolo says that according to Buu he was just warming up with Gotenks. So, to say that SSJ3 Gotenks surpassed Super Buu is an assumption. I didn't say Goku was lying, it's just 50/50 with him. I agree that Buu wouldn't have let them fuse, and that is why the Potara was more effective as I stated earlier. The warriror who is stronger clearly depicts Vegito, but that would be an assumption my part as Gotenks is on your part. All I'm saying is I had an idea, and since it is stated that Fusion Dance requires equal power levels, Vegito from the Buu saga would be stronger than Gogeta from the Fusion Reborn movie. Also, you're argument is that U. Gohan is stronger than SSJ3 Goku, but EoZ Goku is stronger than Ultimate Gohan. Only as a SSJ3 is Goku at the end of Z equal to or slightly stronger than Gohan. On another note though, I would like to thank you for clearing up the AT statement about U. Gohan, I never could find an actual source, but I had seen it so many times that I went with it. I would like to know where the Old Kai states that the Rival Boost is the strongest. But Gohan is much stronger than Vegeta, so "Gokhan" would also smash Vegito or Gogeta. But lke I said "Just an Idea".Ultimatessj1 (talk) 07:52, April 3, 2014 (UTC)UltimateSSJ1
can't compare[]
u cant compare these 2 because of the time limit. its like pitting a sprinter up against a marathon runner. i think gogeta is stronger but vegito could outlast him and win the fight overall if he could last that long
Vegito is stronger than Gogeta. Goku doesn't have to lower his power to match Vegeta's like he have to do with the fusion dance. Don't believe me? Remember when Goku was teaching it to Trunks and Goten and told to go max power in Super Sayain? Goku told Trunks he had to lower his power to match Goten's or the fusion dance wouldn't work. Goku being stronger than Vegeta have to lower his power to match Vegeta's for the fusion dance to work where he doesn't have to with the Potara fusion. Elder Kai said it didn't hurt that Goku and Vegeta live to outdo each other. That meant there is no rival boost, it means since they live to outdo each other, they grow stronger and stronger though Vegeta can't surpass Goku. People say Gogeta can win because he got Super Sayin 4. Newsflash people, Vegito and Gogeta are made of the same two people. If Gogeta can go Super Sayain 4, Vegito can too. Only problem is SS4 Vegito can toy around with Gogeta til fusion wears off and beat the stuffing out of Goku and Vegeta also. So in the end: Vegito is stronger than Gogeta, end of story.
Vegito surpasses[]
Vegito here has many advantages to his credit, but if both of them were to fight ofr 30 minutes non stop i still think Vegito would still have a slight advantage over Gogeta.
I believe Vegito is stronger because of the fact that it is a permanent fusion and that kai magic is stronger than metamoran technique
Goku said, as super saiyan 3, he could have beaten Buu. Now, Super Vegito was easily beating Buu, but go to the fight with Super Janemba. Super saiyan 3 Goku was no match for him at all. So, Super Janemba is, obviously, WAY stronger than Buu, which, makes Super Vegito, at most, just as strong as Super Janemba, yet, Super Gogeta killed him with just a kick and his finishing blast. So, it has to come down to this: Buu < Super saiyan 3 Goku < Super Vegito < or = Super janemba < Super Gogeta
Ah NO, the only two Buu's Goku claimed to be capable of defeating were Fat Buu and Kid Buu, Goku crapped his pants on the thought of fighting Super Buu, the Buu Vegeto was beating was Buuhan, the strongest ever variety of Buu , so your assessment of Janemba being stronger than Buu is wrong, Janemba is stronger than fat buu but there is nothing to suggest that he is stronger than Buuhan.
SSJ6Vegeta (talk) 17:51, September 14, 2014 (UTC)
alright when comparing gogeta and vegito looking through the various sources ( both official and unofficial ) vegito is the stronger of the two but only slightly even if the time limit is removed (and it won't ) both are capable of using the kaio-ken both are capable of ssj 3 and even using the spirit bomb. Not mention they know each others tactics ( both fusions are made by Goku and vegeta ) so I don't think they'll mess around knowing what the other is capable of the only reason vegito would win is because of gogeta's fusion time limit which gets smaller and smaller the more power that's need to maintain the fusion (30 to 5 minutes depending on the power of Goku and vegeta ) anyway you can look it up on the dragon ball z/gt/AF wiki.01:19, September 15, 2014 (UTC)Ian Brown 1989 (talk)
Gogeta...[]
I hate to admit it but Akira Toriyama even stated in an interview that Gogeta is slightly stronger, but Vegetto is the best martial artist in the universe. Now that doesn't mean Gogeta automatically wins. Saying there's no time limit for Gogeta, I think Vegetto would still be able to keep up with Gogeta. And you can't use the argument "Vegetto won't take it seriously", thats just what Gogeta fanboys say to make Gogeta seem better. Vegetto wanted Buu to absorb him so he could release Goten, Trunks, Piccolo, and Gohan, he didn't want to take Buu out right away. They're both made of the same people so their personalities can't be that contrasting. All in all I can't say who I think would win, I can't just assume Gogeta because he is slightly stronger and I can't say Vegetto because than I'll look like a fan boy, but I guess Gogeta does have the advantage.
SSJ3Vegeto (talk) 01:40, September 15, 2014 (UTC)
That interview was later found out to be a fake. I was shocked, and slightly happy as well, when I saw that article, but as someone pointed out, the article did not fit the criteria for it to be true. SuperGogeta91 (talk) 00:51, September 16, 2014 (UTC)
Lmao I used to be such a noob ^^^ anyway, the answer is clear as day in the manga who's stronger. SSJ2 Gogeta (talk) 18:50, March 14, 2015 (UTC)
Gogeta may be stronger[]
Gogeta > or = Vegito > Ultimate Gohan > SSJ3 Goku > Sonic > Mario
Gogeta may not be Potara, but he doesn't have the arrogance of Vegito.
SSJ Gogeta WRECKED Janemba, who is stronger than Buu.
Now, Vegito is mostly worse because it takes a lot of his personallity. It takes tiny bits of mercy from Goku and a crapload of arrogance from Vegeta. Sure Gogeta happened before Vegito, but at least he got the job done, and being SSJ all the time is pretty badass.
It's obvious from that point on that Vegito is stronger than UG, who's better than SSJ3 Goku, and anyone who thinks Sonic is better, which may seem irrelevant but it is part of DBZ / Sonic, should be checked for being mentally retarded or having Fanboyitus, and as a fan of both Goku is WAY better.
Anyway, Gogeta > or = Vegito, if you count personallity or not it could change.
btw if this comes up weird, its not my fault this forum has different layout then regular forums. I don't know why Wiki Forums have to be like this but I shall roll with it.
Gogeta is much stronger than super saiyan 3. My evidence for this is that Super Janemba wasn't even fased by super saiyan 3 goku, who was able to hold his own against super buu gohan absorbed, while gogeta not once threw a real punch at Janemba, wasn't even fased by him, and destroyed him in less than a minute. In addition, Akira Toriyama said in an interview that Gogeta is a bit stronger than Vegito. Lastly, it's possible that the elder kai said that the potara fusion is stronger due to the lack of failure, not power. So really, the battle would be close (unless Goku or Vegeta fail and become Veku), but in the end, Gogeta would come out on top
Vegito is stronger because for the fusion dance you had to be the same exact or atleast extremly close to the same power level demonstrated when Goten and Trunks were fusing. So for Gogeta Goku has to lower his power immensly to match Vegeta's However for the earring Fusion they can both be at full power. Even if one fusion lets you multiply your power by 50x then goku doing that at full power and Vegeta doing it at full power is stronger then Goku and Vegeta doing it at Vegeta's full power. Also even if Gogeta can go ssj4 Vegito has a post ssjg Goku. People say That Vegito messes around while Gogeta doesn't the Reason Vegito messed around with Buu is because he was so superior to him (in my opinion)
Vegito wins by the boatload[]
First of all, Vegoito max SSJ decimated Super Buu Gohan Absorbed Hidden Power, which is the strongest villan mode EVER in the actual anime by about 100 trillion. Vegito is also about 250x stronger than SSJ Gogeta. Old Kai said the earrings were sacred so Im not suprised. Not even SSJ4 Gogeta can compete because then you would have to factor GT Vegito, and both Goku And Vegeta are about 1 quadrillion in base form. Dont forget Goku trained with Uub in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber for about 15 years which equals 5475 YEARS worth of training. And when he turned into a kid, it actually helps because then when he got older, he surpassed everyone because his power would soon not decrease by age. So there you go
Vegito or Gogeta - Who is stronger??? The answer is Vegito.
Gogeta vs Vegito[]
Who is stronger of the two?Never
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Vegito and Gogeta are equal in every way to me. If Goku has achieved SSJ3 and Vegeta has unlocked SSJ2, the Gogeta could easily get SSJ2 and then to SSJ3. Hey if Gotenks did it then it should be even easier for Gogeta to do it. I'm pretty confident that the power level that was present during the dance won't create limits for their fusion. So Goku's max potential and Vegita's max potential...average it .....you'd probably get Vegito and Gogeta's potential.
Vegito for the win.[]
Vegito is stronger. He is the more perfect fusion. Plus it doesn't have a time limit.
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Facts say that Vegito is stronger but i myself do not know why but maybe it is because the potora fusion lasts way longer than the fusion dance or potora fusions are always stronger than their fusion dance counterparts.
Gogeta by power level Vegito by time[]
Vegito - 195,000,000,000,000
Gogeta - 197,000,000,000,000
(At full Power)
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I would say Vegito but I really thought they should be equal strength because they are both fusions of the same two people its just a different type of fusion.
Gogeta would win easily. 1.vegito is not permanent stated by gowasu. 2.gogeta has blue evolved and is stronger than Xeno gogeta who can beat Broly but Broly is even against vegito and Xeno vegito
Gogeta Slams Vegito[]
So hear me out, you guys have said that the fusion dance technique needs both people to have the same power making Goku or Vegeta having to power down a bit. Easy Fix, Gogeta will stay as Gogeta for the 30 minutes, While when Vegito Powers up, the timer gradually goes down a lot. Gogeta Slams Vegito Neg Diff, Jk but Gogeta will win.