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[[Category:{{{1}}}|Vegeta SSJ4? Could it happen, if he's lacking Bulma's device?]]
So I was toying with the idea of Vegeta SSJ4 without Bulma's help. I mean, if Vegeta had his tail growns back, could he possibly turn into SSJ4?
I doubt it, because he never reached SSJ3 and thus doesn't have enough base energy to turn into SSJ4. As we can see in GT, he needs powering up with technology to gain such energy. Goku can transform even if there's no moon at the sky, so it's not that simple - just to turn oozaru, turn SSJ and then "pack the monkey" into SSJ4 form. And probably it's not that simple to go SSJ in oozaru form since it boosts the energy x50 (you actually have to have an ability to go beyond oozaru strength to even think about SSJ monkey).
What do you think?
Vageta can actually turn ssj4 by his self because in dragon ball Z he took control of his great ape form. that's how you can become a ssj4.
Yes, if he had a tail.
User:Gohan23/sig 18:45, September 4, 2011 (UTC)
dude he doesnt need ssj3, and even if he did he can achive it, he has the potential.User:Gohan23/sig 18:46, September 4, 2011 (UTC)
I'm not talking about the possiblility, that he possibly could reach it in the future, but if he could do it just after GT, without any further training. I'm just not sure if SSJ4 is all about this monkey "rar" thing. if so, even chibi Trunks could do it, if he had a tail.
Yes
From my understanding, blutz waves don't provide power, they just trigger the oozaru transformation and in Vegeta's case, make his tail grow back. So if Vegeta already had his tail, he could have attained SSJ4 the normal way. Furthermore, SSJ3 isn't a prereq for SSJ4, and I think Vegeta's base form was comparable to Goku's, so his body would be able to handle it. They were evenly matched at SSJ2 in the Buu saga even though Vegeta hadn't unlocked SSJ3. Janemba4eva 19:09, September 4, 2011 (UTC)
Of course blutz waves are giving the energy. Remember when Baby oozaru was depleted? Bulma replenished him out!
"I doubt it, because he never reached SSJ3 and thus doesn't have enough base energy to turn into SSJ4."
yes he does. since hes ssj4 and all, that means he has the power to be ss4.
"As we can see in GT, he needs powering up with technology to gain such energy."
no he doesnt. no one powered him up. he achieved ssj4 with all his own power, but just like goku, he needs the energy reflected off of the moon to transform for the first time, then he can do it whenever he wants.
"Goku can transform even if there's no moon at the sky,"
so can vegeta
"Of course blutz waves are giving the energy. Remember when Baby oozaru was depleted? Bulma replenished him out! "
that replenished the moon energy that triggers oozaru. it wouldnt replenish the raw ki baby actually uses. he wasnt doing well after it anyway.