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I know a super saiyan is 50 times stronger then a persons base form, and a super saiyan 3 is 10 times stronger then a super saiyan 2, but how much stronger is a super saiyan 2 compared to a super saiyan 1? I can't seem to find this info anywhere.

Ssj = 50 x base

Ssj2 = 100x base

Ssj3 = 400x base? 1000x base?

Where did you find the ssj3 info? It might be right but I'm not sure? We really need Akira Toriyama to solve stuff like this. If you know a way to contact him do it. We need him for stuff like this. It's likely your right as its stated Goku never used the full power of ssj3 as after he was revived he couldn't use ssj3's full power as his body couldn't handle it. In GT his kid body was never used to it and ssj3 is the most difficult form to deal with so we probly never saw it's full power.

Well, in my opinion there is evidence that the initial 50x Super Saiyan multiplier drops as the power levels increase. This has been argued a lot, but that's how I feel it is. My figure for Ascended Super Saiyan is 2x regular Super Saiyan, USSJ is 4x ASSJ and FPSSJ, similarly, 8x regular SSJ. Super Saiyan 2 is stated to be 2x FPSSJ but manga events suggest very strongly that it would be too little, so my figure is at least 5x FPSSJ. SSJ3, similarly, should offer power at least 5x as large as SSJ2. Xfing 04:15, March 15, 2012 (UTC)

It clearly says on the wiki pages of this site that SS1 is 50x stronger than base form, SS2 is twice as strong as SS1, and SS3 is four times stronger than SS2. ~~And, if you wish to go a step further, I would suggest SS4 is ten times stronger than SS3 considering its an advanced form of Oozaru.~~

I would like to correct myself here. Since Golden Great Ape is achieved from Super Saiyan, meaning 50x base power, and Oozaru is 10x base, I would say that SS4 is instead 500x base form. It is disputed however whether SS3 is more powerful than SS4, considering SS4 isn't really a form of Super Saiyan, but a Super Oozaru. SS4 is a far more energy efficient and conservational than SS3, even though SS3 seems to be able to do more damage.

Hmm Edit

A lot. Tokeupdude 21:34, June 5, 2011 (UTC)

According to the Daizenshuu, SSJ2 multiplies SSJ1's power by 2x and SSJ3 multiplies SSJ2's power by 4x.PeachWhiteWhite 00:06, June 6, 2011 (UTC)

To answer your question about where I got the info about the SS3, its stated on the SS3's page.

SSJ3 Page Edit

Its not credible you can't be sure that's why I asked.

SSJ3 Edit

Discounting GT, SSJ3 is the pinnacle of power in the Saiyan race. Unlike SSJ and SSJ2, it's meant to have complete maximum, 100% output of ki and power. That's why I think that so long as Goku trains, SSJ3 will continue to grow if his body can handle it. It's kind of like how Frieza's transformations would give him large increases (for the Frieza Saga), but then in his final form he's all "LAWL I'M AT 1% I CAN GO 100 TIMES STRONGER" (basically it gets a HUGE increase). So I think SSJ has its limits, SSJ2 has its limit, but SSJ3 keeps going so long as Goku trains and gathers more and more latent ki (assuming his body can handle it).

SSJ2 is too low Edit

Daizenshuu is wrong about the SSJ2 being 2x SSJ. Think about it. Even ASSJ is at least 2x SSJ, and USSJ and FPSSJ are even more powerful. When Vegeta went ascended he at least doubled his strenght, if not tripled! And trunks, goku... they are at least 4x regular SSJ. Daizenshuu is either very very wrong, or they are reffering to SSJ2 being twice as strong as the STRONGEST form of SSJ, which would be FPSSJ.

Pretty sure SSJ2 is twice FPSSJ, and that's only the initial transformation. Goku or Vegeta or whoever can still power up while in that form like with SSJ (although there apparently isn't an "FPSSJ2"). Princevegeta66 15:20, July 15, 2012 (UTC)

Agreed. If there was FPSSJ2 it would probably be enough to beat fat buu, at least. I think it would be better for goku if he tried to master it in the otherworld rather than going ssj3.

FPSSJ is not such an improvement on the Super Saiyan's strength, it's just that they use up less energy while they are transformed so they can stay transformed for longer/fight for longer without needing to power down again. Ssj2gohan 12:12, July 16, 2012 (UTC)

I know, but then why everybody says its so much more powerful than assj/ussj?

Maybe the name? Or maybe because the form would probably be more effective in battle due to the calmer/clearer mind set and less energy output. I can definitely see a FPSSJ beating an USSJ in battle, because of the speed difference. A fight against an ASSJ would be a closer one in my opinion. Ssj2gohan 03:09, July 17, 2012 (UTC)

FPSSJ is basically mastery of SSJ strength, so the Saiyans can basically transform into an SSJ and get that 50x increase or whatever, but they'll only use a very tiny amount of energy. Then, they have all the energy they want to increase stamina and endurance, if need be. The remaining energy CAN still be used to power up the SSJ form, as Goku showed against Cell (with limits, obviously, otherwise SSJ2 would be pointless). ASSJ on the other hand forcibly powers up the body, a little like Kaio-ken, resulting in energy loss rather than reserving energy, meaning that an FPSSJ would last much longer than an ASSJ, and an FPSSJ has more remaining energy to power up, allowing it to surpass ASSJ. Notice how Vegeta was confident about being stronger than Goku in ASSJ form until Goku powered up to his max. Rather than FPSSJ being the next stage after USSJ, it's more of an alternate stage to the ASSJ, and a more efficient one. It's strength is also probably higher than a USSJ after powering up. And then SSJ2 initially doubles that power. Princevegeta66 15:20, July 17, 2012 (UTC)

ObviouslyEdit

Try reading DB Wiki's SS2 article.

Here's a breakdown of a saiyan's strength from weakest to strongest.

Great Ape = base X 10

False Super Saiyan = base X 21

Super Saiyan = base X 50

Ascended Saiyan = Super Saiyan X 1.03 = base X 60

Ultra Super Saiyan = Ascended Saiyan X 1.2 = base X 62

Super Saiyan 2 = Super Saiyan X 2 = base X 100

Super Saiyan 3 = Super Saiyan 2 X 4 = base X 400

Golden Great Ape = Great Ape Saiyan X 50 = base X 500

Super Saiyan 4 = Super Saiyan 3 X 1.25 = base X 500

These next few are from the Dragon Ball AF universe, so they're purely fan-based.

Super Saiyan 5 = Super Saiyan 4 X 1.4 = base X 700

Super Saiyan 6 = Super Saiyan 5 X 3.86 = base X 2,700

Super Saiyan 7 = Super Saiyan 6 X 2.3 = base X 6,300

Super Saiyan 8 = (?) - skipped

Super Saiyan 9 = (?) - skipped

Super Saiyan 10 = Super Saiyan 7 X 18 = base X 113,400

Not Exactly.....Edit

I can't agree with most of the above. Like the guy said below, this really is pretty incorrect. An ASSJ can't multiply an SSJ by 1.03...the Androids and Piccolo were above SSJ, as was Cell in all forms, but all these (except Perfect Cell) are below ASSJ.The Androids and Semi-Perfect Cell (or even Imperfect) already have enormous gaps of power between them, and it makes no sense for their power to be in between 1x an SSJ and 1.03x an SSJ. Going by that logic, you'd have to squeeze 17 and 18 and Piccolo at 1.01x stronger than an SSJ, Imperfect Cell at 1.015x stronger, and Semi-Perfect at 1.02x. Also, 50 x 1.03 =/= 60, and 60 x 1.2 =/= 62, I don't know why you did that.

17, 18, Piccolo, and Cell are all above SSJ, with an enormous gap between Cell and the others, while ASSJ completely outclasses any pre-Perfect Cell. ASSJ is at least 1.5x stronger than SSJ, AT LEAST. USSJ also outclasses a suppressed Perfect Cell in everything but speed, so it can't be that low either. FPSSJ is also loads stronger than SSJ, and SSJ2 is twice FPSSJ. Since we really have no idea how strong FPSSJ is in comparison to SSJ (in terms of numbers), all we can say is that SSJ2 is twice FPSSJ. We can't truly tell how much stronger it is than base. SSJ3 is also 4x stronger than an SSJ2 at FULL POWER (not "FPSSJ2", but a fuller charged SSJ2), so this, again throws the comparison to base form out of whack. And SSJ3s can also power up.

These multipliers (the "official" ones, most the ones above) are just multiplying the previous form's full power at initial transformation. For example, let's just say SSJ Goku is 50 (Base Goku is 1). We don't know ASSJ or USSJ, so we'll just say 75 and 115. Then FPSSJ could be 300x (since Goku was very close to Perfect Cell but not Super Perfect). That makes SSJ2 600x. Then, if a fully charged SSJ2 is, say, 1000x, Goku SSJ3 would be 4000x. Then he can power up to whatever he wants if his body can handle it (won't include SSJ4; no multipliers released for it). NOTE THAT THESE MULTIPLIERS IN COMPARISON TO BASE FORM ARE NOT THE TRUE CALCULATIONS, BUT SIMPLY AN EXAMPLE TO SHOW HOW THE MULTIPLIERS OF SSJ WORK, seeing as how SSJs are forms, not a completely set multiplier-type technique (like how Kaioken x10 always multiplies by 10, no going up unless you do a higher Kaioken [or other technique]). I hope this helps.

Princevegeta66 21:01, July 18, 2012 (UTC)

So incorrect. Edit

That's some mega bullsh*t. The actual increases are much higher.

man, the 2x super saiyan 1 thing always seemed bullshit to me. Gohan as a new super saiyan 2 rolls super perfect cell while at less than half strength. Yet apparently half a super saiyan 2 = a regular super saiyan which is weaker than a full powered super saiyan. Goku full powered and mastered wouldn't have had any chance against super perfect cell.

To me its 3 Super Saiyans put togther.AREA95000 (talk) 16:35, October 6, 2012 (UTC)

Some perspective Edit

Two-fold is a significant increase in the DBZ universe, so it makes sense why SSJ2 is leagues beyond SSJ1 despite being "only" two times as powerful. Vegeta (power level 24,000) was able to completely dominate Cui (18,000) and Dodoria (22,000), even though the power gap does not seem like much. Broly also far outclassed the 5 Z fighters simultaneously, despite being less than twice as powerful as FPSSJ Gohan (i.e. Broly is weaker than SSJ2 Gohan). Even a relatively low gap in power can make for an incredibly one-sided fight. Although the caveat is that this doesn't hold true for all battles... Janemba4eva (talk) 20:27, October 6, 2012 (UTC)

A lot stronger than ssj1 Edit

100x base is about right. Gohan going from losing to Cell pretty badly when a ssj1 and then just completely overpowering Cell when he turned ssj2 is a good example of the jump between ssj1 and ssj2

Actually, most of you are wrong. Goku mentioned in the show that super saiyan 1 increases your power level X100. Not X50. I'm really not sure about 2 and 3 though. While were on the topic, don't you think Dragon ball z should make an official power level guide? it would be a lot easier.

/\ No, it's indeed x50. You can read it at Super Saiyan article. An super-official-forever-eternal power level guide would still be failing at some points, since power levels change a lot

Sandubadear (talk) 01:34, February 8, 2013 (UTC)

More than 2x Edit

I never could understand how SSJ2 is only 2x SSJ power increase (in this case fpssj, since it would be 2x previous form). There are lots of inconsistencies in the story reagarding the power of SSJ2 which don't seem to fit, and lots of proofs that ssj2 is much stronger than that. I'm not going to write about it now, but if this topic continues i will write for sure... because i'm not the only one who thinks that. Many people disagree with "officially estimated and acclaimed dbz facts". Maderfakers (talk) 09:00, February 8, 2013 (UTC)

^It may be because when we see SSJ2 for the first time, power levels are very high. It's like Janemba4eva said earlier, it "only" doubles the power but since a character needs to have huge power to achieve SSJ2, it is really something.

If we say that FPSSJ Gohan from Cell Saga was at 10 billions, then SSJ2 gives us 20 billions. It doesn't look like much, from 10 to 20. Goku was stronger than Nappa by 4 000 ? 5 000 ? And look how he destroyed him. And now we are talking about difference in billions. Perfect Cell could be at 11 billions, could be at 12,5 billions, could be at 10 billions and 1. Power level requierd for SSJ2 is very high, so when you double it, it gives you huge power boost. And that's why SSJ3 is so much powerful, as it multiplies x4. Oko500 (talk) 13:08, February 8, 2013 (UTC)

In Actual Perspective Edit

Vegeta was weaker than Android 18. After ascending, he was stronger than Cell after he had absorbed Android 17. Just put that into perspective. It is pretty much SSJx2. If Vegeta was weaker than #18, the power boost of that much is one android, which is stronger than a SSJ, and then some.