Forum:Super Perfect Cell vs.Demon King Dabura vs. Hildegarn vs.Janemba vs. Bojack vs Mecha Cooler vs. Broly :Who wins?

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Let's say,give Cell,Dabura,Hildegarn,Janemba,Bojack,Cooler,and Broly;the Planet Namek to battle it out;last one standing wins;battle to the death.Who wins?

First Cooler would die,then Bojack,then Dabura,then either Cell or Broly would die,followed by the other one.Janemba would win.------------Ucell

I'm going to say tie between Janemba and Hirudegarn. BrolythelegendFile:Broly 7.jpg 12:25, April 6, 2010 (UTC)

Has to be Janemba, it took a fusion to beat him where as Super Saiyan 3 Goku could not, where as the Hirudegarn was just a Super Saiyan 3  SSJ4 Lewich  talk  contribs  12:43, April 6, 2010 (UTC)

personally out of all the choices, broly is my favorite. but if i'm gonna be specific, i'd say janemba as it took the fusion of both goku and vegeta to beat him. hirudegarn was easily beaten by ss3 goku. but, unless u count in broly's ss3 form, then it may be a different story.TheDarkPrinceReturns! 14:10, April 6, 2010 (UTC)

Hirudegarn will own all. NomadMusik, the Underdog. 21:45, October 5, 2010 (UTC)

i think

my view on this would have to be Broly pulling off the win, with his ever increasing power and him only being defeated truly by being shot into the sun he is unstoppable, and with every fight saiyans get stronger. So he is my choice, and if for some reason things get tricky then my second choice would have to be Janemba

an interesting battle but

Broly is incredibly strong, in budokai tenkaichi 3, some of those character's punches don't even affect him like full power bojack. Out of all of them his DP points are the highest being 9/10 in tenkaichi 3 while the others are either 8 or 7.Cell, dabura, bojack, and cooler would easily die. Janemba doesn't have his homeground of hell so he'd die. Broly would easily tire Hirudegarn and then Hirudegarn would die which would make Broly the winner. Broly is stronger than super namek piccolo, ascensded super saiyan vegeta and trunks, and full power super saiyan goku and gohan. Gogeta and Broly have also been shown fighting in minor things like Budokai 3's opening in which Broly is beating Gogeta and then a wounded Gogeta attacks him with kamehameha. Gogeta is stronger than janemba which would make broly stronger than him. Hirdegarn is all bronze no brain.

Broly???

Are you seriously going to base Broly's power level off of some video games? The games are WAY too inaccurate. Broly is DEFINITELY NOT at a level of Janemba. It's almost a fact. Super Saiyan 3 Goku had a hard time with Janemba, and Goku around Super Saiyan 1 with some boosted energy from the other Z Fighters(might have boosted him to Super Saiyan 2 level, idk) defeated Broly no problem.

Broly would be decimated by Janemba. It's pretty much a final bout between Janemba and Hirudegarn. But then again, I'm only going to consider ONLY IF Broly if he lasts a long time, because of his unique ability of increasing his powers as he fights.

Think About This.

All Saiyans when near death and pushed to their limits get exponentially stronger, now think about this, Broly never got pushed to his limits in any of his battles. If he truly exerted all of his power just imagine how strong he would be. So he'd win!

Not Exactly...

I'm not using the game as a hardcore source, it was just an example for tiers in the game and Goku didn't easily beat Broly as SSJ1, he only "beat" him because he re-opened the wound Broly recieved as a child. If each character in this brawl is at their fullest then broly would probably beat Janemba because one of the major things that added to Janemba's power which made SSJ3 Goku had trouble was the ability to teleport and use Hell to his advantage when as for here it says Namek, Janemba is really strong don't get me wrong (he's one of my fav characters) but he can't fight in other environments - Banshee_Blast75

You Broly fans are ignorant. Seriously, Broly had no chance. Sure, the others would die except Hirugedarn and Janemba. Broly would get smashed by Hirugedarn's foot. And if that didn't happen, he would get kicked or blasted into the Sun by Janemba (who could control reality itself).

Janemba dosn't need the swirling, distorted, dimension disoriented Hell to defeat his enemies. He can do freakin' Lightning Shower Rain in any evironment, as well as teleportation, and even dimension sword slash (if he had access to the weapon). He is nearly indestructable.

1st of Mecha Cooler is not that strong he's well under Piccolo and weaker then Android 18 so Piccolo can beat Mecha Cooler so theres no way he could fight on par with Broly right? the winner of this battle is Janemba Soilder5679 18:22, April 20, 2011 (UTC)

well......

lets see Dabura would fail horribly at life, what would happen is he would own cell then get raped by 100 Bazillian meta cooler clones.

Cell would get ran over by a bus. even though i really like him as a charactor and he has the hyper regeneration of epic win, he would just get discombobulated by pretty much everyone but cooler.

meta cooler is alright, though the weakest. he does have the ability to just make infinite copies of himself, however still not being able to deal any damage would make him fail horribly by fact of just existing=/=winning, he wouldn't win, hoever he would survive.

Bojack isn't worth think about, he would fail, the worst, though stronger then cooler, he is weaker then cell, who is SSJ2 exact strength i'd argue by the end of GT.

hildegarn is strong and neigh invincible, as well as the space time phasing, but janemba would just eat him, literally in his first form XD

Janemba is holy God S*** strong, and can just remove things from existance at will, he can manipulate reality like a playtoy and honestly since he is more or less the master of EVERYTHING! he should have jsut destroyed gogeta, however the inly reason he didn't is because of the fact that since it's a DBZ movie, the god guys have to win, and even then it wasn't a total win, vegeta was still dead, The first fusion veku failed so badly it was hilarious, and seriously hell and reality was royally screwed up from it, as well as goku very nearly died, end of discussion.

Broly is hyper strong, he starts out as pretty much the second weakest though. he has the absolute invincbility, gets only stronger as time goes by and can only get royally owned by the sun. by bet is he would make it to the end only for janemba to blow him up by making a sun inside of him

The anwser to this is simple: Janemba wins, end of discussion, with the infinite meta-coolers being his playtoys for the rest of eternity. the only one with a chance for real against him is super buu, post gohan absorbtion and thats because:

A. both can manipulate reality at will

B. Buu can eat him and just straight win.

C. this Buu is literally the only one of his forms smart enough to not fail and do stupid stuff and lose.

A.

hirudegarn wins

"Has to be Janemba, it took a fusion to beat him where as Super Saiyan 3 Goku could not, where as the Hirudegarn was just a Super Saiyan 3"

goku only beat hirudegarn cos he was stronger than in movie 12, and had to use his strongest attack while exploiting hirudegarns weakness. janemba toyed with a weaker version of goku doesnt mean he can beat hirudegarn.

"hirudegarn was easily beaten by ss3 goku"

how is needing to exploit a weakness and using your strongest attack to barely win while hurt and tired "easily beating" him?

"my view on this would have to be Broly pulling off the win"

completely impossible. hes one shotted and squashed in seconds.

" with his ever increasing power"

doesnt exist. broly doesnt "ever increase"

" him only being defeated truly by being shot into the sun he is unstoppable"

hes very stoppable if three ssj1s was all it took to kill him, and he couldnt even take a punch from ssj1 goku

"Cell, dabura, bojack, and cooler would easily die"

cooler is practically unkillable thanks to his army of clones. cell and dabura defeat broly with ease.

"Broly would easily tire Hirudegarn"

hirudegarn never showed any signs he can be out of breath ever. he one shotted ultimate gohan and ssj3 gotenks. broly was beaten by three ssj1s.

"Broly is stronger than super namek piccolo, ascensded super saiyan vegeta and trunks, and full power super saiyan goku and gohan. "

and? goku stated hatchyack was stronger than broly and hatchyacks no match for ssj2 kid gohan who is no match for ssj2 vegeta who was bitchslapped and knocked out by hirudegarns tail alone.

". Gogeta and Broly have also been shown fighting in minor things like Budokai 3's opening "

doesnt count.

"Hirdegarn is all bronze no brain"

hes a good fighter when it calls for it. ultimate gohan couldnt touch him. ultimate gohan would kill broly with his pinky.

"because of his unique ability of increasing his powers as he fights."

you do know kid buu and cell are capable of that?

"All Saiyans when near death and pushed to their limits get exponentially stronger"

so why did vegeta get stronger after NOT being pushed to near death vs recoome, but gohan didnt get any stronger at all after being healed by dende after fighting buutenks and nearly dying?

", Broly never got pushed to his limits in any of his battles"

hes already at full power. so why would he power up further than 100%? and prove he wasnt fighting at full capacity. you cant. he had no reason not to when being pushed millions of miles to a star.

"he only "beat" him because he re-opened the wound Broly recieved as a child"

which is impossible as re opening a wound doesnt make anyone explode, nor does punching them in a place nowhere near the stab wound. he was punched in the gut and stabbed in the chest.

". If each character in this brawl is at their fullest then broly would probably beat Janemba "

IT TOOK GOGETA TO BEAT JANEMBA BUT THREE SSJ1S TO KILL BROLY! how is broly ever standing a chance in hell?

" Janemba because one of the major things that added to Janemba's power which made SSJ3 Goku had trouble was the ability to teleport"

goku can teleport too. and he still got almost killed without vegetas arrival saving him.

", Janemba is really strong don't get me wrong (he's one of my fav characters) but he can't fight in other environments"

prove it.

"1st of Mecha Cooler is not that strong he's well under Piccolo"

metal cooler has an army of clones and murked mssj goku and ssj vegeta (we know it takes place in the cell games cos dende is guardian.

"lets see Dabura would fail horribly at life"

he turns broly to stone then gets stepped on by hirudegarn.

"Bojack isn't worth think about, he would fail"

bojacks strong, he could match cell and survived being impaled by gohan and cancled out his kamehameha.

"but janemba would just eat him, literally in his first form "

who couldnt defeat ssj3 goku but hirudegarn would murk goku if goku didnt have dragon fist to save him.

" he has the absolute invincbility"

yet was defeated 4 times.

"gets only stronger as time goes by"

you mean weaker.

"by bet is he would make it to the end only for janemba to blow him up by making a sun inside of him "

you mean janemba just flicks him with a finger.

" Janemba wins, end of discussion"

hirudegarn crushes him.

"my view on this would have to be Broly pulling off the win"

completely impossible. hes one shotted and squashed in seconds.

"doesnt exist. broly doesnt "ever increase""

"My power's rising! Overflowing!"/"I'm getting stronger! Yes, much stronger!" anyone?

h"es very stoppable if three ssj1s was all it took to kill him, and he couldnt even take a punch from ssj1 goku"

Yet he could take several hits from two MSSJs, two ASSJs, and a Super Namek despite the fact that, at least power wise, ASSJ are better (since MSSJs are focused more on conserving energy rather than powering up, MSSJs are technically weaker than ASSJs)? First off, if he truly couldn't even take a punch from SSJ1 Goku, he certainly wouldn't stand a chance against either four SSJs and a Super Namek or two MSSJs, two ASSJs and a Super Namek.

"cooler is practically unkillable thanks to his army of clones."

Not really. As the film showed, the clones can only operate if the original Cooler doesn't crash. All Broly has to do is blow up the Big Gete Star, and thus the original Cooler, and they'll spontaneously self destruct, even if he can't handle an entire army of them. Besides which, Goku, Gohan, Piccolo, and Vegeta are far stronger in Movie 8 than in Movie 6, not to mention have new transformations (or in the case of Gohan, could actually go SSJ, never mind MSSJ) and yet they couldn't even beat Broly without donating their powers to Goku, it's a fair chance that he can wipe them out.

"cell and dabura defeat broly with ease."

No, not really. After all, Goku implied in Movie 8 that Gohan, even if he went SSJ2 (he's certainly capable of doing so, even if unknowingly, thanks to that ROSAT flashback in Cell's Mighty Breakdown), he'd still be pummeled. Besides which, why take care of Broly if Cell's more of a threat power-wise? As long as Goku and Broly never meet, there's no danger in risking him unleashing his overall power without his father. And as stated before, if Broly truly was weaker than Cell, why didn't they have Goku actually encourage Gohan to utilize his hidden depths and one-shot Broly instead of, well, telling Gohan to flee? As for Dabura, considering how he's officially stated to be at a similar level to Cell, I'd say he really doesn't stand a chance.

"hirudegarn never showed any signs he can be out of breath ever. he one shotted ultimate gohan and ssj3 gotenks. broly was beaten by three ssj1s."

Broly was only beaten by three SSJ1s out of luck. If you remember, Trunks fired a Ki blast that ended up blocking most of Broly's attempts of pushing the Omega Blaster into the Earth and blowing it up. Had it not been for Trunks' action, it was fairly obvious that the Omega Blaster was going to pushed even further into the planet, kill Goten, Gohan, and probably make Goku cease to exist (I mean, for goodness sakes, when he started shooting eraser cannons into the Omega Blaster, it actually crushed into the cliffside and was beginning to cause the magma to rise).

"and? goku stated hatchyack was stronger than broly and hatchyacks no match for ssj2 kid gohan who is no match for ssj2 vegeta who was bitchslapped and knocked out by hirudegarns tail alone."

Considering the fact that they actually exploited a weakness within Hatchyack (I think firing right when 15 seconds have passed), I really doubt it has anything to do with SSJ2 Teen Gohan being stronger. Besides, technically, Goku stated that he was around Broly strength, and even that doesn't necessarily mean overall. By movie 10, going by what Gohan stated, Movie 10 LSSJ Broly would have been a lot stronger than Movie 8 LSSJ Broly (Gohan stated that Broly was as much as a challenge as the last time they fought, and unlike Movie 8, he was fighting SSJ Broly.)

"doesnt count."

How? You mentioned Hatchyack when he was not even a movie-exclusive character, but a character that is exclusive from an interactive walkthrough for a video game/video game character, so if you think he counts enough to mention, then so does the opening for the game.

"hes a good fighter when it calls for it. ultimate gohan couldnt touch him. ultimate gohan would kill broly with his pinky."

It depends on which movie Broly was in, really. Movie 8, he'd probably at best tie with Ultimate Gohan. Movie 10, given the implications that Broly grew much stronger in that movie during his coma, I wouldn't be surprised if Ultimate Gohan would have been beaten by LSSJ Broly.

"you do know kid buu and cell are capable of that?"

Kid Buu, yes. Cell, not so much. He himself does have a limit to his power.

"so why did vegeta get stronger after NOT being pushed to near death vs recoome, but gohan didnt get any stronger at all after being healed by dende after fighting buutenks and nearly dying?"

Just because he grows stronger doesn't necessarily mean that he automatically overpowers his enemy. Remember, Vegeta received a Zenkai that should theoretically beat Frieza's third form, but when he fought Frieza's fourth form (who was using only 1% of his overall power), he was absolutely creamed. The same can apply here.

"hes already at full power. so why would he power up further than 100%? and prove he wasnt fighting at full capacity. you cant. he had no reason not to when being pushed millions of miles to a star."

I believe Broly stated "If you just let me kill you all before, you wouldn't even be in this sort of pain now!", which implies that he was toying with his victims. Toying with opponents means holding back a large amount of your power.

"IT TOOK GOGETA TO BEAT JANEMBA BUT THREE SSJ1S TO KILL BROLY! how is broly ever standing a chance in hell?"

Not that it matters anyways, considering the fact that most of the other franchises disowned Bio-Broly (it didn't get its own story mode in any of the Budokai Tenkaichi games/fighting games. Even Garlic Jr. got a story mode based on his saga, Bio-Broly got nothing. How is that not disowning the character?), but he at the very least stood enough of a chance to require Goku and Pikkon to go to Hell and calm Broly down from a rampage. But, yet again, thanks to Bio-Broly's lack of mention anywhere else, including the games, it probably doesn't count.

"he turns broly to stone then gets stepped on by hirudegarn."

Broly would probably destroy Dabura before he could utilize the stone spit. Considering the whole thing about Dabura being around the same strength as Super Perfect Cell, if not slightly more, Broly at least during Movie 10 would beat him.

"bojacks strong, he could match cell and survived being impaled by gohan and cancled out his kamehameha."

And got killed by SSJ2 Gohan nonetheless, and was overall scared by SSJ2 Gohan's power. Heck, unlike against LSSJ Broly in Movie 8, Goku actually maintained a very firm belief that Gohan would beat Bojack even before Gohan actually met him. Considering that, it's still likely that Movie 8 LSSJ Broly would cream Bojack. Stats wise, that's the plausable scenario.

"who couldnt defeat ssj3 goku but hirudegarn would murk goku if goku didnt have dragon fist to save him."

Broly was able to defeat easily what was the equivalent of nine super saiyans without breaking a sweat and certainly without receiving any wounds in Movie 8 prior to Broly being defeated by a punch to the stomach.

"yet was defeated 4 times."

Four? I only saw him defeated twice, in Movie 8 and Movie 10. Before anyone mentions it, no, Bio Broly doesn't count since A. most of the movie ended up being ignored by pretty much everything else, at least in terms of the games, and B. Even if it were counted by the other Dragon Ball franchise, Bio Broly was a clone of Broly, not Broly himself.

"you mean weaker."

Nope, he means stronger. At no point was it ever implied that he actually grows weaker. If anything, especially the whole "My Power's rising, Overflowing!"/"I'm getting stronger! Yes, much stronger!" that he actually grows much stronger while in his LSSJ form.

Also, I doubt Broly would simply be knocked aside by a finger. Broly Movie 8, maybe, but Movie 10, I have doubts about that. Broly's LSSJ form is probably on par with Janemba, if not even stronger.

I don't even care one way or another for the character, yet even I could see some fallacies by the people who claim that Broly's weaker than Cell or any of that. Broly's power is probably on par with Kid Buu right now. Kid Buu's power is limitless, and Broly's power is heavily implied to increase as long as he is in LSSJ form. Because of that, Kid Buu is probably the only one to actually stand a chance against Broly (It's also heavily implied that Kid Buu is probably stronger than SSJ3 Goku, especially considering the fact that Kid Buu managed to beat him up a lot, and plus, SSJ3 Goku was completely disadvantaged, ending up draining a lot of energy more than he could regain.) Plus, if we go by the fact that Broly's power even in his restrained SSJ form was more powerful than ASSJ Vegeta (he was unphased by Vegeta's attacks), as well as the earlier showcasing of him completely defeating two ASSJs, two MSSJs, and a Super Namek with little effort on his part, and the former characters not even being able to wound him at any point, it is very likely that his LSSJ form is at least a bit stronger than SSJ3 (a SSJ3 is equivalent to eight SSJs, Movie 8 Broly's LSSJ form is implied to be equivalent to, if not greater than, nine SSJs), and Movie 10 obviously makes it clear that he's stronger than in Movie 8, and thus a lot stronger than a SSJ3. This is just going by facts stated in the series. As I said, I really don't care much for the character. Weedle McHairybug 00:44, May 14, 2011 (UTC)

Hildegarn

He is the strongestSSJ Dude 23:01, May 13, 2011 (UTC)SSJ Dude

Janemba vs Hirudegarn - Janemba wins?

Cell, Dabura, and Bojack were all roughly the same strength - below or on par with a super saiyan 2. I've never seen the Cooler movies actually so I can't speak for him. Hirudegarn owned pretty much everyone at the same time, and Janemba owned SSJ3 Goku and SSJ2? Vegeta with ease. In terms of power, Hirudegarn and Janemba obviously have a huge advantage. They also share a similar unique weakness: Hirudegarn becomes vulnerable when enraged and Janemba is damaged by insults. Against the other fighters, however, I don't think these weaknesses would even matter. Pikkon, who was stronger than Cell, used Janemba's weakness against him but was still KO'd almost immediately. SSJ3 Goku used Hirudegarn's weakness to kill him, but still took several hard shots from the monster in the process - shots that probably would have taken out Cell, Dabura, or Bojack. So it comes down to Janemba vs Hirudegarn. Both are too mindless and unintelligible to take advantage of each others' weakness directly. In terms of brute strength, Hirudegarn probably has a slight advantage. But in practice, Janemba would most likely win, and here's why I think so. Janemba's portal attacks and dimension sword must be some of the most frustrating moves to go against. After suffering repeated surprise undefendable blows, Hirudegarn would lose his temper and eventually allow himself to get caught with a finishing move.

Oh yeah... I forgot about Broly. Oops. Eh I'll let someone else debate where he would place in the battle.

Either Janemba or Hirudegarn.

Logically they would have the most power out of the choices. Janemba is probably stronger than Hirudegarn, since it took Gogeta to beat him, but Hirudegarn had some weird abilities. One of those two would probably be the winner, but in Dragon Ball power doesn't always = victor, so Ihdk. Tokeupdude 16:31, May 19, 2011 (UTC)