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== This is a fairly easy question to answer. It depends at what point in each characters history you are speaking of. If Superman went against him early on in both their development he would stomp him into the ground without breaking a sweat. While if they were both at the end of each of their development it is more likely that superman would walk away because he would recognize that by fighting him he could very easily bring about the end of existence before ever being the victor, but he would also know that Goku couldn't destroy him either. The only point where this fight would even be interesting is during the mid point of each of their perspective development because neither are immortal yet, and they are of similar power levels. The biggest problem with this question is there are an infinite number of supermen that the superman that was challenged to call upon to win the fight. Yes he can actually survive without the sun, or air for that matter. In fact once Clark hits the point where he dons the suit he is as close to immortal as is possible without being immortal. All interesting heroes need a weakness, but superman on red kryponite would no longer care about the happiness of anyone else and would be ok with bringing about the end of reality. Depending on which universe they are fighting in there are more powerful beings that either would take care not to piss off. -TLDR- Goku because superman would hold back as to not hurt innocents. 04:25, August 26, 2014 (UTC)Shadow Fight 89' Shadowfight89 (talk)

Not easy, but Goku because hes the best and superman is a big fat loser[]

Nope Gorky is poop Bold text

^These may be the greatest pieces of logic I've ever heard, well done.
DeidaraArt is an EXPLOSION!Deidara 23:58, April 27, 2013 (UTC)     wulf73 here,i think goku would win because he has too many resources at his side.think about this,when piccolo was training gohan to survive and defend himself,there was a point when gohan saw the full moon for the first time and turned into the ape with enough power to easily destroy planets.now,if goku were to summon all that power inside him and let it all go,poor superman would not know what hit him.or he could go to super saiyen god mode.either one is an extremely powerful and super awesome move.superman is known as the man of steel,right?,well goku in god mode or even ss1 can bend steel like it is just a piece of paper.
172.11.132.34 07:00, June 17, 2013 (UTC)masterwulf73172.11.132.34 07:00, June 17, 2013 (UTC)

Goku would win for sure because of of four words Super Saiyan God-Mode Superman isn't even a match for supersaiyan 5[]

Goku. No Doubt.[]

tae tae tae pinoy guko wins puke

tite112.203.178.107 13:52, March 28, 2013 (UTC)

Gotek[]

I think if Goku where a SS1 they'd be an even match, but if he went super saiyan 2 or 3 super man would would be in deep trouble. GohanSuperSaiyanMad-1Super Saiyan GotekTrunksFutureBusterCannonK

It will never end![]

This argument will never be resolved. Ever. Each side has valid points. Its like comparing Coke and Pepsi... Tokeupdude 15:36, May 19, 2011 (UTC)

RE: It will never end![]

I think if it were classic Coke they'd be an even match, but if he went vanilla or black cherry, Pepsi would be in deep trouble.

Goku is Way Better!!! Best debate for him[]

The only version of Superman that Goku would have any trouble with is Pre - Crisis Superman. This Superman has the ability to regenerate from any wound, can lift planets, destroy galaxies, move faster than lighter, and can go through a star with no serious inguries. Goku usually would have a majority of issues with this guy as his usual strategy of blowing into the sun wouldn't destroy him and as he would survive would be stronger. Its obvious Goku moves faster than light as well, especially with instant transmission, but this isn't to his advantage that much as Superman can handle most of Goku's attacks but he does have multiple aces that are likely to work. Kaioken might work even better in ssj4 as although Goku suffers from using Kaioken in ssj this might not be true as Goku did numerous other moves before leaving kaioken such as the kamehameha while he was heavily injured and he is always suffering from kaioken backlash. He is in his adult form, doesn't suffer any side effects that his ssj form gives and he has the physical benefits from his ozaru form in ssj4 which means he will be able to handle kaioken 200x, possibly 400x as he trained a lot between DBZ and Gt, like he used kaioken 20 in the frieza saga. Goku while in ssj4 and using kaioken 200x/400x would increase his power 100,000x/200,000x. It should be noted that, I stuck a carrot in my ass and as mentioned by Suguro Goku has enough power to light the whole universe while in base - ssj form. Goku has a complete fighting style while Superman doesn't and can sense where superman will be but superman can counter with mind reading. Goku's battle sense is equal to superman's intellegence. Goku can only be frozen once but Eis Shenron's ice may be better than superman's ice breath. Goku can also use all of Oceanus' techniques after he fought her. While in ssj4 form with a kaioken 200x he'd injure superman with all of Oceanus' techniques, though only minorly. Goku also has the 10x Dragon Kamehameha and he could evolve it to Kaioken 200 fold: 10x Wind Dragon Kamehameha by adding a kaioken and Oceanus' ultimate wind attack to the dragon fist part. If Bulma used the Blutz wave generator to heal and reenpower Goku he'd win. There's no doubt about that. In the battle he might even ugrade to kaioken 20,000,000 but he would probly suffer extreme damage and not be able to fight for a year after that even with Dende's healing. That would still kill superman if he used a kaioken 20,000,000 while using Kaioken 200 fold: 10x Wind Dragon Kamehameha muliplying the strength of this with his previous 200x kaioken rush.

While there is a slight suspension of disbelief in both series, moving faster than light would turn you into light/energy and you would cease to exist. If you didn't you would go back in time to a totally different time dimesion and lose by default. Goku's instant transmission travels him at the speed of light.

Wth are you talking about???

You would have to scale the level of power in Dragonball way down. It would not merge into a DC universe.

Even stevens![]

Well, it is obvious that this battle would be just as even as the number 2.If this battle had taken in outer space, Superman could use the Sun to make him more powerful which would put Goku in a troubled state BUT, Goku could go into a Super Sayian form or could go to SSJ4 and could have a friend by his side to help him.If there's one thing about Goku, it's that he never fights alone. BUT If we're talking "No interference one vs one" then we would have to think about this. I like D.C Universe and Shoen-Jump both equally and think that the two would both be easily matched and besides, why would Goku fight a fellow hero??? I've been watching Dragon Ball Z for a while and I am a huge fan.I'm more of a DBZ fan, and also if you noticed how in Mortal Kombat vs D.C Universe how Superman had the rage problem along with the other characters???So, I think that if Superman used the rage and the Sun while Goku used Super Sayian and Kaio-Ken (Like that other guy said) then this match would be never ending. They would probably just become friends over it and start to team up and become allies. Unless if the rage (From MK vs DCU as stated above) effected Superman and he would not leave Goku alone. Even though it is pretty obvious that if Goku was DBZK version then Superman would kill him by spitting on him. But if he were Cartoon Network version then he would own Superman, Because admit Dragon Ball Z Kai is nothing but a rerun of DBZ but they take out all of the swears.Nicktoons Network ruined DBZ for me in a weird way. But Cartoon Network version of Superman is pretty weak.. But, Goku and Superman would probably just have a beer and settle this in a good ol' game of rock paper scissors.

From the Guy who gave the best debat for goku[]

If superman turned evil and fought Goku to the death, thn Goku would use the ssj4 kaioken 2,000,000x and every othermove I stated before and he would win. Goku would definetly win and if he almost dies it'll be made so Goku unlocks a new power, kaioken infinityx and only uses it for a few minutes but completely kills superman at the cost of his life.

Another from the guy who gave best debate for goku... LISTEN[]

Read the best debate for goku and the other one I wrote and deeply contemplate on it.


CONTEMPLATE!!!!!!

SHUT UP!![]

Can't we just all get along and agree that Chuck Norris would destroy both of them?

Chuck Norris and Superman had a bet. Whoever loses has to wear his underwear outside his pants.

There's your proof. ~Goku Jr

Chuck norris ftw

bitch please

Bulmas and vegetas surprise attack[]

what would really happen is goku would get his arse kicked by this galaxy destroying superman. Meanwhile bulma will be off with her newly made kryptonite radar. She collects the kryptonite makes a awesome green (kryptonite suit) suit for vegeta...vegeta turns ssj4 just for the sake of it...then smashes the living sh!t out of superman. the end



BooM! This guy gets it.

3rd from the Guy Who Gave The Best Debate for Goku[]

First lets just all agree to call me Wolf77xkaioken.

Goku can't lose at all and if he used Final Explosion, which its safe to assume he would as he's tried it thrice, and since he's going to die would use a kaioken x 20 google to kill him if everything I said before doesn't work out.

P.S. I'm only 13.

I do think Goku would win[]

Goku can destroy planets with his Kamehameha. I doubt Superman can destroy planets with anything. According to whoever superman may be strong and all, but Goku would win by a landslide.

Edit: You know what I'm going to keep to my life's devotion (Goku) and you do whatever you want so to me Goku would win and I have no desire for my blood to boil any more over this topic.

P.S. If we are comparing the animations, Goku would break Superidiot's skull with one blow.

I think Goku would win.[]

I've heard that superman was stunned by a supernova if this is true then goku would win hands down because ssj Trunks caught a supernova and Goku is much stronger by the end of DBZ let alone his ssj4 in gt.

It only doesnt end because of goku fanboys. superman is a god in his strongest state. goku is ssj4 in his strongest known state, a ssj4 not capable of universe busting. superman prime was practically unstoppable and invulnerable, as well as having no mercy and a genius intellect. goku is too nice and too slow to fight with prime. goku is hypersonic at best. superman prime survived the destruction of a universe.

^^ there's the proof

Yeah But Goku's strongest form isn't ssj4, Not counting fusions he has ssj5. He could also Instant Transmission Superman to a red sun which takes his powers and throws them in the trash, but there is a risk and he might take him to a blue sun, which I think x5's supermans power. I love Goku but Superman basicly has unlimited power so. Again Instant Trasnmission. ssj5 Goku is incredible. Superman is old and kind of boring. I think only, and only ssj5 Goku could win, and only in that state of ssj5. 24.1.31.188 02:37, May 23, 2013 (UTC)ssj5 gogeta


SSJ 5 IS NOT REAL!!! SSJ 5 is from a fan made manga called dragonball af. It is entirely fake and anybody who thinks it is real needs to get his facts straight. However Goku still would win. You see SSJ4 is more than powerfull enough to some galaxie busting. But if that isn't enough he can go SSJG on command. He did it at the end of BoG. Also everytime he goes SSJG he absorbs most of the power than he is almost as powerfull as he was in SSJG last time in his BASE form. So all he really needs to do is go god, loose god, go god again, and than in his base he could do a number on Superman Prime, but if it wasn't enough than he could go SSJ 1-G again and completly reck superman. Sorry but after he goes SSJG a few times Superman has no chance.

Goku from Wolf777xkaioken/the best debate for Goku guy[]

Everyone remember the Bardock Special? Well in there it was shown that normal Frieza's death ball was enough to cause an explosion as big as a supernova and while post-crisis superman could go through a supernova minorly harmed there are attacks far stronger than death ball so we can say even post crisis superman would die from enough attacks from Goku if Goku used all his power.

Post crisis wouldn't be able to withstand repeated blasts from Goku. Pre crisis probably could though.

that last one's actually a really good argument[]

by the end of GT, or even DBZ, goku was thousands of times stronger than freiza was when he made the deathball. plus, i'm fairly certain universal spirit bomb could blow superman away.

The Sun doesnt Count[]

Sun is not coming from supermans durability.[sorry for bad english typing fast] Im not a physisict but if i were to guess supermans bodycreates enzymes that turn sollar radiation[light, any energy coming fromthe sun] into energy so his bodyhas a natural affinity towards the sun[as fucked up as that may be] so goku and the other law of physics abiding creatures of the universe dont mean anything when they die in the inferno that is a star plus the only star superman has done this with is earths so if they fought on namek [3 suns if it does work, Oveload!!!!] the scale wud be how it should [ Goku in the fround superman flying] So in all Goku kicks supermans ------ Tjakari 00:56, June 15, 2011 (UTC)


This message has been brought to yu by Super Kami Guru. Naiiilll!!!! stop advertising and wash my jowels and that was Nail's LAST day on the job Tjakari 00:56, June 15, 2011 (UTC)

Superman is too overpowered[]

As much as I like Goku, I cannot help but feel biased for Superman as I it was Superman that helped me realize I am gay. And with homosexuality, comes emotion, and with emotion, comes power. I believe deep down inside that Superman is gay too. Nothing can stop us.     -- "This is the greatest thing ever said in this debate"

Tyler[]

This subject, "who's stronger Goku or Superman", isn't worth an OVA, much less one made just to settle this, wow, very crucial question.

Superman story has no end. Superman is a character with 60 years worth of stories. It's an infinite story, that has no timeline, no end and no age and so does the Superman. Son Goku gets old and his story ended, Superman's story is reset from the beginning and told again and again and again and doesn't have to make any sense at that, they'll just get any excuse. If Superman's story had a real timeline, the way Son Goku's story had, Lois Lane and the majority of the characters, including Superman himself, would already be very old at this point... Would already have children and stuff... Like Son Goku, who's a grandfather by the end of the story, and his granddaughter is already almost a teenager already.

In one of those stories, of the infinite stories created and that will be created about him, maybe Superman is more powerful than anybody. Maybe he's a freaking God, actually invulnerable, untouchable and can blow up entire universes with billions of galaxies in a blink of an eye.

Son Goku lives in an universe that isn't like ours. His "Earth", isn't our "Earth". Which nationality is Son Goku? There's no USA or China or Japan, or any of our countries or languages.

It's a fantasy world, much like the Middle-Earth in the Lord of the Rings. Superman's world is clearly, our world. There are obviously, some differences, but the setting is our universe, with people like us, with the existing countries, planet Earth and everything. From that, I think the comparisons are really tough to be made. The physics and everything in Son Goku's universe might be totally different and looks different, by the look of the poi-poi capsules, gravity machines, etc...

That doesn't even matter. Can you guys realize that your discussion is never going anywhere and you guys are just discussing as in what is called "mental masturbation"? I'm not even saying that comparing characters like that isn't worth doing, but this discussion in particular is an example of what gives the meaning for the word "nonsense".

You seem to miss the idea of "having fun", good sir. Your responce wasn't really worth all the tl;dr, since you could basically just say, "Don't argue because I think this is pointless," just as easily. No one expects an OVA out of this, no one expects their debate to sway someone else's opinion; we're doing this because it's fun to speculate. This is one of those things where you can just as easily not involve yourself in if it bothers you. There's nothing wrong with having fun putting two imaginary characters together and having them battle. Once again, it is for fun; we don't expect Goku or Superman to win, but we can give our thoughts on what could happen. --DARK 18:54, June 17, 2011 (UTC)

JoshuaSmith[]

i think overall that goku is the better character. I dont care about the whoes stronger crap. Goku is very charismatic, funny, and optimistic. Despite what everyone says Goku is actually a very smart person. He had the patience to learn martial arts as a kid. Goku doesn't have a killer instinct. He always gives villians another chance to turn good if he can. He is very loyal to his planet and friends, as well as other planets (Namek).

Like the guy above said, THIS IS FOR FUN, and your opinion is based on what character you have followed more closely.

Me, I just like Goku better because I read all the manga and I've been a Dragon Ball fan longer than a superman fan Posting under "Alex"

Saw this on the WoW server status forums earlier this week and decided to copy/paste it here


"I did my research and solved the question once and for all. Please read quick facts that proves everything.

In one of the first Dragon Ball Z series, Raditz visits earth, he scans the power level of a normal human man which was 5 power level, lets call it PL. (Raditz had a PL of 1200 then)

After some research Superman speaks his lift is around 100 tons = 100,000 kg = 220,462.262 pounds.

An average human (not power lifter, gymrat etc) can lift about 40% of his body weight as max (straight up in the air while standing)

An average person weighs 80kg, 40% of 80kg is 32.

100,000kg/32= 3125, superman can lift 3125 times more than a normal person = strength of 3125 men

Remember, 1 average person has the PL of 5.
5x3125 = 15,625

Superman's power level is 15,625

In conclusion, Goku can beat Superman after training with King Kai. After that Goku can reach a PL of 16,000 with Kaiokenx2

In the episode "Over 9000" Goku could reach PL of 40k if he used Kaiokenx4 but only with Kaiokenx2 he could beat Superman."


^And there ya have it. Again, not my work saw it elsewhere and thought it was hilarious.

To JoshuaSmith[]

He isn't really smart, I don't know if it was in the anime, but Roshi had to teach him some things before he was taught Martial Arts.

^^^Roshi basically tought him how to count, which is irrelevant to fighting, Goku is smart when it comes to fighting and battle tactics, just not numbers.


^^^ Just called a warriors instinct. It is in his blood. You fucking worthless piece of shit.

Simple[]

Easy answer, Goku. If he reaches SS5 (http://dragonball.wikia.com/index.php?title=Forum:This_is_what_Super_Saiyan_5_must_look_like.&t=20110618014228), he can pwn him in speed and strength. And loool to the guy that said "mental masturbation". Looool. Firebo14 13:20, June 18, 2011 (UTC)

And also...[]

Goku has sexy shiny golden hair... and that pwns superman anyday.Firebo14 13:27, June 18, 2011 (UTC)

Lets look at this for a minute[]

ok ok lets tally up they're stats, we will be comparing superman from the animated series vs. base form goku, and pre-crisis superman vs. peek ssj4 goku

1. speed

Goku, at the end of dragonball z, can break the light barrier in all forms. In comparison only the most recent incarnations of superman can do so, however at his fastest superman has been able to break the time barrier, (which in DC is the level after light). So in speed it's safe to assume that superman, at his peak, is faster. However, this is irrelevant because if they are fighting at post light speeds they wouldn't have a physical form or least not a tangible one. Also, this power is typically reserved for traveling because fighting at the speed of light would be incredibly impractical since being able to travel that fast doesn't translate to being able to predict/track your opponents movements if they to were fighting at light speed.

2. strength

Both superman and goku have to make a conscious effort to not destroy the earth involentarilly, but we will be looking at two different kind of strenghts. As far as physical strength, superman takes the cake on this one. He is able to move entire planets, and more impressivly, but unfortunately less known, has lifted object the size of solar systems, and greater. Goku, at his base form, has stroggled with 20 tons, but this is inconsistant because he has shown the ability to lift larger/heavier objects without touching them (don't ask me how). But if measuring strength on a raw power scale, goku would wipe the floor with superman's ass, do I even have to give examples? Superman emits an aura but it doesn't even get discharged up to a centimeter form his body. So in strength, Goku would win, the reason being, he's defeated enemies physically stronger than him countlessly. Not to mension his ki energy can do a heck of a lot more damage than a super-nova, which have consistantly been able to knock superman unconscious.

3. Durability/Indurance

In indurance superman wins since his body doesn't secrete any fatigue toxins, were as that was the main reason the androids were able to go to town on the z fighters. I mean, sure all the sayians (with the exception of pan) would be able to decapitate any one of the androids (with the exception of super 17) but only because of they're ability to produce greater amounts of energy than the androids can generate, they still have the ability to fatigue. Now in durability I'd have to say goku would win, crazy right? Maybe not, In theory the answer should obvioulsy be Superman just because he's fucking involnerable, but in practice, the answer is going to be goku. Superman, not superboy prime, gets knocked out from supernova's, and, although he is always holding back, has been rocked by fellow members of the justice league(green lantern, wonder woman, icon, captian marvel, etc.) let aloen other villians, and may I add that the league only has like one other member aside from superman who is able to shatter whole planets with only his bare hands, (for those of you who are guessing I'm talking about Icon). Now goku on the other hand, It's just part of his daily routine to go up against an opponent who can shatter worlds, incinarate solar systems, or simply blow shit up just by looking at it. Sure Freeza said that goku wouldn't be able to survive the destruction of planet namek because sayains can't survive the vacuum of space, but this is incredibly inconsistant because goku has flown through space like 20 times, so has vegeta, and even goku's old man, who not only flew laps around freeza's orbital troops but was just standing there breathing in the nothingness of space.

4. Perseption

Ok, now I know most of you fanboy's will be screaming Goku's name, right about now, but the blunt fact is...your right. Ok, sure superman not only has the ability to hear a pin drop on the other side of the planet (and solar system) but can also block out all other sounds and tune in specifically to that. Sure superman can see stuff happening on mars, sure superman has molecular level vision. But all that pales in comparison when you think about how goku has been able to read people mind who were on the other side of the galaxy and, get this, in another fucking dimesion. Wait, I'm not done yet, He's also been able to scout several galaxies at a time for someone's specific energy wavelength, and was able to zero in on it so he know's exactly were that indivdual was. Now sure, at first he needed to use king kai to amplify his powers, but towards the end of the series, and in dragonball gt, he was able to do so effortlessly.

5. Ace in the holes and weaknesses

Superman has the sun and his mental barriers. For those of you who don't know superman has set several mental barriers that prevent him from going over a certain level, for fear that he doesn't split the earth in two when he takes a step, or cause a 10.0 quake when he cracks his knuckles. or cause an atmospheric vacuum by yawning, well you get the idea. However, little known fact is that goku also actively regulates his power, maybe not exactly on the same level, but just to keep himself from accidentally killing his oponent (and most likely everyone in a 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,0000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000x mile radius). Now except for the sun, supes doesn't really have much else. Now goku, he has the kaioken, supersaiyan(s) (and everything that intitals), great ape, fusion(s), sensu, and I'm pretty sure I'm missing a few. Aside from this, saiyans have the unexplained ability to double there powerlevels after every near death experience, plus goku can, more so than any other character except maybe gohan, acctually increase his overall potential through training and hardwork. Now when talking about weaknesses Superman is so incredibly famous for his, so much so that saying "kryptonite" has replaced "achilles' heel", good job supes, you've gone down in the history books for having a red button. Goku on the other hand, had his tail, which was a duel curse and a blessing, a blesisng because it is a saiyans source of power as well the key to turning great ape, a curse because it's they're only weakness once grabbed, unless you've trained the tale to be tough, like nappa and vegeta. (also I came up with this non-cannon, most likely false theory that the tale prevents supersaiyan)


Now, with all this knowledge, who would win? well none of this stuff matters, because, as some of you may have noticed, I left a little something out. Just a small deciding factor....THE DRAGONBALLS!!!!!! Yup, because the simple fact of the matter is, Goku has already died, TWICE! (as has superman) but even forgetting all that, he could just wish for something that would handicapp superman. Note that Porunga is more powerful than shenron, and as a result his only limitations are wether or not he wants to grant the wish.

goku is an eternal dragon. he is ETERNAL.


Let the war be over! Soon enough screwattacks death battle is going to decide the winner.

Ki Monkey

Goku PWNES Super man and the internet[]

Super man is like a computer and the sun is the internet, without the sun he would Suck and get PWNED and even with the sun he would still Suck and get PWNED. That means Goku is waaaay better than a computer without internet =)

Goku by far.[]

Goku is much stronger than Superman, Goku by the end of Dragon Ball Z has the power to destroy a planet with a single blow, you can't argue that superman is faster because Goku can teleport also, and even if superman was stronger than Base Goku, which he isn't, Goku still has the Super Saiyan transformation, and Super Saiyans 2 & 3 also. Superman can't even touch Goku.? SSJ3Vegetto (talk) 15:12, November 22, 2012 (UTC)


how do you hurt someone who is invincible? 

Hard to tell...[]

Superman is too inconsistent due to having tons of writers. In addition I prefer character development over just slapping on powers on a whim for the maximum awesome. However, in light of both since I am a fan of both I think goku will win due to the fact that he has extensive martial arts training and that he is a warrior race--to fight is in his nature. In terms of speed, power, and durability, Superman and Goku (in SSJ2) are pretty much even. However, Goku's martial arts training gives him an edge against Superman. Superman might have gotten some training as well, but it has not been covered or written about as extensively as Goku's.

I would say it is about 50-50. Anything could happen, but all I know for sure is that we wouldn't live to see the end of it.

Superman would[]

while goku is extremely powerful, he would not be able to even hurt superman whose only weakness is magic and kryptonite. goku cannot use magic and if anything, the ki blasts are a form of uv light which would help superman. the only way he could defeat superman would be with the powerpole. 

Yellow sun rays, not light. Power Pole is a magical item. --DARK 02:32, December 25, 2012 (UTC)

Forget it already.[]

If Toriyama said Goku could explode the entire universe with a flick of the finger, Goku would win. Characters are only as strong as their creators want them to be. I think we should base these on who's the better character overall.Sasuke gif..Chi.do..ri...Talk.to..Me.. 02:36, December 25, 2012 (UTC)

GOKU![]

Ok, well goku trained in gravity fr mor intense than earth's, and he actually has energy attacks. he practically destroyed namek! he transformmed into another being by fusing with another! Goku would win, easy.

You are made of stupid. --George Takei

3 easy steps to victory![]

They have over-powered and under-powered Superman so much through the many incarnations of the Superman franchise that it's impossible to really say if it's a question of who's stronger or faster. That can be argued till the cows come home. But it still doesn't take away from the fact that Goku could defeat Clark in 3 easy steps.


  • Step 1 Grab a hold of Clark
  • Step 2 Instant transmission to a planet that orbits a red star
  •  Step 3 Win = D  

It's not like they'd ever fight though, they're both you know goody two shoes, and all that. Seripa-chan (talk) 01:44, January 7, 2013 (UTC)


/\ Goku can only teleport near a ki he has already sensed before, he can't teleport anywhere.

Sandubadear (talk) 17:12, January 8, 2013 (UTC)

Next Time on DEATH BATTLE![]

Who here hasn't heard of Death Battle? Death Battle is Part of Screw Attack, A video Game and Entertainment News web site, where these two guys (Wizard and BoomStick) do the research and settle the fight so you don't have too. They already did one with Vegeta, and coming soon will be the Big One! It was suppose to come out on Dec. 21st but has been delayed due to issues with the animator, but check out the other fights you might see something you like! So why settle it here when we can let them do it for us? Besides... as much as I like Goku, I think Super-Man would win.

KCruzer (talk) 19:46, January 8, 2013 (UTC)KCruzer

Keep In Mind...[]

Let's keep in mind if some of you is waiting on the premier of SuperMan vs Goku on "Death Battle" on YouTube, that those guys are ruling out any kind of assistance. Meaning I'm sure they won't let Goku use senzu beans...its gunna be a str8 up fight to the finish. No fusions...none of that. I think maybe it would end with a draw. Maybe.....but then again, Goku has a few tricks up his sleeve. Jus a quick review of some of Goku's arsenal, he has the spirit bomb, which is what? A bunch of energy gathered from every living orgasms/life form. Will superman give Goku time to even charge up that attack?...Prob not..we all know Superman attacks head on. So in that case if I was Goku I'd use one of the most reliable techniques he has..."Instant Transmission"....I would prob teleport Superman to another far away planet giving me time to gather energy until Superman finds his way back to earth, then let him have it. Also Goku's Kaoken attack would work for him also giving him more speed...but we all know that technique wears out Goku quick. But overall I think Instant transmission would really help him out. If I'm not mistaken, Goku can read minds...remember he read Krillins mind on Namek so he could see what events took place. But he touched krillins head to do it. If Goku could read minds from a distance without physical touch, then he could easily read supermans mind to try to find out what his weakness is. Which is kryptonite. So once again, using the Instant Transmission he could visualize what Kryptonite looks like and teleport Superman there or teleport himself there grab it and return back. Lol Sounds silly...but that's just what I would do if I was Goku. Now we also know that Superman is weak against Magic. And I don't think any of Gokus attacks has anything to do with magic what's so ever. Now..if Superman was to go against Babidi he would have a hard time cuz he uses magic and easily control Supermans mind. At the end of the day Goku is a worthy opponent...but...I think he might have competition with the man of steel. HURRY UP DEATH BATTLE....

One way Goku could win...[]

the only way goku would win would to be to instant transmission superman to a planet with a red son and cream him there. otherwise, superman wins. sure goku is strong, but superman, under a yellow sun, is literally invincible. he doesnt have to breathe, can only be hurt by kryptonite and magic, and has the strength to benchpress 2 planets with relative ease, and if he goes into the sun for 15 minutes, he will become 100 times more powerful than normal and knowing goku, he might think that the only decision is to send him to the sun (he wouldnt know better). and while goku ss4 is very strong, you cant hurt someone who is invincible.

http://www.screwattack.com/shows/originals/death-battle/death-battle-goku-vs-superman

Watch this, and no crying, people who say superman cant do anything obviously know NOTHING about him, i like them both, superman is ALOT stronger than alot of people know, so just watch this link, it is a super indept description of them both, then a final epic battle between the two, then explains why one one and one loss, also it cannot add in the future goku because there would be to much speculation, same as they would have to do with future superman, whom is basicly a god, so hopefully his endds the debate and have fun living your lives


/\ This was based on Superman Prime, that isn't even fun. He has godly powers that he is able to hold black holes and rip dimensions. The cartoons' Superman (as of Justice League) has no chance with Goku.

Sandubadear (talk) 19:29, January 17, 2013 (UTC)

They measured Goku wrong!!![]

I saw the Goku versus Superman fight.  And Superman won.  In a way, I'm alright with that.  I can see how the Infinite Mass Punch amped up from Superman's few minutes in the Sun was able to obliterate Goku's SSJ4 Dragon Fist. 

But, his speed was WAY OFF!!!  They were calculating his speed with his base form from the SAIYAN SAGA!!  His Durability seemed alright, but there was something funky about his strength and his speed was TOTALLY WRONG!!  Goku has gotten millions of times faster and stronger by the time GT came along.

They placed Goku's SSJ4 speed at about 2.5 Billion km/hr.  WRONG!  He should be at least 289 QUADRILLION km/hr!

My explanation is as follows...

Goku's "Non-Kaioken" maximum in the Saiyan Saga was 8,000.  His Snakeway speed was 11,000 km/hr.

By GT, Goku got to a much higher level.  On Namek, his SSJ form was at 150 Million.  His Base Form by GT was very likely several times over that.  Let's go with a lighter number like say...900 Million at base.  Now let's bring that 8,000 number from earlier into the equation...

900 Million/8,000 = 11,250

Now multiply this answer with the Snakeway speed they gave in the Death Battle.

11,250 x 11,000 km/hr = 123,750,000 km/hr (New speed)

Now add in their "Gravity Formula" but I'm only going for the max speed at SSJ4 so I'm multiplying the 586 x 50 x 2 x 4 x10 into one number which comes out as...2,344,000!  Now multiply that speed with this formula!

123,750,000 x 2,344,000 = 289,949,000,000,000,000 km/hr!!!!!!!!

That's over 268,000 times faster than the speed of light!!!!

Totally agree. I mean think about it SSJ2 Teen Gohan's speed was so fast it looked like teleporting which is Instant. And Raditz was stated to be faster then light. So in all honestly Goku would win but it would be close. He'll have a lot of trouble until he goes SSJ2+. Superman can pick up planets. Well tell me Screwattack how does Lifting Strength = Striking Strength? Guess what it doesn't? Also Superman has a slow reaction time. Although using static electricity to pick up a black hole is impressive. But as I said that's Lifting Strength. When you think about it speed is the biggest thing here beside from experience. And Goku is far faster then Superman being many times faster then light. Don't get me wrong I don't underestimate Superman's speed but SSJ2 Teen Gohan >>>>>>>>> Faster then Light. All it was that Screwattack is biased and is only using this for jokes. I mean they're a website about Comedy. All of there battles is likely joke battles.User:Destroy Us All|What are you so afraid of Cell?Gohan Super Saiyan 2 08:56, July 20, 2013 (UTC)

Bases of measurements wrong for video[]

Folks Goku absorbed all the dragon balls in GT. By default Goku is magic or is magical in his essence. Not mention he is at SSJ4. He has instant transmission at his disposal and can send superman any place he likes... say. Red Sun. And kryptonite is. Just a rock.. its the radiation that weakens him. So Goku could easily create a energy been that would emulate kryptonite. So while the battle would be long and fierce I give Goku the very slight edge. The dragon balls will help Goku get the win.

You forgot one crucial weakness of Goku. He doesn't like to fight people at disadvantages. So even if Goku transported Superman to a red sun, he probable won't go any further than a super saiyan.


Three things:

1. We have no idea what effect absorbing the Dragonballs has on Goku. Absorbing them doesn't grant him any power we can identify, so saying he's magic just because of that isn't possible.

2. How exactly would Goku learn Superman can't absorb the light of a red sun? Unless Superman starts the fight by listing out his weaknesses, Goku has no way of knowing that and exploiting it.

3. Again, how would Goku learn Superman's wekness to Kryptonite without someone specifically telling him? Also, since when does Goku have the ability to emit specific forms of radiation from his Ki blasts?

BlueMew1234 (talk) 16:49, March 19, 2014 (UTC)BlueMew1234

Bases of measurements wrong for video[]

Folks Goku absorbed all the dragon balls in GT. By default Goku is magic or is magical in his essence. Not mention he is at SSJ4. He has instant transmission at his disposal and can send superman any place he likes... say. Red Sun. And kryptonite is. Just a rock.. its the radiation that weakens him. So Goku could easily create a energy been that would emulate kryptonite. So while the battle would be long and fierce I give Goku the very slight edge. The dragon balls will help Goku get the win.

Hahahaaa Gokuu[]

Goku can annihilate superman with a kamehamehaa hands down, superman can land hard blows on goku but he does not have ki control, and goku is much faster than superman too ! so i bet my money on Goku he'll finish the job within 5 mins or so

Goku[]

Well I have been working this out, let us take it from the start. Superman can stop bullets Goku can surivive lava and death balls everything thrown at him, even if he looses he could nearly die then come back stronger.


If that isn't enough what can superman do? Does he know any fighting styles? No Goku does, he knows what to do in a fight and I really think he would win.


And the fact of the sun teleport to red sun bam done

Goku wins, come here and respond to me if you think otherwise.[]

http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Geti186/Goku_vs_Superman_-_Continued

Come here, Superman fans, or Screwattack supporters, for those who think Superman Wins. I'll be waiting.

In time...[]

Oh, you may say that Superman will pawn Goku because of the so called "Superman Prime", and yeah he's pretty powerful...- "Superman Prime is the second most powerful being that has ever existed in the DC multiverse only surpassed by The Presence. He has acquired countless powers and abilities from his travels and lineage that allow him to do almost anything he wishes, which range from teleportation to the manipulation of magic and warping reality. He can manipulate time, space, matter, and bend reality on almost any scale he wishes."-... But let me ask you this, how much time did Superman have? Superman had about 700 Centuries (70,000 years) to become a godly prime. And how much time did you gave Goku? in just about 40 years, Goku went from the power level of 2 all the way to trillions. Now if I will give Goku 70,000 f-ing years knowing that there is and/or will be a being like Superman Prime... oh you already know how it is gonna end... Impossibear08 (talk) 15:40, February 17, 2013 (UTC)

A 70,000 year old Goku is not canon by any means and cannot be used for debate.  That's like saying, "who would win in a fight, Goku or Vegeta after Vegeta has trained enough to far surpass Goku in power and skill?"  Janemba4eva (talk) 07:23, February 18, 2013 (UTC)

Oh glob dang it, just let the two fight at equal ages, 40 on 40... Superman Prime vs End of DBGT Goku just ain't fair, its like a fight between a SS4 Goku (all out) and a day old Goku...Impossibear08 (talk) 10:15, February 18, 2013 (UTC)

Or if you can ask Toriyama to make an OVA showing Goku at 70,000 years of age...Impossibear08 (talk) 10:47, February 18, 2013 (UTC)

A clash of the tides..[]

I am a diehard fan of all the Dragon Ball Z series[DB/GT included] as well as DC and Marvel comics. But I honestly believe neither Superman nor Goku would win in a fight against one another. They would beat eachother until neither could stand no more or until they realized the battle was pointless. But if they weren't fighting, I truly believe they would become friends, and rely on each other for future issues. They both are purely good at heart, and want nothing but peace and tranquility for all things in the universe. Goku would want to fight Superman though, mainly because... well.. he likes to fight[thnx to his saiyan blood] and besides, Goku never turns down a good challenge, but on the other hand, Superman would see that it would be pointless for them to fight[unless Goku threatened Metropolis which is highly unlikely], and that their battle would only damage the area they fought in for no reason besides the selfish gain of who is stronger than who.


Superman's ONLY weakness is Kryptonite but the lack of solar radiation from the sun can cause him to bleed and take damage more severely. And despite his otherworldly strength and body, he does eventually build up fatique. His strength is probably slightly more impressive than Goku's, Superman can stop a speeding locomotive with one hand, that's probably the equilvalent to 25-tons[with velocity] or more. He can also EFFORTLESSLY lift trucks, construction equipment, pieces of destroyed buildings, giant mechanical creatures/enemies. And his speed matches Goku's no doubt at all[albeit Goku has Instant Transmission]. That coupled with, freeze breath, laser eyesight, sonic hearing and telescopic vision, a temperature and terrain resistant body, as well as extensive knowledge of fighting with strategy[since most of the enemies he fights need to be outsmarted more than overpowered due to them using Kryptonite shields/forcefields and other such tactics to take on the Man of Steel]. Superman is probably the best choice for facing a powerful being such as Goku.


Now for Kakarot, we've seen this man move small mountains, catch giant pieces of planet Namek thrown at him by Frieza, punch people through said mountains, and there's no doubt that his strength can grow to immense proportions, but Superman starts out IMMEDIATELY with ultimate strength. But Goku needs to shout and build his strength up to accomodate the power needed to lift or move something of massive size, so when Goku needs to lift something heavy, he bends down, gets a good grip, and starts grunting ferociously but always picks up his target. Superman picked up a Golden Gate-type bridge in one heave[no grunting or epic music to get him through it] plus there were cars with people on the bridge. This is Superman's only real advantage, his ability to throw 100% strength punches all the time, while Goku must rely on his love for his family and friends for his maximum strength. Goku's speed is propably on par with Superman's, but Goku has teleportation and Instant Transmission which can give him the distance he needs or the burst of speed he will need in the fight. Now, Goku's main adavantage in the fight would be his ability to fire off his Ki as a blast[Kamehameha, Spirit Bomb, etc] and his EXTENSIVE knowledge of martial arts[although Superman's reflexs would still allow him to block attacks]. But the Ki blast would be no more than a flying haymaker or round house kick since his body is resistant to anything kinetic[basically anything that hits him riccochets away kinda like two of the same sided magnets pushing away from eachother]

The end fight would be devastatingly destructive, but it would ultimately come down to a test of endurance. Superman's stamina comes from the sun but before he has to rely on the sun for anything, his energy tank is probably double that of Goku's. And Goku's stamina comes from his Saiyan heritage and the needed safety of his loved ones and innocents[a senzu bean is always helpful too tho ^_^]

When u want to say Son Goku at his Strongest then u must say Superman too at his strongest, wich is Superman Prime 1 Million who can easily lift the entire Multiverse with 1 Hand and well better said he IS the strongest most Powerful being in the DC Multiverses.

So, Son Goku at the End of DBZ vs Superman Prime 1 Million?  Superman snaps him with his little Finger and Goku is shattered in his Atoms...


Superman Prime is not allowed here. A blow and Goku is dead. However Superman from the Justice League cartoon is so weak that even Krillin can battle him fairly.

Sandubadear (talk) 21:04, March 1, 2013 (UTC)

Goku wrecks him[]

If its pre crisis superman, goku might not win, maybe gogeta could but I dont know. But if its post crisis superman, I know for a FACT goku would kick his ass. And if this is superman from the animated series, justice league, etc. then goku would shatter his skull half a second at most.--Ssj3gogeta96 (talk) 05:18, March 24, 2013 (UTC)ssj3gogeta96


Goku wins. Even if its pre-crisis

1)Combat speed>>>>>>Superman

2) Striking force casually blasted through a 10x gravity planet, FAR greater than Superman's exhibited striking force(which fails to OHKO many things, and more importantly failed to punch holes through beings which are>>>>>>Cell Jrs>>>>>Frieza>>>>Frieza near-death w/o Ki>>>>Planet Explosion

3) Superman's additional abilities wouldn't help much. He has been consistently shown to suck in combat and martial artists, and he will fall to Goku here as well.


I didn't say he wouldn't win. I meant to say he would have more trouble with him because he's so strong, sorry I should've wrote it differently. But yeah goku would probably win against pre crisis too. I just wanted to talk about post crisis more because the death battle video by screw attack annoyed me because it was so off and that's the version of superman that people usually compare goku with--Ssj3gogeta96 (talk) 17:03, March 24, 2013 (UTC)ssj3gogeta96

Batman[]

Batman has defeated superman 4 times and he's human goku could kill superman in a with two fingers in fact those to fingers only have to have kryptonite superman isn't very powerful as strong as a train as fast as a built and leap buildings lame goku is trump

If this doesn't settle it I don't know what will.[]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyl97TG8jbA


It won't because its wrong and a lot of people don't know it yet--Ssj3gogeta96 (talk) 02:51, April 3, 2013 (UTC)ssj3gogeta96

"Math makes my brain hurt, so it's wrong!" --DARK 20:17, April 11, 2013 (UTC)

The Stuperdman fanboy's are truly legion...and pathetic.[]

Well the Stuperdman groupies are obviously as arbitrarily omnipotent as their idol....

Even the Death Battle Video admits that the writers of Superman basically do whatever they want.

So....Superman can't be beat because he just can't. They've rigged it so that he has ultimate power.

Unfortunately, as much as i hate to admit it, they were fairly spot on with their math, and figures....for that particular incarnation of Superman. Also the fact that Goku would probably not use Kryptonite in order to ensure a *FAIR* match is also logical.

As a concept of a story however, Stuperdman is a total fail. No amount of Christopher Nolan is going to redeem that fact either. The absolute hodge-podgery of the "Superman" universe makes trying to pin point canon next to impossible. It's a sloppy orgy of insipid pretentiousness. For my full rant on Stuperdman, go here..

ATLpunk (talk) 07:40, April 28, 2013 (UTC)

Well yeah, that's the point that many DBZ fans need to accept.  In Superman's strongest incarnations, he is just ridiculously powerful to the point where it's almost laughably stupid.  But just because it's dumb doesn't mean it doesn't count as official material.  Some versions of Superman would get owned by Krillin, but Superman at his strongest beats Goku at his strongest in a one on one fight. Janemba4eva (talk) 18:39, May 1, 2013 (UTC)

Superman prime can obviously beat goku and probably 99% of all other fictional characters but other than that goku does beat most incarnations of superman including the recent new 52 version that bench presses the earth for five days. I wouldn't doubt if he can beat pre crisis--Ssj3gogeta96 (talk) 20:58, May 1, 2013 (UTC)ssj3gogeta96

Effortlessly, mind you. He breaks a sweat, which he theorizes is only because he was out of the sun for a literal 5 days. He's fast enough to strike the Flash, who can easily move to near light speed, breaks Green Lantern constructs, and is smart enough to trap Lex Luthor in jail by challenging him to make a prison even he couldn't escape. --DARK 22:20, May 1, 2013 (UTC)

Boop

So Let's Try And End This[]

Alright, if you didn't already know, but alot of people a beaten Superman same for Goku. Although, Superman has been beaten by people who are weaker then him but smarter than him in... SMARTS. Batman for example, he beaten Superman numerous times because he is smarter than Superman in techniques. I would see Goku win Superman no doubt because he is Smart, Fast, Strong, and has alot of endurance. 


Goku FTW (Just Saying)

Yep, the guy who's read exactly one book in his entire life and thought marriage was a food is way smarter than the guy who cured cancer. --DARK 04:12, May 4, 2013 (UTC)

He's talking about his technique and knowledge of fighting. Goku is a genius when it comes to fighting. Goku would destroy superman and don't bring up the death battle video because that video was almost completely wrong.--Ssj3gogeta96 (talk) 07:31, May 4, 2013 (UTC)ssj3gogeta96

Superman's trained with Batman (arguably the greatest human martial artist in the DC Universe, possibly besides Deathstroke), Wonder Woman (the strongest of a race of giant women who were literally born to fight, as decreed by Athena, the smartest god of battle in Greek Mythology), Mongul II (an intergalactic warrior, eventual member of the Sinestro Corps, and a Justice League level enemy), boxing from Pa Kent (so much so that Mohammed Ali wanted to challenge him), and thousands of years fighting and training in Valhalla during comic book stuff. Whenever depowered under a red sun, he's still able to fight competently and win against powerful opponents with skill. Since he battles people who have a seemingly endless supply of Kryptonite, some even made of the stuff, he's going to have to fight better than, "Let's fly right at them and punch!"

Death Battle was right, regardless of the math making your brain hurt and your favorite character losing. --DARK 12:18, May 4, 2013 (UTC)

The math is what is one of the things wrong with the death battle video. They got their math wrong, they portrayed goku wrongly, and they didnt go nearly in depth enough with db/dbz/dbgt. Superman had been seen to be vulnerable to punches equal to his own or greater. Superman is able to shatter planets with punches. Goku can essentially do the same as super saiyan 2.

Because Superman was totally unharmed by all of Goku's attacks the entire video. Not like he was shown being just as injured as Goku throughout the fight with Goku taking the upper hand at several moments in the battle.

He can also withstand a lot of those punches as a ssj2. Did death battle include that? No they didn't. Now multiply that ssj2 power by 4 to get super saiyan 3. Super saiyan 4 is 10x super saiyan 3. What death battle didnt include here is the huge gap between dbz and dbgt. They multiplied ssj3 from dbz by 10 to get ssj4. Ssj1 in GT was as powerful as ssj3 in dbz.

There's no way to quantify what "training" is. What they did was take Goku's abilities that could be quantified and scaled them up using the Super Saiyan multipliers, giving a rough estimate to what he would be by the time of GT. Gero's bomb (the same that killed Goku when it was set off by Cell) was used to calculate his durability, which was stated to be able to destroy Earth, so Goku is going to die if a planet blows up around him (something Superman could survive). Regardless, Superman's strength is far above anything Goku has ever demonstrated.

Their calculations for his speed were wrong too. Supermans speed can be potentially infinite yes. But he can't just start moving several times faster than light in a second, he has to be accelerating for a long time. Goku on the other hand has all of his speed from the get go. Goku is easily hundreds of times faster than light. His fighting speed and reflexes are way faster than supermans. Supermans infinite mass punch requires him to be moving at the speed of light. Goku can easily avoid that attack.

This is all wrong. Superman doesn't have to build up his speed at all; he can move as fast as he needs to whenever he wants. There is no proof that Goku moves faster than light without calculations like the ones done in the video (which you say aren't correct, thus forfeiting your own argument). The Instant Transmission is the only thing that can outpace Superman because it travels at an instant and not an actual speed. The Infinite Mass Punch doesn't require Superman to move at that speed, only vibrate his molecules. He can move at any speed he desires while performing the attack, but that doesn't even matter, since both fighters were charging at each other in that moment of the battle.

Goku can wear down supermans durability and energy and then finish him off. And goku wouldn't just let superman go up to the sun, he's smarter than that. They portrayed him as being really stupid when he's actually a genius when it comes to fighting.--Ssj3gogeta96 (talk) 18:02, May 4, 2013 (UTC)ssj3gogeta96

How is Goku meant to "wear down" Superman? Goku did not let Superman go to the sun; he blasted him into it, just like he does with all his other opponents he can't defeat in a fight with his own power. Unless Goku wanted to blow up the sun, he had no way to stop Superman from increasing his power while sun dipping. He was very smart, though, as he took the time Superman stayed inside the sun to charge up the Spirit Bomb using energy from the sun, giving him the time he needed to form and absorb it.

Try again, please. --DARK 18:36, May 4, 2013 (UTC)

Superman does have to pick up speed.

Source.

And goku can be proved faster than light with better calculations than the one in the death battle video.

Do it, then.

He's been moving much faster than the speed of sound since dragonball too.

Where?

"How is goku meant to 'wear down' superman?" Like I said before, goku's punches are greater than superman's.

Punching a big rock apart is comparable to the guy who tows planets around? Good to know.

supermans been shown to be hurt from those kinds of punches. Supermans energy and durability go down when he is hurt.

Goku isn't? Is he immortal now?

And as fast goku already is, he has instant transmission. He can go through a fight just using instant transmission

No, he can't. It requires energy to teleport like that. He has never and will never Instant Transmission an entire fight. Even if he did, Superman would eventually see the pattern in his movements and intercept him.

And if this still isn't enough for you just read this http://www.screwattack.com/news/death-battle-erred-goku-vs-superman and I understand if its too long to read cuz it took me a while to read that but just know that goku wins. It even includes the group chat with wiz on YouTube.--Ssj3gogeta96 (talk) 18:54, May 4, 2013 (UTC)ssj3gogeta96

I've read the entire thing and it's obscenely incorrect. They take things out of context and use speculation and completely false assumptions to prove figures they make up on their own, which is what we call circular logic.

Are you kidding? They even left out the things that were considered outliers by some people. Give me examples of how it's incorrect. It was all feats and calculations. None of it was power scaling and assumptions--Ssj3gogeta96 (talk) 01:30, May 5, 2013 (UTC)ssj3gogeta96

Energy attacks:Goku's big advantage[]

Using energy attacks, Goku can have an edge.Undominanthybrid (talk) 13:25, May 4, 2013 (UTC)


No one from DBZ has ever demonstrated planet-moving strength, moved fast enough to travel through time, or shown any single-move galaxy-busting attacks.  Superman outclasses DBZ in strength, speed, and power.  Even though I'm a DBZ fan, it's clear that nine times out of ten, Superman would win this fight with the utmost of ease.  Janemba4eva (talk) 18:25, May 4, 2013 (UTC) 

The amount of ignorance here is..expected.[]

None of you have actually given a reason why Goku wins. Just that he can punch hard and shoot lazers and teleport.


Does anyone here actually know anything about Superman? As a big DB fan, I know and accept that Goku doesn't win at all in anyway. Sure, Goku can do SSJ god for a few minutes with help from his friends and Shenlong, but Superman has defeated ACTUAL Gods. SEVERAL of them.

Do you even read Superman comics? No? I guess your opinion is invalid then.

Name me a Raditz-level threat which Superman has defeated casually with a flick of a finger. Just one.

By that I mean a powerful tank which brushes off moon-destroying blasts from Goku/Piccolo with ease and mocks them for being too weak to even damage him, while speedblitzing them with casually hypersonic combat speed and incredible martial arts skill which would wipe the floor with Karate Kid, who owned Pre-Crisis Superman.Geti186 (talk) 12:50, May 20, 2013 (UTC)



....look below you if you don't want to be lazy. I mean right below you. Anyway, 1. I actually do read both comics. 2. If a god can be defeated that means that he is simply not undefeatable. It means he is just like a human, or alien, whatever, just with a lot of power. That is all. So the title "god" means nothing but really strong guy who because of his power maybe has lived for a long time, should have more experience, but that doesn't say crap about how he uses that experience. So god status doesn't count for jack squat on this topic especially when it is a matter of perspective. To an ant I may seem like a god. To a race of giants I may seem like an ant, and they may seem like gods to me, if not straight away, over time. Frieza I'm sure was deemed a god to those he oppressed, as soon as Goku beats him like Superman beat Darkseid, he is no longer a "god". Fickle huh? As Trunks appears he becomes a pathetic joke. Superman himself against himself, like Superman Gold compared to Superman Prime...you get what I am saying here? Now that I think about it, pretty much all the Saiyans proved themselves stronger than a supreme kai which Akira Toriyama has confirmed the Supreme Kais are the Gods of Creation for the DBZ Universe. And then the God of Destruction for Universe 7 is defeated by Goku in yet another "god mode"...get what I am saying here? All perspective, all opinion, nothing certain, just a fluffed up title that is defeated by change every time. Anotakueatingataco (talk) 20:13, June 11, 2013 (UTC)

Just why?[]

Why is it that this debate is revived time and again? Superman is utterly no match for *any* of the Dragonball characters beyond Nappa or Ginyu, depending on the incarnation. All "evidence" that is brought forward (such as Superman sneezing away a galaxy or something akin to that) is 1) Comical and meant humorously, which means that it does not count, 2) was only observed one isolated time only, as Superman is constantly re-incarnated depending on the writer and 3) is most certainly not on the power scale of Dragonball characters. Virus, the God of Destruction, Goku, Freeza, Cell... all of them where strong enough to destroy the entire Universe. (That was stated in the Japanese original. Quite from Kaiou: "Even the gods fear Freeza. Now that he has transformed, he is strong enough to destroy the entire Universe.".) DraculaCronqvist (talk) 23:19, July 13, 2013 (UTC)

I agree, I don't know why people keep reviving this forum. I'm kind of sick of seeing it on the most recent forums posted on--Ssj3gogeta96 (talk) 01:15, July 14, 2013 (UTC)ssj3gogeta96

I also agree, the reason this meant a lot to me is because even though I respected Goku more--I thought Superman may win because of how much about Superman I read and watched. But I also read and watched Dragonball and there was a little voice in my head that said "you may want to check that". I did, and the evidence is overwhelming. I wanted to present that evidence to show people, give just a glimpse, an idea of how overwhelmingly powerful Z characters are in many terms that anybody should be able to follow and understand. I know fanboys of Superman will not accept that, but I have effectively disarmed any logical reason for doubt by using the exact same reasons that people said Goku would lose---they can't say I'm wrong without just throwing away the entire debate and their own reasoning as well. I elaborated beyond that in any predictable direction. They can bitch, but now even at their level of understanding, they cannot disprove Z's power--just deny it, skip over it. Goku is the best, and now it is undeniable even for the most stubborn; all they can do is run from it. 371 undecillion megatons actually DEMONSTRATED in the manga and anime vs Superman's only demonstrated 320 octillion megatons Golden Age, and I went as far as Silver Age and showed that was beaten out by just Frieza alone. I even put together a fair fight for a future Goku at his improvement rate versus Prime, same time to prepare, Goku beats Prime. Hell, after this God movie he probably beats Prime in just 1/10th of the time. I'm not even touching on SSJGod, but I will say this: SSJGod beat a god that can destroy a galaxy in one go down to less than 30% of his stamina; his first time using SSJGod. And galaxies in DBZ are 4 in number, they are in reality quandrants of the UNIVERSE. So Goku nearly killed a god that could eliminate 1/4 of the entire universe 5 years before the end of DBZ. Such power would likely leave a void in him that Goku would fill and ultimately surpass because he is fucking Goku. So on second thought I'm thinking 1/100th of the time if not more.And if he CAN use SSJGod again, take that 1/100th and make it 1/1000th--imagine a SSJGod3 or SSJGod4. Yeah, I know what I am saying here;  I can see Goku doing Prime in in just 15 years, and I'm saying that would'nt even be a stretch. "Nice" gloves off. This is what he does. I'm done. Let the debate be done. But caution, any Super-fan wants to embarass himself, I could use a good laugh.--Anotakueatingataco (talk) 15:15, July 14, 2013 (UTC)

I read what you wrote above. I'm not saying superman would win but I seriously doubt goku can lift as much as you say he can. But it doesn't really matter. Also I agree that goku has the potential to defeat(not kill, defeat) superman prime if you give him more time to train. If you give goku 15,000 years worth of training he would smash superman primes face in in a second. Hell, give him 100 years and he will be able to beat him--Ssj3gogeta96 (talk) 14:50, July 15, 2013 (UTC)ssj3gogeta96

Do you think Goku at te end of Hero's Legacy could beat Superman Prime?  Kamehameha GohanSupremeKaiMajinBuuFat02 L SSGGokuKamehaR(ZBR) F 257-78 D Dbgtepisode60 294 15:25, July 15, 2013 (UTC)

Maybe maybe not. Think of it this way. The gap between Z and GT is 15 years. During times of peace, Goku, vegeta, and piccolo were stated to always be training. BASE goku managed to become as strong as he was in DBZ as a super saiyan 3. He did that in just 15 years. Although he did have that really intense training with Uub to help him. Still, can you imagine how strong base goku would be after a hundred years of training after the shadow dragons? thats just base goku too. Ssj4 multiplier is x4000. --Ssj3gogeta96 (talk) 16:11, July 15, 2013 (UTC)ssj3gogeta96

I just provided how much power science has determined it would take to open up a wormhole a man can actually fit through for 1 trillionth of a sec (which is why many scientist believe wormhole travel to be impossible). You can look it up. I calculated based on other scientific figures how much power it would take to be able to sustain it. That is where I got how much power a Z figther can dish out using fight science to multiply based on kinetic energy multipliers and compression of force. All can be researched. I didn't calculate how much he could lift. I calculated what would've been the power scale for what SSJ3 Gotenks did with his scream alone. Which means he is capable of more, and Goku even more. So in reality, I do believe Goku can lift more than that. Think about it this way. In DBZ they mentioned Buuhan being a threat to the known universe, Omega Shenron it took a Universal Spirit bomb (WAAAAAAAAAAY more power than anything I put here, even to destroy dbz sized galaxy is more than what I put here). Cell alone had the power to destroy the solar system in one blast (that alone including stars, the sun, moons, distance, bigger planets equates to more than just the sun itself blowing up if it were just our size solar system. Daizenshuu 7, which can be read online has Akira Toriyama confirming everything from the Earth to the solar system to the galaxies are much larger in size than our reality's). Kid Buu was more than a little bit stronger than Cell. Goku has surpassed Buu, eventually surpasses Buuhan and Omega. If Goku took every last bit of the power in SSJ3 and unleashed it all at once imagine. Now think about when he charged his finger calmly with his ki and fended off SSJ Trunk's sword, the same attacks that diced Frieza, actually even fiercer than those. Think about when he revealed that him and the others have to hold back their ki just to eat dinner in their house. They CAN and have used their ki just to reinforce their body not just to shoot energy attacks. So if they can produce this many tons in one blast, they can do it in a punch and yes, they can do it in a lift. If they so chose too. Math based on scientific figures, just because it seems like much doesn't disprove it, and yes it pretty much has been proven based on scientific research and data, I just presented it here; that is all. The rest comes from just watching and reading dragonball for lik 15, 16 years. And yes based on what I just watched DBZ Battle of the Gods and figuring how much Goku improves in so short time I think 100 years is mroe than enough to kill Prime. Anotakueatingataco (talk) 04:52, July 16, 2013 (UTC)

This will be one of those age-old questions...[]

This is one argument that will never be solved. Even if Jerry Siegel and Akira Toriyama themselves get involved, we'll never come to a definite answer. I have a bad feeling that instead of arguing science vs. religion or debating the meaning of life (not that I'm saying those are better alternatives), future generations will devote even more time than we do to finding out who's the strongest out of Son Goku and Superman. Whether that's a good thing or not, well that's another debate entirely. The only thing I can say is that Death Battle's fight was NOT fair. Superman gains power from the sun, and since the sun was present in their fight, Superman was at an advantage. They should have done it in that big arena where Death Battle's Link vs. Cloud fight took place. That said, I can see why they'd try and cheat the odds in order to find a winner, and they even commented on the result, stating that it took only one video for ScrewAttack to go from Dragonball fanboys to DC fanboys in the viewers' eyes, comparing it to their Mario vs. Sonic fight, where they said that it only took them one video to go from Nintendo fanboys to Sega fanboys in the viewers' eyes.

Goku couldn't come close to Superman[]

While I realize that this is a forum on a dragon ball website, many of you are overlooking one thing: Superman is invincible. He can be hurt only by kryptonite or magic, which goku is not. Superman cannot lose. Superman not even at his best can move pluto. And if you wanna use goku at the end of gt, then its only fair you use use superman at the end of Allstar Superman, in which he is essentially a god. While Goku is a great character, one who i like much more than superman, superman was designed to never lose. Superior strength, at least as fast as goku, having intense heat vision, and a ton of other powers, superman would no doubt win.  

Even super saiyan 3 will destroy superman[]

                       Greeting these are the official numbers.Alright we cannot use find the power of super saiyan or super saiyan god but super saiyan 3 is easily destroys superman in speed.The key determination of this fight is speed and durability not lifting strength and striking  power .Here is why.As stated by trunks,cell and goku.If the enemy has far superior speed and unless your power Is so massively different to tank the power of the strike it useless to have massive strength if you cant land a blow for shit.Supermans aresenal does not contain any effective range attacks.Other than his Eye lasers.However in the rules of fighting in Dbz your speed also tells everything about your attacks and ki strikes.But I been able to official calculate goku speed.However we cannot measure SSj3  because it more powerful than the supreme kais.BUT THIS AS CLOSEST AT IT GETS and easily defeats superman in speed.Now as the supreme kai HAS  said the kais are '1000 TIMES STRONGER THAN FRIEZA' THAT MEANS IN SPEED AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

We have accurate description of frieza power level and it massive.it 120 million.Go to frieza page for proof and Go to the supreme kai page  for the proof of the supreme kai statement.Now multiply that 1000.That over 1.2 trillion in the power level scale.

Now this is bread and butter.TO FIND HIS SPEED WE WILL divide 1.2 trillion by 5000.Now we place that aside.Okay goku traveled a million miles  over 28 hours at a power level of 5,000.That why we divide 1.2 trillion by 5000.We divide 1 million  by 28.It equals to 35714.28571428571 PER HOUR.Now we take the result of result of 1.2 trillion divde by 5000.it equals to 24000000.Now multiply  that with the other result.AND IT EQUALS TOO 857142857142.8571 MILES PER HOUR.WHICH IS OVER 1387 TIMES FASTER THAN THE SPEED OF LIGHT

VS

Superman speed at a estimation just to make a fair fight ;p.The estimaton is 21 times faster than the speed of light IT 20 BUT i ESITamted by 1 ;p.1386 VS 20.If speed is such a huge superior gap superman wont land a blow AND AS STATED ON OFFICIAL POST.SUPERMAN CANNOT FIGHT IN LIGHTSPEED GOKU CAN THIS WHERE GOKU HAS THE EDGE.SUPER CANT FIGHT FOR LONG PERIODS OF TIME HE SUCKS AT IT.That is goku greatest strength


You are aware that Goku's power level is only at 1.2 billion as a SS3, not 1.2 trillion. He's also at around 8000, not 5000, by the time he fights Vegeta. 

Your math doesn't make much sense. You are saying that by dividing your incorrect power level for SS3 Buu Saga Goku by an incorrect Saiyan Saga Goku's power level, then start doing more math based on random numbers, we get Goku's speed in mph?

Seriously, the logic makes no sense.

BlueMew1234 (talk) 16:26, March 19, 2014 (UTC)BlueMew1234

goku[]

the concept of goku and all other saiyans is that they are just an improved version of superman. while superman has only superhuman strength, saiyans  have  those and also a large variety of  energy attacks. superman only has a laser attack, which i dont think is a problem for the saiyans. if one superman fires another superman a laser, i dont think it will affect him.same case here

The fight would never happen because goku would sense superman's powerlevel and it would READ NO KI first of all... superman isn't using ANY KI energy just solar power. []

GOKU GOKU GOKU OF COUSE GOKU WINS

LET'S GO BACK TO DRAGON BALL when kid goku fight against master Roshi kid goku transformed in a big ape and master ROSHI destroyed the moon...NOW Let's see in Dragon ball z his Power level was around 100 to 150 Let's just say 200..EARTH is four time biger then moom so 200 * 4 = 800 . goku needs around 800 power level to destroy the EARTH THE EARTH ..NOW WHEN GOKU FIGHT against CAPTAIN GINYU HIS POWER WAS AROUND 1800000...NOT TO MENTION when he fight against freeza his power was even more


Now let divide and add some 180000/800  =225 and when he turn into super saiyen 3 or 4 just imazine

now in one episode of dragon ball z goku couldn't lift 40 tons of weight what you are thinking is wrong coz

when he fought against freeza and turn into a super saiyen the whole planet was about to destroy because of his power level and he use those ton not to carry like some shopping bag .He is not using his full Strength lol 

AND I DON'T THINK superman can survive 20 nova BLAST COZ IF HE COULD WHY DID HIS RACE DESTROYED AND NOT TO MENTION THAT THEY COULD SURVIVE IN SPACE

F**K

i say goku beets superman and goku beets chuck norris really chuck norris cant do all of the bang out of his finger


Not a very bright idea[]

The fact that you put this on a website about Dragon Ball, means you are going to get /very/ biased opinions. It makes more sense to go on a website like Reddit, where comic fans and anime fans are both on. Though, I did see a comment under "JoshuaSmith" that said "Superman can lift 100tons." which is completely false. In one issue Superman was holding up three times the earth's weight in the earth's core for a couple weeks (or something, I don't remember how long it was". This means he wasn't exposed to sunlight. The earth itself is estimated to be 6,585,000,000,000,000,000,000 tons, three times that is 19,755,000,000,000,000,000,000. I am not going to add who I think would win, because as I said before it was a stupid idea to post this here, but I just wanted to correct that because it was bothering me.

Superman prime[]

First of all superman can travel time, making it so that he could go back and kill baby goku, hince ending it. But in a fair fight superman would still will, he has to leave the solar system to just sneeze in his normal power mode. Not to mention the amount of lantern rings he can have access to. Also, all goku is is a mind barrier which he could topple over. And if allies get involved then batman would exploit gokus weaknesses, and give batman the cure to his weaknesses he found in the gorge comic series, not to mention the Staggering numbers of allies superman has, all the green lantern corp, superfamily, batfamily, plus all of the justice keague members that could split goku into differnt deminsions. Essentially making him invincible. Have you forgot how many times goku has died compared to the amount superman has? Superman has never died, including his fight with doomsday. He never past over, where as goku has. That and superman has overcome every villain he has encountered. Besides we all know goku is a Asian spin off of supermans story anyhow. And superman primes aura would destroy goku on contact. —This unsigned comment was made by Supermanalltheway (talkcontribs) on 05:18, June 11, 2014 (UTC) Please sign your posts with ~~~~ next time!

lol. — A (tc) 05:31, June 11, 2014 (UTC)

Goku vs. Superman(DC Animated Universe)[]

Since there are so many different versions of Supermen out there i will go with my favorite version of Superman. On a one on one battle it may take Goku to transform into a Super Saiyan 1, and 2 in order to defeat him. This is with both of them going full out. After all when Superman fought Darkseid Superman's strength level increased dramatically and knocked Darkseid through an entire City.

I mean Goku earned his strength and abilities naturally while Superman gained his through the Sun. In terms of Martial Arts Superman has shown that that is one of his greatest weaknesses. If someone is on the strength level as him. Example Toyman's Boxer robot was kicking Superman's ass until he learned the attack patterns of it since he himself had no formal training in Boxing, or other Martial Arts. 

Now Goku isn't a Magician but he does have long ranged energy attacks, Instant Transmission, and normal natural strength on par with Superman's. Sure Goku is a Planet Buster, but we all know Goku would never blow up the Earth. So he would have to defeat Superman probably using the [[[Instant Kamehameha]] 'that he used on CellStevemagegod (talk) 20:59, June 20, 2014 (UTC)'

This is the absolute worst place to settle which character is stronger[]

This is a Dragon Ball Wiki, not a debate function or battledome, so the results are going to inevitably be biased with impartial presentations of evidence. --CoolCat123450 (talk) 16:50, September 6, 2014 (UTC)

Exactly. Similar to how if this debate would be brought up on a Superman Wiki, most sayers would be biased toward Superman. OutrightUndead 16:52, September 7, 2014 (UTC)

Superman wins[]

Superman would win this Battke because I made Goku my bitch Goku isn't stronger than Superman one Supes took 15 suns in the face Goku can't do that Supes survived being squashed by two planets Supes held a black hole Supes beat a real God and that's Atlas uncle of Hades Zeus and Poseidon he even punched and fixed a hole in reality so fuck off DBZ fanboys Superman wins —This unsigned comment was made by Aaron.mcclendon.79 (talkcontribs) on 19:29, October 3, 2014 Please sign your posts with ~~~~ next time!

Its a tough one. First, I'd say we need to put them at their best, so this is "Superman vs Super Saiyan God Goku". Now, I like Goku way more, but if it was just brawn against brawn I'd have to say Superman has Goku beat, but only because we know Superman can move planets, and Goku has never displayed his strength in a comparable way and of that caliber. It's hard to compare their speed, but I'd think Superman is faster, as it's been said he can move at the speed of light, and Goku's fast but not that fast, but he does have instant transmission. Melee attacks aside, Superman has heat vision and freeze breath, but Goku has the kamehameha wave and it's different versions, spirit bomb, etc. Goku's can, also, control his attacks way more to make them more versatile, like guiding his energy attacks to chase after Superman. One question is "Can one's attacks hurt the other and by how much?". Ofcourse, I think Goku has Superman beat with this one, because Goku can put more and more into his attacks. Then, you have to ask "Could one land his attacks on the other?". All in all, I think Superman can attack faster and land more hits, but, I think if Goku could land a hit with his kamehameha, which with instant transmission he could, he could kill him. He'd have to either barrage him, very quickly, with energy attacks or obliterate him with a big attack like that though, because Superman has the ability to heal pretty much instantly. That being said, I still put my money on Goku.

I just remembered, Goku could just use instant transmission to bring Superman to a planet with a red sun, then Superman is SCREWED! Lol.

NO NO NO NO YOUR ALL WRONG  BOTH HAVE EQUAL POWERS BECUASE BOTH ARE EQUEVELENT TO A GOD AND SO THE ONLY LOGICAL WINNER IS BROLY if everyone struggled to kill him 3 times he will demolish superman and sayins can breath in space

I refer you all to this excellent video by Vsauce3.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-fL8zopddI

Goku vs Superman[]

Of course we want to say goku, cuz most of us didn't look at superman as our hero, it was goku. But its not an easy call, like death battle said, goku has limits that he constantly has to overcome, which makes him the better and more realistic character. Superman has no true limits, besides the ones he makes for himself. So its a true tough call, goku is a fighting genius, and one of his most basic, but useful attributes is the ability to sense ki, whereas, correct me if im wrong, superman does not, he relies on brute strength alone, so as for me its a stalemate, even if we ssj god and blue ssj god available to goku, we would have to use superman prime and i still think it couldn't be decided on calculations then

Unlike goku, superman is all brute strength and little training. Now true in some incarnations he's taught by batman or Wonder Woman, but neither of these are even close to goku in fighting prowess. Goku has had dozens of masters and has surpassed them all, he is a master of basically every martial art in the universe. He can use instant transmission (doesn't matter how fast supes is if goku can teleport) and even if superman is stronger than goku for the sake of the argument strength isn't everything. Goku outclassed supes in distance combat and due to his superior knowledge in forms of hand to hand has an advantage close up as well. I'm a huge DC fan but honestly goku is just too powerful for superman he has too much on him. Also depending on how long this fight takes and where it is, superman's solar battery will run out at some point so unless the fight is on a planet with a yellow sun superman is in trouble

They'd probably be even. Superman's been shown to lift up the Earth's weight, and has been shown to have still had greater physical potential. Comparitively, during the Namek Saga, we meet a character named Frieza that was capable of dishing out punches that could destroy planets in single hits, with Goku tanking every single one of them (as a Super Saiyan). With Superman's abilities being this great while being suppressed (by his own personally-set barriers) he should be right around Goku's physical strength (at least). Superman is said to always be as strong as he needs to be (which, while it is a cop-out, IS the way he was written) while Goku is always shown to overcome his limits.


Let's not forget that Goku can power up with his ki to increase his physical strength (like Master Roshi and Future Trunks) if he needs more power, or increase ki to better fuel his stamina (like he did when he drew his fight out with Cell) so he can last longer in battle. While Superman could just continue to draw energy from the Sun. Most likely, the two would be locked in an endless battle in which neither fighter would win because they're both so powerful. Saiyans are confirmed to always be getting stronger, throughout every battle, and as they take damage, their physical attack power goes up during fights to compensate.


I won't get into speed, durability, or any of that, because I still believe Goku and Superman are on definitively equal grounds in every aspect of their abilities. Superman can travel faster than light speed. So can Goku. Superman (in some incarnations) is powerful on a universal scale. So is Goku (he fought and held his own against universe-buster Kid Buu at the end of Z, so we know it is in his potential) and therefore we'd never seen an end. Most likely, the two would form a alliance against powerful foes (Goku would be drawn towards battle, and I'm sure Superman would appreaciate a reliably powerful ally). Just my thoughts.

Pre-crisis Karate Kid can hurt Pre-crisis Superman So don't look down on Goku ![]

Pre-crisis Superman was beaten by Pre-crisis Karate Kid ! And he HURT that Superman with Karate .

Comapare to that , Goku is a trained Martial Artist with his own Super stength & Super Speed , therefore he doesn't need planet lifting strength to fight Superman.

Just like Accelrator , physically he's the weakest ! I doubt if he can even lift a full grown human .

Yet , Even if Superman & Goku team up then they still can't put a scarcth of Fullpowered/awakened Accelrator due to his ability Vector manipulation

Also , Superman needs Sun for his power so if any DBZ character blow up the Sun then Superman is finished.

As for Goku , If he realize Superman get his Power from the Sun then all he has to do is grad Superman and use Instate Transmission to go on a planet without any Sun therefore cutting off his Power source and make it a fair fight where Superman must use his remaining Solar energy to fight Goku.

However I like to remind all of you that the Sun didn't prevent Superman's death by Doomsday .

Also Pre-crisis Superman lose his power on a environment similar to Kyptron. Base Vegeta train user 300 gravity to become a Super Saiyan however Super Saiyan Seem to immune from any gravitational field.

At the end , Superman is nothing more then a cheater who need the Sun to power him up ! Cut him from the Sun and he weaker then a regular human

Kinda Pointless[]

This is kind of pointless but I think Goku would win.

ALL DRAGON BALL SERIES FAN

It is easy OBVIOUSLY GOKU WOULD WIN CUS SAIYANS ARE WAYYYYYY STRONGER THAN HUMANS WITH SUPERPOWERS.

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