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Trivia

Before somebody freaks, I feel the need to point out that my recent cuts from the trivia section is to remove ridiculous statements. There's no need to post his every line, nor that he's the fastest form of Buu in Tenkaichi (why not include strength and height while we're at it?). If there are any complaints, please bring it here first, unless I made a clear mistake. // ~mikah~ 23:55, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

This is LocC_09 and no i dont see a reason to complain about that im glad you took that unneeded stuff off.

Mixing Request!

I think we should mix all of Buu's forms into 1 section! I'm really tired right now so all I'm saying is! It's the SAME thing as with Cell! We mixed Cell so we should mix Buu!

Its all mixed on one page now. Somebody just needs to delete this page and the pages on Super Buu and Evil Buu.

Thunderbender18 17:58, 29 March 2009 (UTC)


I've been reading over the article lately, I've been thinking, I know that all the other buu's are just transformations, but each one was like a different being. The Super Buu should at least have his own character page, he had enough development and forms for that. this is just so the page is less clustered.--User:Elementite 17:53, 13 May 2009

Yes I was planning to do that today and will start as soon as I get time. Thunderbender18 22:02, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

I definitely agree, different forms of Buu are technically different entities. We should definitely create full pages for Super Buu and Kid Buu. We can probably leave Evil Buu just on this page, as he is technically just the evil from Buu, and Super Buu's absorptions can go on his page. If you'd like to start this project and feel qualified, then by all means go for it, and let me or anyone else know if you need help. If not, I'll pitch in as well when I can, and I'm sure others will as well.

SSJGoku93sigpic3
 talk contr 
22:05, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

I guess I could maybe try to start a page, but I got finals for most of the month, so I may only be on for brief periods of time.--User:Elementite 18:13, 13 May 2009


NO!! BUU IS 1 PERSON NOT MANY DIFFERENT PEOPLE IT IS ALOT BETTER THIS WAY DONT SEPARATE THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Vegerot 00:31, 14 May 2009 (UTC)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well how could I say no to that well thought out and provactive argument Thunderbender18 00:24, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Technically, by Vegerots logic, then we should put uub in here and not give him a page, because he is just a reincarnation of kid buu. Also Mr. Buu is a separate being, as evil buu expelled him, and made Mr. Buu a new entity. User:Elementite 6:03, 14 May 2009


I know isn't it?! But seriously I don't want to give young and adolescent manga/anime fans into thinking they are to different people they are not the same person!!!!!!!!!!! They might act differently, But they are the same!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! But listen all of his forms except for Good Buu are just kid buu after absorbing someone so Super Buu is just Kid Buu with the Kai but without the good!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Vegerot 00:31, 14 May 2009 (UTC)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And that's what page notes are for!!!!!?!?!!!!!?!?!!!!! I'm pretty sure it would be documented in each individual page that "Super Buu" and "Kid Buu" still come from the same base Buu!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!? I MEAN, WE REALLY WOULDN'T BE WORTH OUR WEIGHT IN SALT IF WE DIDN'T MAKE MENTION OF THAT ON EACH PAGE OR SO!...............! Personally, I'm all for giving Kid Buu and Super Buu their own pages if we have enough source material for them!?????????????????????????????!
Boy, that's a lot of punctuation. ~ Doc Lithius [U|T|C] 01:52, 14 May 2009 (UTC) !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm going to have to concur with Doc Lithius on this. He's on the mark. I, too, am toward giving the forms separate pages as they are separate entities. Buu is not one person. Vegerot, you are not asserting anything. Opinion alone isn't enough to sustain clutter. Thunderbender, I am allowing you to fix the page the way I had initially insisted. Please do so, or I will be forced to do it myself. - Zarbon by raykugen-d2ygchz PrinceZarbon talk contribZarbon ava3 02:39, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

THEY ACT DIFFERENTLY BUT THEY ARE THE SAME CHARACTER THEY ARE ALL BUU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You're alone on the matter. They are not the same character. You can add as many exclamation marks as you want. You haven't swayed anything in your favor. However, you have proven that you are extremely childish in your response. - Zarbon by raykugen-d2ygchz PrinceZarbon talk contribZarbon ava3 01:34, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

If you make a page for Evil Buu you need one for Good Buu!!!!!!!

Ok listen I understand that they become different people but Kid Buu stays Kid Buu is the base character and needs to stay on the original page!!!!!!!!

BakaKidd 23:35, July 14, 2010 (UTC)I agree with the combine them into one page. But we should keep the originals since each one has differnt info on each form! just add them together and add links! BakaKidd 23:35, July 14, 2010 (UTC)BakaKidd

Most Powerful Buu

Does anyone else think Kid Buu is Buu's most powerful form, after all Kibitoshin stated that he was Buu's most dangerous form and when Super Buu was turning into Kid Buu Goku said that Buu's power was increasing and not decreasing.

Since it's implied that SS3 Goku was slightly stronger than Kid Buu (but was unable to defeat him due to being encumbered by a living body) and Goku was convinced that both he and Vegeta were no match for Super Buu, it's very doubtful that Kid Buu was his strongest form. The wording in the anime is a bit misleading, as Old Kai says that the absorption of the Kais weakened Buu. However, in the manga, the Kais were said to calm Buu. Therefore, it's reasonable to conclude that Kid Buu is the most dangerous form due to his volatility, not necessarily his raw strength. In order of weakest to strongest, this is what's implied by the manga:
  • Good Buu
  • Kid Buu (fought Good Buu and was stronger, though Good Buu wasn't completely defenseless)
  • Evil Buu (completely dominated Good Buu, implying he may have actually been stronger than Kid Buu)
  • Super Buu (Evil Buu consumes Good Buu to form Super Buu — this likely made him stronger than Evil Buu, though it also preserved a trace of good in him, which prevented him from killing Mr. Satan)
  • Super Buu + Piccolo + Goten + Trunks (Super Buu with additional intelligence and power)
  • Super Buu + Piccolo + Gotenks (estimated by Goku to be roughly 50% stronger than the Super Buu + Piccolo + Goten + Trunks)
  • Super Buu + Piccolo + Goten + Trunks + Gohan (Ultimate Gohan gets thrown in to make the most powerful villain in the manga)
Some of the implications are more vague than others, but when digging through the information available, that's the impression I got. There's also Fat Buu to contend with, which is a little tougher to gauge as he never fought with or consumed another form of Buu. Assuming that he was the sum of his parts (which is admittedly a shaky assumption), he was probably close in strength to Super Buu. (Both Fat Buu and Super Buu were a combination of Good and Evil Buus, with the former favoring his good side and the latter favoring his evil side.)
Anyway, I'm not suggesting we go inserting all that into articles, but we'd want to avoid contradicting what the series implies. -- Nonoitall talk contr​​​ 12:00, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
*Following reply moved from Talk:Majin Buu by nonoitall*
The Good Buu that Kid Buu fought was basically the combined powers of South Kai and Daikaioshin which would explain why Super Buu lost all the kaioshin influence and reverted back to Kid Buu when he was pulled out. The Good Buu that Evil buu fought had about half the power of Fat Buu(or much less seeing as he was dominated by Evil Buu). When they refused into Super Buu, that Good Buu became the source of the Kaioshin's power for Super Buu otherwise, if he were the same, then Super Buu should have reverted back to Evil Buu. Therefore the list would be:
  • Good Buu (The one that Evil Buu fought)
  • Evil Buu
  • Good Buu (The one Kid Buu fought, or Mr. Buu)
  • Fat Buu
  • Kid Buu
  • Super Buu( The anime suggests [and states once or twice] that Kid Buu is the strongest of the three but most manga readers would agree that Super Buu was the strongest. As stated above the manga doesnt state that the Daikaioshin supressed Kid Buu's power which makes me hesitant to put him weaker than Kid Buu but consensus seems to be that Fat Buu is Kid Buu with the Daikaioshin weakening him and Super is the Kid Buu with Daikaioshin strengthening him.)
The rest same as above.
Thunderbender18 22:05, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

It really comes down to anime or manga. Anime wise the most powerful Buu is Kid Buu but manga wise the most powerful Buu is Gohan Buu Nubescout

Interesting hypothesis! I still get the impression Kid Buu would have been weaker than Fat Buu (though Fat Buu obviously was not as volatile). After Goku fought Fat Buu, he was still uncertain whether he could have beaten him if he had really tried. (In the manga, he even said, "I don't think I could've [beaten Majin Buu]".) On the other hand, both Vegeta and Goku were certain that Goku's full power would be enough to defeat Kid Buu, though Goku's living body exhausted him before he could summon up enough energy. The ultimate impression that it gives me at least, is that his absorption of the Kais did increase his strength, but tamed his destructive tendencies. The original manga's wording, saying that they calmed Buu rather than weakened him, seems to support this as well. Like I said before though, most of this qualifies as subtle implications, as nobody concretely states who was stronger.
As far as anime vs. manga, the manga is the original work, and as such, holds a higher level of canonicity. Honestly though, I don't really see the anime as conflicting with the manga in this instance — I think it's just a bit more vague and ambiguous about the facts. -- Nonoitall talk contr​​​ 11:05, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Well the anime does conflict with the Manga in that the statement is reversed. Goku says he probably could have beaten Fat Buu if he wanted to which leads to the conclusion that Fat Buu was weaker because when Goku fought him he wasnt as used to the effects of Super Saiyan 3 on a live body as he was when he fought Kid Buu, But if you say the statement is diffrent in the manga than I guess that conclusion is wrong. I personally dont really care who's stronger between Kid Buu and Fat Buu but I do think putting Evil Buu as stronger than Kid Buu is a bit off. Thunderbender18 14:30, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Oh, I'm not really biased toward one form of Buu either, and like I said, some of this is just subtle implications — somewhat subjective ones at that. I was only really trying to point out that we shouldn't be saying that Kid Buu is strongest, as it's clear from the manga (and even the anime) that he most likely was not. Aside from that, my list was just meant as talk page trivia to be taken with a grain of salt. -- Nonoitall talk contr​​​ 07:02, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
Let me present my hypothesis, guys. And I'll do it in as much detail as I can. So here goes, from weakest to strongest:
  • Mr. Buu - It has been stated that when Evil Buu (gray) emerged from Majin Buu, he took the majority of his power with him. We could assume that majority is 60%, thus leaving Mr. Buu with 40% of Majin Buu's power, making Evil Buu 1,5x stronger than himself. Hence the massive pwnage. His power is still around standard Super Saiyan 2 level.
  • Kid Buu - Defeated Mr. Buu, but not without a fight. Goku was dominating him in the first phases of his fight, even though this time he was actually ALIVE, which could mean that he likely wouldn't have reached the peak of his SS3 powers (or could so, but only for a brief instant).
  • Evil Buu - dominated Mr. Buu in a few seconds.
  • Majin Buu - the form in which we see him first. He put up a fight against SS3 Goku at full power, due to a dead body not subject to strain and power diminishment. Still weaker than SS3 Goku.
  • Super Buu - Though his makeup is essentially the same as Majin Buu's, this form can be considered a "fusion" in a way. His power is so high that Goku flat-out stated that he and Vegeta don't stand a chance against him without fusing, meaning that he's significantly stronger than SS3 Goku. Moreover, he pwned Super Saiyan Gotenks who was said by Goku to be stronger than himself (SS1 Gotenks Pre-RoSaT >>> SS3 Goku).
  • Piccolo Super Buu - The powers of base Piccolo, Goten and Trunks were insignificant as compared to Buu, the power level difference would hardly be noticeable.
  • Buff Buu - It has been stated that the powerlevel of Super Buu was increasing while he was assuming this form (On the contrary, while he was assuming Kid Buu form, Goku and Vegeta would eagerly fight him with no fear). I doubt it increased as much as 2x, though.
  • Gotenks Super Buu - Gotenks' power was about equal to Super Buu's, so we can assume that this Buu was 2x stronger than regular Super Buu.
  • Gohan Super Buu - the strongest form with the most raw power, due to Buu having Ultimate Gohan's extreme Ki for himself.

That would be how I see this :) Xfing 16:47, September 21, 2009 (UTC)

Evil Buu cannot be more powerful then Kid Buu. When Evil Buu fought Fat Buu, Evil Buu gained the majority of Fat Buu's powers; so Fat Buu was weaker. When Fat Buu fought Kid Buu, he was stronger again, also notice Kid Buu was holding back, unless you guys believe Kid Buu was so weak he can't hurt Satan, all he did was tap him. Never once we see Kid Buu power up or anything. Goku even says in the manga Kid Buu was stronger than he had imagine and said he should have sticked to the earrings and even says he tried to act too cool. So...it's impossible for Evil Buu to be more powerful...

67.243.37.155 19:10, October 27, 2011 (UTC)


One thing to note is that we never really learn just how strong Kid Buu is. His mere powering up is enough to seriously damage the Earth, which isn't something that happened when he was in his other forms except Gohan Buu. The other thing to note is that the estimations given by Goku are notably unreliable. He says he thinks he could beat Kid Buu in his Super Saiyan 3 form, but even though he's given the opportunity several times, he fail every single time. In fact, we clearly see quite a few times that Kid Buu isn't even taking the fight seriously, implying Goku may not even stand a chance. Finally, other than Ultra Buu, this is the only form we see that isn't massively powered down because of Dai Kaio's influence. 74.57.53.44 11:53, June 20, 2012 (UTC)

Most Powerful Buu (Con't.)

  • Good Buu
  • Kid Buu (fought Good Buu and was stronger, though Good Buu wasn't completely defenseless)
  • Evil Buu (completely dominated Good Buu, implying he may have actually been stronger than Kid Buu)
*Fat Buu (Had the strength of both Evil and Good Buu, just as strong as Super Buu but his strength was suppressed)
  • Super Buu (Evil Buu consumes Good Buu to form Super Buu — this likely made him stronger than Evil Buu, though it also preserved a trace of good in him, which prevented him from killing Mr. Satan)
*Super Buu + Piccolo (Has the strength of Piccolo and the intellegence of Piccolo)
  • Super Buu + Piccolo + Goten + Trunks (Super Buu with additional intelligence and power)
  • Super Buu + Piccolo + Gotenks (estimated by Goku to be roughly 50% stronger than the Super Buu + Piccolo + Goten + Trunks)
  • Super Buu + Piccolo + Goten + Trunks + Gohan (Ultimate Gohan gets thrown in to make the most powerful villain in the manga) Vegerot 11:23, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
Is there any reason why whatever new information that's a part of this topic cannot be merged with the previous, identically named topic? On its own this comment does not seem to serve any purpose as a topic of its own, but you seem determined that it be here. (I didn't edit your comment, by the way. It was getting in the way of the original topic though, and like I said, it doesn't seem to be serving a purpose on its own.) -- Nonoitall talk contr​​​ 08:09, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Don't forget about buff buu. I am sure he is a lot stronger than kid buu.—This unsigned comment was made by 87.23.161.38 (talkcontribs) Please sign your posts with ~~~~ next time!

The Weakest

  • Good Buu
  • Evil Buu
  • Super Buu
  • Buff Buu
  • Kid Buu
  • Super Buu + Piccolo + Goten + Trunks
  • Super Buu + Piccolo + Gotenks
  • Super Buu + Piccolo + Gohan

The Powerfullest

During Super Buu transformation to Buff Buu, Goku & Vegeta state that his power is increasing.

The Buff Buu power then increases further to create Kid Buu.

Therefore Kid Buu > Buff Buu > Super Buu, It is not a big difference in power, but Kid Buu is the powerfullest of the three.

MisterShin 15:43, April 5, 2011 (UTC)

Kill Count

In the trivia section, someone has guessed that:

  • Statistically, in terms of kill count, not only does Kid Buu have the highest body count in Dragon Ball Z, but he also has the highest of any cartoon/anime character ever conceived, being able to destroy several planets worth of people. In total, Kid Buu generates an excessively high amount of body count in the billions, maintaining all sources of literature, film, and television series.

However, this seems impossibly difficult to prove (specifically, the part about "the highest of any cartoon/anime character ever conceived"). Unless someone can produce a source for this, and remember that original research is not allowed, this piece of trivia should be removed. -- Kamehameha.10X.Ka.me.ha.me.ha.....talk.....contrib. 05:00, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

I would agree with this notion except we do witness in one instance in the anime when Kid Buu goes on a killing spree and obliterates quite a few planets simultaneously in succession. Supreme Kai states that this had happened before but never to this magnitude. It's logical to assume that billions were killed in that onslaught, which was observed onscreen. However, we don't have a definite number as that's not calculable. (On another note, I really wish there were a way to cut down the amount of linking your signature leaves mate, somehow that needs to be cut down otherwise it's going to consume much of the edit area in every place you post; it basically needs to be constructed then linked rather than separately constructed each time you post). - Zarbon by raykugen-d2ygchz PrinceZarbon talk contribZarbon ava3 05:09, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

I don't disagree with the Dragonball bit, just the highest of any cartoon ever conceived. Theoretically, by merely thinking of a character that killed the amount of people Kid Buu killed + 1, I have disproved this trivia. Also, I'll work on the signature linking and let you know if I need help with that. -- 10X Kamehameha
Signature bit is done. -- Kamehameha.10X.Ka.me.ha.me.ha.....talk.....contrib. 05:23, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
Ay mate. If you can think of a person in another anime/movie-verse who has killed more than billions, then it would cancel out, but I can't. I tried factoring in Galactus from Marvel Universe who has Silver Surfer scout the universe to devour countless planets, as he is a God and needs the energy to survive. But even still, I don't think anyone in any universe is responsible for more kills than Kid Buu. Ultimately, it is still a bit speculative, I'd remove it myself, but I don't want to quarrel with member contributions too much, considering I've already tried my best to remove non-constructive versus arguments. My problem in this case is that it will likely be added once again after deletion. So, here's a healthy medium we can come upon. We should state that he has the largest body count in all of the DBZ universe, but not include the phrase that he has more kills in any universe. Characters like Galactus of Marvel (who is responsible for deaths of billions), or Palpatine of Star Wars (who is responsible for deaths of millions), are contenders as well. - Zarbon by raykugen-d2ygchz PrinceZarbon talk contribZarbon ava3 05:35, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
Well, if we are counting comic books, Thanos once destroyed the entire multiverse, save himself, which would mean everyone in an infinite number of universes. I approve of your middle ground approach to the statement. -- Kamehameha.10X.Ka.me.ha.me.ha.....talk.....contrib. 05:40, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
Ay comrade. Thanos indeed did much damage as well. Whilst my personal favorite Marvel character, Carnage, has thousands of deaths tied to his name, his body count is still lesser than those stated prior. Glad to see a fan as yourself is into multi-comic fandom as I am, even though I only like villains. It was also stated in DC universe that Joker destroyed the universe itself and recreated it just because he couldn't live without Batman (as that's his endemic obsession and the yin to his yang). The death of his enemy would mean an end to his purpose, and therefore, although he had accomplished annihilation, it was meaningless to him. - Zarbon by raykugen-d2ygchz PrinceZarbon talk contribZarbon ava3 05:54, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
Cool stuff. I'm really more into marvel than DC, being a big Venom fan myself. -- Kamehameha.10X.Ka.me.ha.me.ha.....talk.....contrib. 05:59, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
Venom, yeah, cept he's not really a villain but a hero in the end. Carnage will always be my personal favorite out of my love for villainy. If you're truly into Marvel (moreso than DC, though I love both), I recommend you check out two comics I find to be my personal favorites in all the Marvel Universe, both related to Carnage. They are "Mind Bomb" and "It's a Wonderful Life". They are about Carnage in prison and they deal with his psychotic actions and psychiatric analysis, my favorite issue. - Zarbon by raykugen-d2ygchz PrinceZarbon talk contribZarbon ava3 14:39, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

That's cool. I have the Maximum Carnage issues, and most of the Venom comics. He's actually a villian again, and his new host is the former Spider-man villian Scorpion. Eddie Brock is still a good guy and has somehow been cured of his cancer by a Symbiote made from the leftovers of Venom in his blood, called Anti-Venom. Needless to say, I prefer the old Venom stuff, lol.

-- Kamehameha.10X.Ka.me.ha.me.ha.....talk.....contrib. 19:33, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

I have all those comics also, that's why I recommended these specific two to you since I know you might really like them. Do you have the "separation anxiety" , "carnage unleashed", "planet of the symbiotes", and "lethal enforcer" series? all those comics have venom as a primary character also. - Zarbon by raykugen-d2ygchz PrinceZarbon talk contribZarbon ava3 04:09, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
Yah, I actually own every Venom mini-series, though I'm missing the first 2 issues of Planet of the Symbiotes. They're actually Amazing Spider-Man and Spider-Man, but I'd still read them if I had them. I'll check out those Carnage comics if they're at the store near me. Are they a Carnage mini-series, one of the Spider-Man series, or something else? -- Kamehameha.10X.Ka.me.ha.me.ha.....talk.....contrib. 04:31, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
They are Carnage one-shots, so the titles are "Carnage", not spider-man series. Technically, "Mind Bomb" is my most favorite and "It's a Wonderful Life" is my second most favorite. I'd tell you what happens but I really don't want to spoil the actual plot as it's very graphic and psychological. - Zarbon by raykugen-d2ygchz PrinceZarbon talk contribZarbon ava3 04:42, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
Kill count is trivial anyway, and serves no purpose in the article other than fan boy eye candy; similar to character quotes. It should be removed. --MistressGojira 04:45, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Haha yes...kill count...just what we were discussing on this, the Kid Buu talk page =) -- Kamehameha.10X.Ka.me.ha.me.ha.....talk.....contrib. 05:10, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

lol yes. It's trivial to the extent that it's good to note Kid Buu has the highest in terms of body count. Frieza would likely come in at second. But I agree, it is likely "eye candy", that's a rather nice way to put it. - Zarbon by raykugen-d2ygchz PrinceZarbon talk contribZarbon ava3 05:13, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Kid Buu is strongest

It is stated by the Supreme Kai that Kid Buu is Buu's strongest form in the episode "True Saiyans Fight Alone." He literally says, "this is his original form, he is stronger than ever!"

I know that. Almost every person who watches the fight (including Supreme Kai) notes that Kid Buu is his strongest form. I don't know why people keep wanting to prove otherwise by saying his other forms are superior just because he absorbs other characters. It's still crucial to note that the characters themselves say that Kid Buu is the strongest form. - Zarbon by raykugen-d2ygchz PrinceZarbon talk contribZarbon ava3 06:09, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
I suppose it is because people feel like it would make more sense for Buu to get stronger after he absorbs people. It is true that he gets stronger when he absorbs people it's just that absorbing the Kais greatly brought down his power because of their goodness and innocence which conflicts with Buu's pure evil.

But in the manga Gohan Buu is the strongest!!(talk) 11:24, 16 August 2009 (UTC)!!!!!!

Gohan buu is not the strongest. That's false implication by fans and by "that time in story" in viz manga, not official Japanese manga. - Zarbon by raykugen-d2ygchz PrinceZarbon talk contribZarbon ava3 16:40, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
I believe Buutenks made a claim that he was at his highest point, but even I, a Super Buu supporter, don't really believe that. But don't you find it odd Goku would be unwilling to fight Super Buu unfused and then see this Kid Buu and claim he can destroy him at max power?
As an aside, would it be worth it to translate the Buu back story as explained by Kibitoshin? SpeedBurner 01:53, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

What are you saying? O__O That's obviously a mistranslation of the anime... Kid Buu is the most dangerous not the strongest... Because he is out of control... Super Buu who fought Gotenks is already stronger than Kid Buu just as Gotenks is stronger than Goku! Saying that Kid Bu is stronger than Super Buu + Gohan is pure foolish since Gohan and Gotenks alone are far superior to Kid Bu! Kid Buu is only stronger than Good Buu and maybe Fat Buu and that's what Kaiohshin says ("He absorbed the Kais resulting in a weaker but more gentle version."). Super Buu + Gohan requied Vegetto to be taken care of, and Vegetto normal form is 100 times stronger than Kid Buu... If Kid Buu is strong 10, normal Vegetto is strong 1000. goldsaint13 16:38, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

It's pretty amusing that so many people claim that Gohan Buu is the strongest buu. I feel sorry for you, PrinceZarbon. I guess it can't be helped. If you keep an eye on this page and want to take the responsibilties, please keep up the work. I guess many visitors of this site don't know Japanese, Mandarin or Cantonese. I don't know Japanese currently. I do know Mandarin, Cantonese and not to mention English. I guess no one will disagree that the kid buu is the most dangerous form of buu. Many people claim that kid buu is the most dangerous form of buu but not the strongest. Yet, even with the Genki Dama that is formed by most power of every inhabitant of earth, it is still not enough to defeat Kid Buu. Gohan has already contributed most of his energy to Goku in order to defeat Kid Buu. It is clear that Vegeta's idea is with everyone on earth contributes most of his power to help Goku, Goku may have a chance to defeat Kid Buu. Vegeta and Goku certainly didn't expect Kid Buu is so strong that he can slowly push back the Genki Dama toward already exhausted Goku. If the Genki Dama is much powerful, they won't need to use the third wish to restore Goku's full strength. Goku does change himself into Super Saiyan to overpower Kid Buu. Does anyone really expect that Gohan can actually defeat Kid Buu alone? Looking at these situations, it is fair to say Kid Buu is really much more powerful than his previous forms. I know that many Gohan's supporters will never admit this fact. The reason is fairly simple. They think that Gohan is the strongest unfused character. If Gohan is the strongest unfused character, he should be able to defeat kid buu which is also unfused. It is shown that Gohan cannot even handle the Super Buu with Gotenks absorbed. The fact that Goku can fight evenly with Kid Buu makes the whole situation strange because Goku doesn't try to fight Super Buu without fusion. You only use fusion to fight stronger opponent, don't you? Goku doesn't really like to use the Super Saiyan 3 transformation. He admitted himself. Using Super Saiyan 3 transformation will exhaust him very fast. In fact, he did have a chance to prevent Majin Buu to be freed from seal. How long do you expect a Super Sayain 2 Vegeta can hold against a Super Saiyan 3 Goku? Not even a minute. It's true that Goku can't sustain his Super Saiyan 3 form very long. But to defeat vegeta in order to prevent Majin Buu to be freed from seal don't even need a minute. Vegeta is badly hurt by Kid Buu who Goku fight evenly within a minute. Parts of the sources of energy that are used to free the Majin Buu come from the fight between a Super Saiyan 2 Goku and Super Saiyan 2 Vegeta. Majin Buu can only absorb energy if Vegeta which is under Babidi's control can hurt Goku. The more hurt on Goku's body the more energy Majin Buu will absorb. Later, knowing that Super Saiyan 2 Vegeta is not a match for Majin Buu, he knew he has made a big mistake. He is still reluctant to fight Majin Buu because he wants the new generation to take the responsibilities. When he knew the the dragon radar is in the West City, in order to buy enough time for Trunks to get dragon radar, he has no choice but to change himself into a Super Saiyan 3. No one will disagree that he doesn't fight the Fat Buu seriously . He only wanted to buy some time for Trunks. Obviously, he has changed his mind afterwards especially after the earth is blown out. Instead of fusing with Vegeta, he prefers to fight with his own power.

Gohan's most loyal fans will feel much more comfortable with the assumption that Kid Buu is one of the weakest Buus and Gohan Buu is the strongest Buu. Based on their opinions, with Gohan's potential energy being unlocked, he should be the strongest unfused character if not the strongest character? In the universe of Dragon Ball, there is no upper limit that how strong a person could be. If you want to be stronger, just train yourself harder. It's that simple. That's how Goku gets stronger. What should you expect from Gohan when he doesn't train himself very hard in 7 years after the defeat of Cell? Thljcl 16:58, September 11, 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the credit mate, and for the logical reasoning. All I can say is that it takes a lot of patience to deal with people who are dogmatic and simply want to push their own belief as fact. - Zarbon by raykugen-d2ygchz PrinceZarbon talk contribZarbon ava3 17:40, September 11, 2009 (UTC)

Holy Giant Wall of Text Batman!, O.O. In all seriousness how was anyone suppoesed to read that? You seemed to be making an arguable point at the begining but then it seemed to break into incohernet rambling. I'm dont even know who I'm saying this to because you forgot to sign your post -_-. Thunderbender18 19:03, September 11, 2009 (UTC)

It was Thljcl. He just separated his post into two segments and signed once. - Zarbon by raykugen-d2ygchz PrinceZarbon talk contribZarbon ava3 01:32, September 12, 2009 (UTC)

Very brave argument, I have to admit! That fact that Kid Buu may be the strongest or the weakest will never change the fact that Gotenks and Gohan are superior to Goku... No matter about the training, Gohan has his power drawn out by magic while Gotenks is a Fusion... No matter how much Goku can train himself... He will never reach Gohan full potential because Gohan is an half blood Saiyan, superior by nature... As for Kid Buu... He may even be the strongest, but if he is, it means he never fights seriously during the battle with Goku since he was barely equal to Goku and his advantage against Good Buu was not so infinite... By facts, Evil Buu adavantage over Good Buu was greater. But the only reason why Goku needed his full power back is because he didn't have enough energy left to simply throw the Genki Dama, but don't think that the Genki Dama may have the same power that would have a possible warrior with a power level equal to all the levels combined that shoots a power ball! Well, who is stronger? Kid Buu or Super Buu? Reading the manga there are much more proofs that Super Buu is stronger (also Super Buu without anyone), but it's also a bit a matter of opinions and I feel that it's correct to avoid to say that Kid Buu is the strongest in his wikia page since Kaiohshin confirms only that he is the wildest. What is a FACT instead is that Gotenks and Gohan are stronger than Goku since Goku himself confirms it. User:Goldsaint13/goldsaint13 13:15, September 12, 2009 (UTC)

Not mention that Goku in both mediums stated that Super Buu could kill both him and Vegeta without effort unless they fused. Whereas with Kid Buu, Goku was very confident that he could contend with him alone and even told Vegeta that if he had taken the fight seriously from the beginning, he would have won. So yes, there is solid canon evidence against Prince Zarbon and Thlhcl's erroneous assertions of Kid Buu supposedly being the strongest.

I say Kid Buu is the strongest form of the entire entity. Gohan was already dominating Super Buu with mere physical attacks, and Kid Buu needed an entire Genki Dama, keep in mind the most powerful attack in the series, to kill him. Goku saying he and Vegeta would not win against Super Buu is very valid, for Goku cannot sustain Super Saiyan 3 for long (something he noted when Piccolo), his ki blasts won't work (the only thing that will kill Buu, evident when Super Buu says "All I feel is a twinge") and they were the size of fleas to have any decent amount of damage on Buu. In addition, Super Buu could mentally regenerate himself, something we don't need the anime to prove. And if I remember correctly, Kibito Kai actually said Buu lost power through absorption, something the Viz manga did not pick up on. And Goku was implied to have been more powerful than Kid Buu, so I would say Goku > Kid Buu > Gohan > Gotenks >= Super Buu. SaiyanZ 23:23, January 19, 2010 (UTC)
We need proof that Kid Buu is the strongest Buu form. Goku stated in the manga that he and Vegeta would get killed if they leave Super Buu's body. If Goku was worried about Super Buu, but he believed he could have taken on Kid Buu, how is Kid Buu the strongest Buu? If Gohan was stronger than Goku, and Gohan was no match against Buutenks, Goku was no match against Buutenks. But we clearly see Goku held his own against Kid Buu, and if not for Kid Buu's almost infinite energy, he probably would have beaten Kid Buu without the Spirit Bomb. So no, Kid Buu is not the strongest Buu, it's imposible. If Kid Buu is the strongest, your basically saying he's stronger than Buuhan, and we don't wanna go there lol.
YoungTopGunn 10:48, February 8, 2011 (UTC)
By Goku stating he was no match against Super Buu, that does not really prove Kid Buu is weaker. Goku also states he underestimated Kid Buu, and Vegeta states he was stronger then he imagine. They both underestimated Kid Buu. Goku also states Kid Buu was playing around, he wasn't going all out. When do we see Kid Buu struggle? We don't, because he's just having fun. No, Kid Buu is not the strongest Buu, that title should go to Buuhan, but Kid Buu is the strongest non fused Buu..
67.243.37.155 18:10, October 28, 2011 (UTC)

Possible 2 Kid Buus?

If the Kai pods were removed from Mr. Buu (Good Buu), wouldn't there be 2 Kid Buus? o_O Bgizzles45 13:33, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

No Thunderbender18 22:34, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

It's interesting, I wonder if another Kid Buu can be created. What if Fat Buu gets angry again, creates Evil Buu, gets eaten, gets ripped off...will Kid Buu appear again? lol

67.243.37.155 04:45, October 29, 2011 (UTC)

Buu's Backstory, Raw Page

Well, I dunno if this is of any use, but I have a scan of the page where Kibito Kai goes into Kid Buu's history. However, my Japanese isn't at the level it needs to be to understand what the heck he's talking about. If anyone wants to try their hand at translating, for new information or (more likely) confirmation, it's always here.

SpeedBurner 18:13, October 11, 2009 (UTC)

Eyes?

when kid buu is about th destroy earth he has white eyes but the rest of the saga he has black and red eyes, but fat buu always has white eyes


and super buu always had the evil eyes (i think)

Kid Buu's eyes just appeared white in the light of his attack. He always had red eyes. Super Buu had white eyes until Gotenks punched him in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber. Vegeta-ssj4-485301-1-TienVsTaoWMATSaga01 23:03, December 3, 2012 (UTC)

Saiyan's ability

Some of you guys are saying that fat buu put up a fight against ss3 goku, but kidd buu could've been beaten easier by ss3 goku and many of you forgot that saiyans have the ability that if they're beaten to mere death their power rises alot and so maybe that's the reason ss3 goku became stronger maybe it was after the battle with majin vegeta. This is what i think about the buu ranking:

Good buu: Was easily beaten by evil buu

Evil buu: Beat good buu

Majin buu: Put up a fight against kid buu.

Kid buu: Didn't lose to Majin buu (look up)

Super buu: Well, I don't really have that much of a good reason, but why would they call him SUPER buu? and besides his transformations are extremely powerful since he

  absorbed gohan and also i think this, because of the other people putting him as the strongest.

If I've made mistakes then I would like to know what they are.

Please sign your posts. Also, since we don't really like power comparisons based off of theories in the articles, you might want to move this to the forum section. This way others can comment on your ideas and discuss them with you. These discussion pages are more for article formatting. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 10X.Ka.me.ha.me.ha.....talk.....contrib. 00:36, August 12, 2010 (UTC)

Kid Buu Trivia

Kid Buu was the only major villain ever beaten by Goku Dragonball Z. He was also one of only two characters who was killed by Goku, the other being Yakkon.

Gohan Buu is the strongest buu I have proof.

People why do you all say Kid Buu is the strongest Buu?Do you not see how foolish that is?So your saying SSJ3Goku is on a level as Vegito?Or Super Vegito?That is bull right there.Not to mention yes the kais said this buu is most powerful but the fact is.Buu stated as in his Buutenks form I am the strongest I ever been showing direct proof Buutenks is stronger than Kid Buu and he became even stronger as Buuhan so the whole Kid Buu>Gohan Buu completely fails.Also there is much evidence Super Buu is stronger than Kid Buu as Goku believes only fusion can win against Super Buu(Base) as against kid buu.He believes he can win alone by getting a minute to be Full power at SSJ3 showing much evidence Super Buu is stronger.Also the whole thing about Goku only stated that to protect Vegetas pride is wrong.As Vegeta already swallwod his pride to fuse with him and I think seeing Goku go SSJ3 is a lot less hurtful then fusing again.Also here is what I must say which is a logical explantion why all of Gohans power didnt go into the Genki Dama.Ok the Genki Dama is only postive energy while Gohan isnt completely positive energy anymore as Piccolo stated " he isnt a the same calm hearted little boy as before(Or something like that) he became a merciless fighter" showing Gohan doesnt just have 100% positive energy because fighting is not something positive.So most of his energy didnt go into the Genki Dama seeing the Kais who are 100% positive energy they where almost completely drained of their energy stated by Supreme kai himself.So this should be evidence.Gohan Buu>>>>>>>Kid Buu.So case closed.It should be stated as a fact Gohan Buu is stronger than Kid Buu.As he is Gohan + Super Buu and SSJ3Goku was stated to be weaker than Gohan and Gotenks.While Kid Buu is on his level making him weaker aswell.Anyone wanting to argue with it needs to accept the facts.Ss4 gogetaLssj4 14:33, December 21, 2010 (UTC)

First off, sign your posts. Second, I think you need to do some fact-checking, try basing things only on quotes. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 10X.Ka.me.ha.me.ha.....talk.....contrib. 04:49, December 21, 2010 (UTC)

I am not trying to bash anyone I am just saying how foolish that is to believe that.Ss4 gogetaLssj4 14:33, December 21, 2010 (UTC)

Your info is wrong and thus your argument is not meaningful. You need to back up statements with correct quotes. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 10X.Ka.me.ha.me.ha.....talk.....contrib. 19:49, December 22, 2010 (UTC)

I have and my info is not wrong it is true.It was in the english and jap manga.What are you talking about?Your saying Kid Buu>Gohan Buu?And SSJ3Goku>Super Vegito?Because that is wrong info without any evidense.Ss4 gogetaLssj4 19:45, December 23, 2010 (UTC)

I didn't say anything except that your quotes are wrong. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 10X.Ka.me.ha.me.ha.....talk.....contrib. 21:42, December 23, 2010 (UTC)

I am just going by what is said.Mystic Gohan is stronger than SSJ3Goku and Kid Buu is on his level and if Super Buu is on Mystic Gohan level then Super Buu + Mystic Gohan = Buuhan making him stronger by default even Buutenks is stronger than Kid Buu.Ss4 gogetaLssj4 13:30, December 24, 2010 (UTC)

You said "kais said this buu is most powerful". That's wrong, either use quotes or don't bother asserting things. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 10X.Ka.me.ha.me.ha.....talk.....contrib. 17:04, December 24, 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, the kais never say Kid Buu is the strongest Buu, it really can't be a "they" since the only one left alive who saw him in the past was Kibito Kai. When he finishes telling the story about Kid Buu too Old Kai, Old Kai says, in volume 26, page 80 in the DBZ Manga Box Set, "So the souls he ate tamed him...then...this small Buu is the very first, most dificult one?" Kibito Kai says, "Yes...he's lost the souls he gained. This Buu is evil incarnate". And that's it, but yeah, Kid Buu is not the strongest, seeing as Goku states he would get killed by Super Buu, what more proof can anyone need that Kid Buu is infact one of the weakest Buus? And this is coming from a Kid Buu fan boy lol not a Buu fan boy, a KID BUU fan boy.
YoungTopGunn 11:01, February 8, 2011 (UTC)

Kid Buu Has Pure Heart?

Yeah, I saw this quote in the Kid Buu article, "Strangely, Kid Buu, despite his destructive tendencies, seemed to have a pure heart, as he was able to deflect Goku's Spirit Bomb back at Goku when it jammed (Goku earlier stated that only someone with a pure heart could deflect the Spirit Bomb)". The problem with this is that Goku states those with evil hearts can't even touch the Spirit Bomb. Now this was contradicted first when Frieza was able to touch the Spirit Bomb, even though he couldn't send it back to Goku. But Goku in the Buu saga ran out of energy, and wouldn't match Kid Buu's force while at base. Also, remember this, Kid Buu never sends it back to Goku in the manga, and since the manga is the number one canon, that means Kid Buu never really did sends it back to Goku at all. Might as well delete that comment from the article, it doesn't help or hurt the article anyways.

YoungTopGunn 11:12, February 8, 2011 (UTC)

I agree, for what you said and because that line, as is now, is also nothing more than pure speculation. 4f99f66eabcfc7b528ebe4f85c65156bHolothurion 11:28, March 17, 2011 (UTC)
This still is strange. The manga, and anime state Kid Buu is PURE EVIL. He still couldn't have deflect the Spirit Bomb.
67.243.37.155 20:16, October 27, 2011 (UTC)
Exactly. King Kai stated that only someone who has a pure heart can deflect the spirit bomb. Kid Buu is literally PURE EVIL, therefore he has a pure heart. The reason why guys like Frieza couldn't deflect it back is because yeah they're evil, but they still have morals and can still reason to a certain extent. Kid Buu on the other hand is only known for killing and destroying, he has no morals or the ability to reason, as this was shown when he tried to blow up the Earth despite Goku and Vegeta's pleas, even at the expense of blowing up himself. A pure heart doesn't necessarily mean pure good, it can also mean pure evil. RafealxPhoenix (talk) 17:52, December 29, 2012 (UTC)

Kid Buu: Strongest Form?

This argument is laughable.

Buu's most powerful form is Super Buu w/Gohan,Piccolo,Trunks,Goten. He then looses the power of Gohan, who was one of the most powerful characters at the time, and people think he is stronger because of it? Whilst it is true that Kid Buu lost power when he absorbed the Kai's, that is irrelevent for the Z Figters.

I think these people are getting confused with Kid Buu's relentless pure evilness, with no mercy for his actions and ofcourse, Kid Buu is VERY POWERFUL, and with such power and the way he uses it (destroying the Earth without thought or hesitation and before the fight even begins). Because of this, it is easy for these people to be confused.

Kid Buu is powerful, but Super Buu is stronger but just because Super Buu has constraint and does not destroy the Earth as soon as he arrives, it does not mean he is weaker.

--Raadec 13:36, February 8, 2011 (UTC)


I’ve seen countless arguments in the web that how Majin Buu who has absorbed Gohan, Piccolo, Trunks, Goten, Kaioshins and others is supposed to be stronger. I guess I can’t blame them to have such arguments. When I read the online manga (English), the Dai Kaioshin stated that Kid Buu is the most dangerous than his other forms, due to lack of constraints or self-consciousness. There are others pointed out that if absorption makes Majin Buu weaker, the fact that Majin Buu absorbed Gotenks and Piccolo to overpower Gohan does not make sense. Personally, I’ve limited understanding in Japanese but I do understand a lot more in Chinese and English.


Funimation releases Dragon Ball Z in nine seasons. The DVD releases from Funimation contain three audio tracks: English with Funimation’s Music, English with Original Audio, and Japanese. I do notice that the words spoken by narrator or the characters are actually having some differences in meaning. The English subtitle in Funimation’s DVD releases of Dragon Ball Z matches the Japanese Audio, not the English Audio.


Personally, I do not know why Funimation recreates the background Music for Dragon Ball series. From my personal point of view though, the lines of the characters or narrator in English do sound more like what typical English-spoken people would say; the change of background music may be able to suit different audiences. It may be the so-called localization.


The subtitle, on the other hand, is the direct translation of the Japanese audio, which is closest to original meaning. The original lines or Music in Japanese audio do sound or look exotic.


It’s understandable why Funimation makes some changes but does create some confusion in the process. It’s particularly true when the storylines of Dragon Ball series become increasingly complex. Certain use of words may lead to entirely different interpretation.


I make a comparison between translations of manga in English, Hong Kong, and Taiwan. Interestingly, the words spoken by the characters or narrator DO have some differences in meaning. I’m referring to manga here. In the Taiwan’s version, the words of which Kaioshins said about Kid Buu are the closest to the English translation of Japanese audio in Funimation’s release of Dragon Ball Z.


In Taiwan’s version of manga and Japanese audio of Dragon Ball Z, it’s stated that when Majin Buu is first created, it was an essence of evil. He was incredibly powerful. It ran around to destroy lives and many things. Nothing seems to be able to stop him; not even the creator Bibidi can actually control him. After the absorption of two Kaioshins, Majin Buu has changed and the creator can control him for a little while before Majin was sealed away. The original Majin Buu is seemed as Bibidi’s failure since Bibidi cannot control the original Majin Buu. Dai Kaioshin asked (East) Kaioshin, “The first form of Majin Buu is actually the most difficult one?” (East Kaioshin) replied, “Yes. His (Majin Buu) heart, through absorption, has even reduced his power, has changed back to the original form…”


The original Majin is incredibly powerful and is practically an essence of evil. It’s not stated every time it absorbs the others it will be weaken. It’s not stated only the absorption of Kaioshins can weaken him. What it’s stated is that, the Fat Majin Buu (after the absorptions of two Kaioshins) can briefly be controlled by Bibidi, thus considered complete, compared to the original uncontrollable Majin Buu, which is “failure”. The interesting thing is that absorption does change Majin Buu mentally and physically. After the absorption, Majin Buu’s personality, abilities, and appearance change. The Majin Buu which has absorbed the others has somehow become a different person, thus explains that Majin Buu (with absorption of Kaioshins) said, “Don’t pull it. Or else I’m no longer myself.”


It’s not illogical to say that absorption of Kaioshins weakens him, just as the English audio stated. Since Majin Buu was indeed weakened after the absorptions of Kaioshins. However, what it’s stated in the Japanese audio is that, a change of heart reduces his power (arguably personality as well). Majin Buu’s heart will be changed by any absorption but Dai Kaioshin, who is gentle and kind, will affect his heart more significant than others.


Does Majin Buu’s power increase after the absorption of Gohan? Yes, indeed. But the original Majin Buu is the most difficult one. With all of the absorptions being removed, the full power of Majin and the original evilness is being restored.


Note that neither the Taiwan’s version of manga nor the Japanese audio states that Kid Buu is the most dangerous. They stated that Kid Buu is the most difficult one. In all forms of Majin Buu Goku and the others have faced, Kid Buu is the most difficult one, even being able to push back the Genki Dama which is powered by entire population of inhabitants on earth. Some has speculated that Kid Buu is “pure-hearted” thus being able to push back Genki Dama. But Genki Dama is an attack which can actually hurt anyone, or even destroying entire planet, depending on the size of course. North Kaio actually warned Goku to avoid using Genki Dama too often.


After the absorption of the others, the change of heart seals away Majin Buu’s true power but Majin Buu is nevertheless very dangerous and powerful. If somebody here can understand Japanese well, perhaps it can point out the wrong of Taiwan’s version of manga or the English subtitle for Japanese audio.


At the end, Dragon Ball series is truly popular that it can have so many translations in different parts of the world. 175.139.226.249 00:41, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

Fear

Should it be worth noting that the only time Kid Buu showed fear was when Vegeta kept getting up after every attack and said his quote "You're nothing Just a Trickster. I am a warrior. The saiyan Prince. Vegeta!" This is the only instance of fear we see in him. And also because of this shouldn't we mention that Vegetas fight with Buu lasted almost as long as Buu's fight with Goku? Vegeta took a pounding and kept fighting. Just a thought. Don't want to start a war of words. Again thought it was relavant.

This is speculation, he wasn't afraid but suprized. Jeangabin666 18:33, May 19, 2011 (UTC)

Hm?

Was he really the LAST villain of DBZ? What about Abo and Cado? Tokeupdude 17:40, May 19, 2011 (UTC)

Or Hirudegarn.. he is the last villain of the Dragon Ball manga. Jeangabin666 18:35, May 19, 2011 (UTC)
Okay, I'll change it then. Tokeupdude 19:51, May 19, 2011 (UTC)
Hirudegarn appears in the manga? Where and when? 4f99f66eabcfc7b528ebe4f85c65156bHolothurion 01:36, May 20, 2011 (UTC)
No, I meant Hurudegarn could be the last villain of the Dragon Ball Z franchise. And that Kid Buu is the last villain of the Dragon Ball manga. Jeangabin666 06:52, May 20, 2011 (UTC)
Ah, so that was what you meant. Thanks for clearing it out. 4f99f66eabcfc7b528ebe4f85c65156bHolothurion 03:35, May 21, 2011 (UTC)

Kill list

does anyone else belive we should add a kill list for this article and the fat buu and super buu pages since said pages do not have one GhannThe only thing we have to fear is fear itselfImagesde 17:11, September 18, 2011 (UTC)

Well, Kid Buu destroyed entire planets, wiping out hundreds of species, so his entire kill list can not fully be put down. NappaEyeLaser.Ep.026Super Saiyan GoateeTaoPaiPaiSend me a message!PIccolo12 17:13, September 18, 2011 (UTC)

I know but for the ones we know we could put down and for the ones we dont we could put "Multiple unknown aliens living on planets in the (insert what quadrant of the universe it was) possibly GhannThe only thing we have to fear is fear itselfImagesde 17:23, September 18, 2011 (UTC)

We don't need a list since there were few individual kills, just mass ones that are already stated in the articles. -- SSJ4 Goku(5) 10X Ka.me.ha.me.ha ..... talk ..... contrib. 22:46, September 18, 2011 (UTC)

Kid Buu does not equal to SSJ3 Goku

This can't be, Goku states him self in the manga, Kid Buu was stronger then he thought and admits he was acting too cool and should have used the earrings. Not once we see Kid Buu power up, he was just joking around with Goku and Fat Buu. The removal of Fat Buu, removed all of the Kai influence, so when his power went higher, it wasn't South Kai inluence since he wasn't there any more. It doesnt make sense to say he was strong that moment but then got weak? How is that possible? Where did he get all that power from and then lose it? It is not logical lol. If Kid Buu was that weak, then why Goku could not deflect that beam that destroyed Earth? Notice Kid Buu's expression, he really put juice into that ball. And since this page fallows the anime funi dubs, Goku says it was enough to blow the planet ten times. But out of no where Goku can stop Buu now? Come on guys, it doesn't make sense, Kid Buu was not going all out when fighting Goku, even then as I put Goku admits they should have used the earrings.

67.243.37.155 20:29, October 27, 2011 (UTC)

Kid buu is stronger then SS3 but does not know how to supress his power so he does not have the power to power up.Guyver92 (talk) 22:28, July 18, 2015 (UTC)

Goku as a SSJ3 was actually stronger than Kid Buu when he was powering up when Vegeta was distracting Buu, but lost all of his power and reverted back to his base. Kid Buu can power up too. I don't know if he can suppress or not (fat Buu was able to "power up" multiple times throughout the series when he got angry, but it's not known if this was related to the absorption of the Kai's). I don't think Kid Buu would need a reason to suppress even if he could. He's a killing machine and doesn't care who knows he's coming or not. Ripto (talk) 23:41, July 18, 2015 (UTC)

Why the Kais (even South Supreme Kai) weakened Buu (manga proof)

I had made a post about this earlier but I thought I should explain my changes to the Power section of this page. For one, Majins and Supreme Kais are opposites of one another. 3 things are shown to support this:

1) When Buu is trying to be resurrected, Dabura says they cannot use the Supreme Kai's or Kibito's ki to resurrect him. Even though Kibito is not a Supreme Kai, he is Supreme Kai-affiliated. The ki's cancel one another out, meaning they are not compatible. The next point will elaborate upon this.

2) Vegito seperated into Goku and Vegeta INSIDE of Buu. Let us remember that a Metamorese Fusee was absorbed with no problems (this person being Gotenks). However, this was the preferred method of fusion by the Supreme Kais, and that too being a permanent fusion. Again, this is Supreme Kai-affiliated. And again, they canceled one another out

3) Grand Supreme Kai/Daikaioh weakened Buu when he was absorbed.

With these 3 points, plus the fact that Kibito Kai said Buu "lowered his power through absorption" (check my talk page for specific sources; this one is by Herms), it is obvious that Fat Buu < Buff Buu < Kid Buu. SaiyanZ 18:46, December 5, 2011 (UTC)

WIth this knowledge, we know also: Good/Mr. Buu < Evil Buu < Fat Buu < Super Buu < Ultra/Buff Buu < Kid Buu by natural logic SaiyanZ 13:26, December 6, 2011 (UTC)

This is what we call original research on a wiki site. That means that is it something that a fan pieced together from observations, but that is not officially stated. Unfortunately, this cannot be incorporated into the article, because it is unsourced original research. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 10X.Ka.me.ha.me.ha.....talk.....contrib. 13:53, December 6, 2011 (UTC)
False, the Kais never weakened Buu. He became stronger after absorbing them, but less evil. This is why Kid Buu is the most dangerous Buu, but not the strongest. Jeangabin666 16:02, December 6, 2011 (UTC)
But shouldn't it be put on the wiki regardless if it's not in an official source? If it makes sense, why not put it in the article? It is all from official/canon material anyway. In addition, the wording is completely wrong in the article. Goku and Vegeta said Buu's power was increasing when Super Buu transformed in to Ultra Buu. It wasn't Kid Buu into Ultra Buu when they said that. Also, Assault Rain is a video-game exclusive technique for Kid Buu. Even in the Viz Media license, Elder Kai says that "the souls he ate tamed him" when talking about Kid Buu
@Jeangabin666 - No he's not, you didn't even support your claim. Refer to my talk page to see why this notion is ridiculous. SaiyanZ 16:53, December 6, 2011 (UTC)
For Assault Rain, you should word it better because the technique is used by Super Buu in the manga. Say Kid Buu use it only in video games, not that it is a video-game exclusive technique. Also, we write everything that happened in the series here. Goku and Vegeta had different reactions depending on Buu's transformations. They are stated here, and we give the reader to choice to believe it or not. But still it happened in the series and should be here. Jeangabin666 18:26, December 6, 2011 (UTC)
Ok I will word it better. However, the info is wrong. As I've said, Goku and Vegeta said Buu's power was rising when Super Buu transformed into Ultra Buu. That is why I'm taking it off this Kid Buu page SaiyanZ 18:56, December 6, 2011 (UTC)
This article is also for "Ultra Buu" (who has never been officially named) who is Kid Buu's form after absorbing the Southern Supreme Kai. It's already stated in the Assault Rain section that Kid Buu uses it only in video games, no need to be redundant. Also, if you want to edit on a wiki, repect the rules; do not edit war.The power section has to be discussed before being changed. 10X Kamehameha already told you about this rule. Jeangabin666 20:46, December 6, 2011 (UTC)
That is not the point. I'm saying the info is false. Super Buu transformed into Ultra Buu. This is when Goku and Vegeta said that Buu's power was increasing. Then, Ultra Buu became Kid Buu. Not a single comment was made about his power when this happened. You're having false info up on the page, I don't know how much clearer I can put it. It's only fair that this is removed SaiyanZ 01:48, December 7, 2011 (UTC)

I'm still a bit confused about your problem with the sentence, as it doesn't seem to be saying anything contradictory to what you are saying. "Buu's power changes depending on his absorptions. According to Goku and Vegeta, his power spiked up when he changed to Ultra Buu, but went back down when he reverted to Kid Buu." You have agreed that Buu's power increased when he went from Super Buu to Kid Buu, so the first half is correct by what you're saying. I haven't heard you mention Kid Buu being stronger than Ultra Buu (something that wouldn't make sense anyway), so what's the issue? -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 10X.Ka.me.ha.me.ha.....talk.....contrib. 05:38, December 7, 2011 (UTC)

According to Goku and Vegeta, his power spiked up when he changed to Ultra Buu. This is completely wrong, the 'he' before 'changed' is referring to Kid Buu, not Super Buu. Goku & Vegeta made the comment when Super Buu transformed into Ultra Buu. However, the previous sentence says that they made the comment when Kid Buu transformed into Ultra Buu. That is my problem with the sentence. And of course Kid Buu > Ultra Buu, given the 3 reasons that I stated at the beginning of this talk section. But since it's not allowed for it being original research, I cannot put this into the article. Which also brings me to another question: why does it say Buu's power went down when Ultra Buu transformed into Kid Buu? No comment about his power was made when this happened. This "shrinking" business was only attributed to Vegeta calling the newly appeared Kid Buu "a midget" (from the Viz Media license) SaiyanZ 09:08, December 7, 2011 (UTC)

It doesn't said Kid Buu, is says Buu's power went up when he changed to Ultra Buu, which is true. The very nature of absorption makes it clear that your power goes up when you absorb more people. The nature of the absorbee may tame the absorber, but it doesn't affect the power. That is why Kid Buu is most dangerous, not most powerful. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 10X.Ka.me.ha.me.ha.....talk.....contrib. 09:16, December 7, 2011 (UTC)

Vegeta and Goku were afraid of "Ultra Buu", but noticed that they could beat him when he turned into Kid Buu. It is most official translations of the anime and manga, french, english, etc. Appearantly, the problem comes from the fact that you misunderstood the According to Goku and Vegeta, his power spiked up when he changed to Ultra Buu, of course "his power" refers to Super Buu's power. Vegeta and Goku wern't even born when Kid Buu absorbed the Southern Supreme Kai.. Jeangabin666 09:18, December 7, 2011 (UTC)
Or were they??? -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 10X.Ka.me.ha.me.ha.....talk.....contrib. 09:51, December 7, 2011 (UTC)
@10X_Kamehameha- This is not true, given my 3 reasons before, plus the Japanese translations saying that Buu did lose power when he absorbed the Kais. Tameness = less power, as taking FPSSJ Gohan vs Cell as an example. Gohan get's angrier, while as FPSSJ, and hurts Cell with a kick to the face when before he didn't do much damage at all while he was not as angry/annoyed etc. . There are countless possibilities that I can list of this being true: Goku turning SSJ when Krillin died, Vegeta's Final Flash, Cell turning into his Power-Weighted form etc.; all of this is coming from them getting angry. SaiyanZ 02:34, December 8, 2011 (UTC)
@Jeangabin666- They weren't afraid, worried is more like it. Vegeta has every reason to be worried since he is not strong enough to contend with Buu, and Goku should be, given the SSJ3 weaknesss he told Piccolo at Kami's Lookout after he fought Fat Buu. Again, they didn't base their victory on his power level, the exact quotes they made were "He's a midget!" (Vegeta) & "Great!" (Goku). They were not basing it on his power level, and instead his size (they never said his power went down). This is the same exact reaction Vegeta had against both Frieza (when Dende healed him) and Cell (when he was Super Vegeta and Cell reached his Perfect Form). The main problem with the sentence is that "his power" is referring to Kid Buu, when it should be referring to Super Buu. Also, like I said, Goku and Vegeta NEVER said Buu's power went down after Ultra Buu became Kid Buu. The sentence should be written as "According to Goku and Vegeta, Buu's power went up when he transformed from Super Buu to Kid Buu.....blah blah blah". You see how that makes much more sense? Then you should remove "the went back down when he reverted to Kid Buu" part because this is not true. Not a single comment was made about his power level SaiyanZ 02:34, December 8, 2011 (UTC)

Tameness does not mean less power, that's only sometimes the case, if ever. Goku didn't blow up Namek, the reckless tyrant Frieza did, but Goku was certainly stronger than Frieza. In terms of Gohan's power, he always has the potential, he just doesn't always use it. This is actually a crux of all of DBZ. As Ultimate Gohan he is as strong as he will ever be, and it is also a much calmer form than Super Saiyan (SS, FPSS, SS2). -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 10X.Ka.me.ha.me.ha.....talk.....contrib. 02:53, December 8, 2011 (UTC)

Yes it does. You're comparing it wrong. We're talking about it affecting one person, not two people. I do agree with you, just because one person is angry and the other person is calm, doesn't mean that angry person's PL > calm person's PL, with SSJ2 Gohan vs Cell a prime example. I'm referring it to one person alone. Let's take Goku for instance: his power level increased when turned SSJ against Frieza (he turned SSJ because of anger over Krillin's death). Vegeta's PL increased when he used the Final Flash over anger at his inferiority to Cell (we know PL increased as seen by Goku's Kamehameha and Piccolo's SBC vs. Raditz). Cell went Power-Weighted because of his anger. Trunks was able to blow Vegeta away from the battlefield because he got angry (when Cell was trying to absorb 18). The list goes on and on SaiyanZ 03:01, December 8, 2011 (UTC)

If you're talking about new forms resulting from anger, than that doesn't work for the change from Kid Buu to Ultra Buu, since it was an absorption. Whereas Super Saiyan results from anger, Majin Buu was calm as a biproduct of an existing transformation. Also, there is no evidence whatsoever showing that Buu's emotions changed after absorbing only Southern Supreme Kai, meaning all this tameness talk is actually irrelevant. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 10X.Ka.me.ha.me.ha.....talk.....contrib. 03:07, December 8, 2011 (UTC)

No no no, I am not talking new forms. I am talking strictly power level/strength. And, this tameness talk is relevant if the Viz Media license is involved. However, if we go with the truer Japanese, it explicitly says Kid Buu lost power after absorbing the Kais SaiyanZ 10:24, December 8, 2011 (UTC)
To be more specific, if I compare an angry FPSSJ Goku to a calm FPSSJ Goku, the angrier version will have the greater strength/power level. SaiyanZ 11:01, December 8, 2011 (UTC)

Can you please show me the quote specifically about Ultra Buu (just Southern Supreme Kai Absorbed) being "tamer" or "calmer" than Kid Buu? So far I have only heard this emotional change occurring after the change to Majin Buu after 4 Supreme Kais had been absorbed. Also Ultra Buu is not the same form as Kid Buu, unlike calm vs. angry FPSS, which are the same form. If you indeed have the af signatureorementioned quote necessary to your argument's validity, the resulting comparison would be akin to an angry semi-perfect Cell vs. calm perfect Cell. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 10X.Ka.me.ha.me.ha.....talk.....contrib. 23:59, December 8, 2011 (UTC)

It's in the Viz Media license, so it'll be in English. I don't have a scan, but I can show you the quote via video. Here is the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUX1EKNDBOI. Pause at 4:07, and there's the quote. Also, when did Majin Buu absorb four Supreme Kais? And again, I'm strictly talking about a person's strength/power level, not their forms. I just gave the FPSSJ example just for the sake of explaining. SaiyanZ 07:13, December 9, 2011 (UTC)

The quote from the manga is "The next to be absorbed was the chubby but gentle great lord of lords. Before this, Boo was pure evil, a failure that Bibbidi himself couldn't handle. But afterwards, he calmed down to the point that Bibbidi was able to bring him under control." This quote shows that Buu was pure evil, no personality change, up until the point where he absorbs Grand Supreme Kai. You were right about the 4 question, my bad, it was actually just the two (he killed West and North). So here is the summary. First, Kid Buu + South = Ultra Buu, who has no personality change, but becomes more powerful based on everything we have ever seen in terms of absorptions in the series. Next, Ultra Buu + Grand Supreme = Majin Buu, who we are not talking about, and is stated by your quote to be the first personality change experienced by Buu.

So there you have it, the direct manga quote you presented proves that the manga says there is no personality change whatsoever between Kid Buu and Ultra Buu, he is pure evil in both incarnations. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 10X.Ka.me.ha.me.ha.....talk.....contrib. 07:31, December 9, 2011 (UTC)

Also, that video is terrible lol. The guy says that Good Buu is weaker than Evil Buu due to personality, but that Majin Buu is stronger than Kid Buu because Evil Buu is slightly stronger than Kid Buu, despite Majin Buu also having a non-pure personality. I hope you're not making this argument based on some not so well thought out fan-videos... -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 10X.Ka.me.ha.me.ha.....talk.....contrib. 07:40, December 9, 2011 (UTC)

...Wait what? Elder Kai clearly says "The soulS he ate tamed him" @ 4:07 & then Kibito Kai says "...Yes..." @ 4:11. It wasn't only Grand Supreme Kai but South Supreme Kai who tamed him as well according to those 2 quotes. And hell no, I agree with you that video is terrible lol, I only provided it to show you the quote SaiyanZ 07:54, December 9, 2011 (UTC)

You just totally ignored what I said... what do you think of the quote I posted from the video? It proves specifically that there was no personality change until after Grand Supreme Kai was absorbed. Before moving on and talking about other things, you have to give me some reason not to believe the manga quote there. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 10X.Ka.me.ha.me.ha.....talk.....contrib. 08:50, December 9, 2011 (UTC)
To make it clearer, I don't see any alternative to my point of view for the first quote, which says that there was no change until after Grand Supreme got absorbed. For the second quote (the souls he ate...), they obviously mean that he was tamed because of eating good people because it's plural, what he doesn't say is when that happens. From what you are saying, you think that it was a gradual change, and that the two quotes contradict each other. The other possibility is that the souls collectively made him good when combined, but that Grand Supreme "tips the scales" so to speak, and his absorption prompts the personality change and accompanying physical transformation. In this case the quotes, which are one after another, agree. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 10X.Ka.me.ha.me.ha.....talk.....contrib. 09:42, December 9, 2011 (UTC)
If the souls collectively made Buu tamer, then that means South Supreme Kai did play a role in that action. If he didn't, then why use the term collectively? If Grand Supreme Kai was the only influence in Buu being able to be controlled, Elder Kai should have just referred to him instead of "souls". I agree that Grand Supreme Kai was what prompted him to be controlled, but that doesn't remove the fact that he was tamed. Sure, he wasn't controllable, but who is to say that he (Ultra Buu) wasn't tamer than before (Kid Buu)? And I know this is no place for this, but my 2 previous reason at the start easily support this SaiyanZ 12:02, December 9, 2011 (UTC)
That point aside, I think we deviated from the true purpose of this discussion, so I'll explain that first point in a clearer way. If I'm visiting the Kid Buu page and know next to nothing about Dragon Ball, and I read the sentence "According to Goku and Vegeta, his power spiked up when he changed to Ultra Buu, but went back down when he reverted to Kid Buu.", I'd interpet this as Kid Buu's power spiked up (remember this is according to Goku and Vegeta) when the situation that actually happened was Super Buu transforming into Ultra Buu. This is when Goku and Vegeta say his power is going up. The article then says but went back down when he reverted to Kid Buu. So now, I as a reader read it as "According to Goku and Vegeta, Buu's power went back down when he reverted to Kid Buu". This is where I have a problem. Regardless of whether you or I have differing views on who is stronger between Kid Buu and Ultra Buu, Buu's power did not go down according to Goku and Vegeta. What did go 'down', according to Goku and Vegeta, was his size. If you need the quote, check the video at 3:46. As you can see, no power level/strength reference is made. Only size SaiyanZ 21:24, December 9, 2011 (UTC)

To your first comment, yes, the souls played a role, but he first quote clearly states that there was absolutely zero tameness until after Grand Supreme was absorbed. The second quote means that the souls collectively made him good when combined, but that Grand Supreme "tips the scales" so to speak, and his absorption prompts the personality change and accompanying physical transformation. The first quote, which you continue to ignore, disproved any tameness or weakening before Grand Supreme Kai is absorbed. This means that we can be absolutely 100% sure that Ultra Buu is stronger than Kid Buu. As for the article, it would be fine to add "Super" before the first reference of Buu if it is unclear. As for Goku and Vegeta saying that Kid Buu is weaker than his previous form, this is probably not based on the size reference like the video we agreed was terrible might say, but rather on the fact that Goku and Vegeta agreed confidently that only now could they defeat Buu. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 10X.Ka.me.ha.me.ha.....talk.....contrib. 05:59, December 10, 2011 (UTC)

I agree with you, no personality change was made until Grand Supreme Kai was absorbed. But, if we are to believe that the souls collectively made him tame, then South Supreme Kai has to have had some effect. Sure, South Supreme Kai alone didn't make Buu controllable. This doesn't mean that he was not tamer than when he was Kid Buu. Buu was still wild, but his recklessness was more controlled than before; however, like you and the quote says, not enough for Bibidi to control him. Would you like a Japanese translation by any chance, one where it explicitly says his power was decreased? I can provide you with a respectable source: http://daizex.fanboyreview.net/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=15488&start=0.
In relation to the article, the video is wrong and terrible, no qualms there, but the sources it provides are all Viz Media. In addition, later when Vegeta stops to chat with Goku during his fight with Kid Buu, they both agree that Kid Buu was something they could not handle. Goku at this point also regrets not using the Potara to fight him: http://www.mangareader.net/105-3160-13/dragon-ball/chapter-511.html SaiyanZ 23:42, December 10, 2011 (UTC)

"This doesn't mean that he was not tamer than when he was Kid Buu." Yes, the manga does mean this, as the quote says that it is the case, "The next to be absorbed was the chubby but gentle great lord of lords. Before this, Boo was pure evil, a failure that Bibbidi himself couldn't handle. But afterwards, he calmed down to the point that Bibbidi was able to bring him under control." I would love a respectable source that is somehow more important than the manga itself, however Daizex is a fan blog which is an equivalent source to any given statement in the conversation we're currently having. While it's true that Goku regretted not using Potara later in the fight, Kid Buu's power was stated to be lower. To clear up what I think might be misleading, Goku and Vegeta are not strong enough to beat either Super Buu or Kid Buu, but they feel they will do better against Kid Buu. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 10X.Ka.me.ha.me.ha.....talk.....contrib. 23:58, December 10, 2011 (UTC)

Alright, I see your point. I still hold by my view, given I have proof, but seeing as your POV can be proven via Viz (something we all can read), I won't argue anymore. I'm supposing because it's not as official as Viz. Kid Buu's power was stated to be lower- when was this stated again? Goku is strong enough to beat both Super and Kid if we go by Daizex. SaiyanZ 09:40, December 11, 2011 (UTC)

Daizex is a fan blog which is an equivalent source to any given statement in the conversation we're currently having. For example, I can say that Cell is actually red, not green, and then write on a different site "Cell is red (ref=DBZ Wiki talk)," and that would have the same amount of credibility as you using Daizex here. There is a reason why manga has a level of canon in our Manual of Style but blogs do not. Anyone can write whatever they want online, but that doesn't make it true at all.

Goku and Vegeta inside Super Buu state that they don't have a chance, but when they are outside of him facing Kid Buu, they decide confidently that they can defeat him. Even though they don't initially win, their confidence shows that they have set a much lower bar for Kid Buu than they did against Super Buu. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 10X.Ka.me.ha.me.ha.....talk.....contrib. 09:50, December 11, 2011 (UTC)

Knowing Vegeta, as soon as he saw Kid Buu he would have though, "A kid, well this will be much easier'. This exact same happened with Vegeta after Cell transformed.Gokussj3uc4 BardockGoku  talk  contribs Goku SSJ Namek by shadsonic2-1- 09:53, December 11, 2011 (UTC)

Except that we all know Cell is green given the manga. But more importantly, that's not dialog. And when you have that many people working on a project like that for several months plus revision, I find it very hard to believe that it's not precise. But then again, it's not as official as Viz Media so I'm not arguing about it's credibility. The reason I don't trust Viz Media is because their translations are downight hilarious at times. For instance, Vegerot (when his name is Vegetto) & Planetary Catastrophe Construction from Naruto (when it should simply be called Lunar Meteor etc.). That's the only reason I trust Herms's translations over Viz Media's, but hey, I'm not trying to change opinions over here.
On my profile page, I wreck this claim but that's only according to Herms translations & mangareaer.net, not Viz Media. I hope we can still be friends and not have any animosity :( SaiyanZ 19:50, December 11, 2011 (UTC)

For better or for worse, we rely on official publications over fan work. And yah, no problem. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 10X.Ka.me.ha.me.ha.....talk.....contrib. 00:34, December 12, 2011 (UTC)

You seem to be similar to DragonBallFights on Youtube but far more friendly. Anyway I will show you the weakest to strongest

Weakest:

Fat Buu

Evil Buu

Majin Buu

Kid Buu

Super Buu

Buff Buu (Ultra Buu)

Buuccolo

Buutenks

Buuhan.

Super Buu > Kid Buu cause I think it was stated that SSJ3 Gotenks > SSJ3 Goku. As Goku was completely impressed with Gotenks strength and not to mention he said something like this "A Super Saiyan Fusion will easily be able to defeat Majin Buu" and SSJ3 Goku had a bit of trouble with him but surely still stronger. This implies that SSJ Gotenks = SSJ3 Goku. Now SSJ3 Gotenks was pounding Super Buu into the ground when he was serious. And using logic Mystic Gohan > SSJ3 Gotenks > Super Buu >> SSJ3 Goku > Kid Buu. What are you so afraid of Cell?Gohan Super Saiyan 2 19:42, February 13, 2013 (UTC)

I am familiar with that channel, but I don't agree with him as wholly as I used to. And thanks, I try to be friendly especially when it comes to this debate. But no, it was not stated that SSJ3 Gotenks > SSJ3 Goku, though he did say something along the lines of "Buu seemed satisfied when I told him someone stronger than me would end up fighting him". The problem with this is that, we never see a panel where he explicitly states this because he uses IT back to the Lookout right after. Of course, if he had told Buu that Gotenks > Goku, than I wouldn't even bother arguing XDSaiyanZ 01:35, August 3, 2013 (UTC)

Kid Buu not using the chocolate beam.

Kid Buu DID use the chocolate beam in the manga,but goku dogded and hited a rock instead,why don't we add this???

Power section of article

Hey guys, I know we talked about this earlier and please forgive me if we already went over this, but I have problems with the sentence "According to Goku and Vegeta, his power spiked up when he changed from Super Buu to Ultra Buu, but went back down when he reverted to Kid Buu". The problem I have with this sentence is the part after the second comma. When I go back to the Viz Media scan (seen here:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUX1EKNDBOI at 3:46), no statement of his strength was made by either Goku or Vegeta. Given their eagerness, we see that perhaps this sentence is correct in its wording. However, their later reactions against Kid Buu easily supersede their reaction at 3:46: http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v42/c008/12.html, http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v42/c008/13.html

So if I'm reading the sentence, I garner the conclusion that Buu's power went down when he changed from Ultra Buu to Kid Buu, according to Goku and Vegeta. However, given the link, this conclusion is wrong. Even though I don't think Ultra Buu > Kid Buu (a topic I don't aim to bring up), I think we should change the wording of the sentence to make it truer and more factual. SaiyanZ 00:49, February 25, 2012 (UTC)

The topic two up proves conclusively that Ultra Buu is stronger than Kid Buu, this really isn't worth bringing up again. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 10X.Ka.me.ha.me.ha.....talk.....contrib. 01:19, February 25, 2012 (UTC)

Like I said, my aim is not Kid Buu > Ultra Buu. I'm just addressing the wording of the sentence nothing else. SaiyanZ 19:08, February 27, 2012 (UTC)

So then you think that what they said later negates what they said earlier? Even if they changed their minds, it doesn't mean that they didn't say the earlier thing too. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 10X.Ka.me.ha.me.ha.....talk.....contrib. 01:39, February 28, 2012 (UTC)
Well of course. The same could be said about Goku and his assessment of Fat Buu' strength. When he talks with Piccolo he says he cannot win even at SSJ3, but before his fight with Kid Buu he says he can, but didn't so that the boys would have a chance SaiyanZ 22:09, March 15, 2012 (UTC)
So are we in agreement then? SaiyanZ 01:37, August 3, 2013 (UTC)

Better infobox

Hello everyone, I came here to propose that we change the infobox picture to this one:

BetterBuuImage

New one.

This picture describes Kid Buu's personality much better than the previous one. New Signature 01:28, August 21, 2012 (UTC)

His noodle is cut off. That's a defining feature. Appearance>personality in infobox images. Goku SS3Shakuran13Tapion with bladeThisDragonFistGokuHirudegarnMovie13endsKonatsian wizard with effectsNOW!SS3Rush 01:33, August 21, 2012 (UTC)

But the other image has him looking like he's bored to death, which is not like his personality. This one capture Buu's personality a lot more. New Signature 22:04, August 22, 2012 (UTC)

Why not try andfind one with this face, but a full body image? -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 10X.Ka.me.ha.me.ha.....talk.....contrib. 22:32, August 22, 2012 (UTC)


I've always liked this picture better. How about this one? I know it doesn't show his full body, but just look at that face he's making. 
FirstFrame (3)

His expression gives off an aura of madness that clearly shows his true evil.











Look at that creepy smile. He looks ready like he's about to kill you and enjoy it. This picture just symbolizes the definition of crazy and insane. Babe SigRafealxPhoenixVegetaSSVsAndroid18NV01Talk | ContribsSS6 Goku 05:39, December 30, 2012 (UTC)

Muttaqix

How did Vegeta and Goku become so strong just by fusing? With there power there stronger then Piccolo, Gohan, Trunks, Goten and Majin Buu himself? :/ i'm confused...Muttaqix (talk) 21:16, September 5, 2012 (UTC)

Fusion raises their power exponentially, resulting in more power than just the two combined... somehow, lol. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 10X.Ka.me.ha.me.ha.....talk.....contrib. 22:10, September 5, 2012 (UTC)

Oh thought so just making sure thanks :) —This unsigned comment was made by 184.145.55.64 (talkcontribs) Please sign your posts with ~~~~ next time!

Quote change

Current quote: "Me Buu, not you!"

Proposed quote: "Me Buu, kill you!"

You see the quote that's been chosen for this page? Since Kid Buu is the most insane and dangerous Buu of all the others, I think we should change it because this quote better defines his dangerous personality of being this heartless killing machine who has no remorse whatsoever. Your thoughts? RafealxPhoenix (talk) 00:44, December 29, 2012 (UTC)

I agree with the proposed change. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 10X.Ka.me.ha.me.ha.....talk.....contrib. 05:58, December 29, 2012 (UTC)
Anyone else in favor of the proposed change? RafealxPhoenix (talk) 17:08, December 29, 2012 (UTC)

Give it like a week, and then no response means you're good to go. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 10X.Ka.me.ha.me.ha.....talk.....contrib. 02:31, December 31, 2012 (UTC)

I agree. This one's more indicative of his volatile personality. Goku SS3Shakuran13Tapion with bladeThisDragonFistGokuHirudegarnMovie13endsKonatsian wizard with effectsNOW!SS3Rush 02:37, December 31, 2012 (UTC)

I agree as well 391094 10150425790449103 22245934102 8480194 1625871859 nSSJ Sean x20 Talk ContribsNormal vegito2 23:22, January 1, 2013 (UTC)

Should we wait a few more days? Babe SigRafealxPhoenixVegetaSSVsAndroid18NV01Talk | ContribsSS6 Goku 18:55, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

If you ask me, it's time, but perhaps 10X should give the go-ahead? Goku SS3Shakuran13Tapion with bladeThisDragonFistGokuHirudegarnMovie13endsKonatsian wizard with effectsNOW!SS3Rush 23:35, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

Sure. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 10X.Ka.me.ha.me.ha.....talk.....contrib. 00:57, January 7, 2013 (UTC)

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Who keeps editing the Kid Buu article?. —This unsigned comment was made by TrunksI (talkcontribs) Please sign your posts with ~~~~ next time!

I undone two edits by one person and please sign your post.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  21:38,1/27/2013 

Destroying Earth trivia

I'm right, you're wrong. There, I left a message on the talk page. Since you made the first revert, you can leave your part of the argument (concerning how I am wrong when I believe Kid Buu is the only villain to destroy Earth) first. SS7S1BuuSS7S2 uuuSS7S3 uuuSS7S5 uuuSS7S4 uuu!!SS7S6 19:32, May 6, 2013 (UTC)

Your sarcasm is quite counterproductive. Many villains destroy planets. Several things destroy the Earth. Just grouping things until it's specific enough to only have one is not interesting enough to be trivia. For instance, Goku is the only Super Saiyan... who kills Frieza... who is full-blooded. By that point it's not trivia, it's just a regular plot point. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 10X.Ka.me.ha.me.ha.....talk.....contrib. 22:20, May 6, 2013 (UTC)
  • Earth is one of the most important planets in the series. Goku was sent and grew up there, and it serves as a home for most of the series' heroes. It isn't just any planet.
  • Your example about Frieza is way less important than the Earth's destruction. Earth appears in all three series as well as all of the movies. Frieza appears only in three (depending on how you categorize it) seasons of one series, with only a not-so-big appearance and minor cameos afterwards (easily defeated by Future Trunks; easily defeated by Pikkon; easily defeat by Gohan; easily defeated by Goku). Not to mention there are more beings that attempted to destroy Earth compared to how many people attempted to kill Frieza. Kid Buu is the only one to destroy Earth; Frieza has been defeated by multiple people.

And Goku didn't kill Frieza. He was rebuilt, and thus was most likely just in a coma-like state after his defeat by Goku. If you count his GT instance, he was already in Hell and dead. SS7S1BuuSS7S2 uuuSS7S3 uuuSS7S5 uuuSS7S4 uuu!!SS7S6 23:15, May 6, 2013 (UTC)

You didn't even address my point. And your qualification of the "death" of Frieza furthers the notion that conditional features make the details of one out of a few instances of one out of a lot of planets' destruction not worth a second mention in a separate article's (Kid Buu's) trivia section. It's already in the article once and doesn't need to be in it again. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 10X.Ka.me.ha.me.ha.....talk.....contrib. 02:14, May 7, 2013 (UTC)

Majin Buu

I've found this to be a way more tricky debate than I figured it would be. Ok, I am going to start with Kid Buu and see if I can't figure this out. Correct me anywhere I'm wrong, but do not say any of the following: SSJ3 is not better than SSJ3 Gotenks or Mystic Gohan, or that the English Dubbed Anime/Manga means nothing, since Japnese and Englsih Manga or Anime, are part of the DBZ Universe. Ok, Bibidi creates Kid Buu. He is pure evil. Struggled against SSK, and decided to absorb him. Now, at this point there is no indication that Kid Buu is weaker than SSK. They are even or Kid Buu is stronger. Now this cause him to change and creates Ultra Buu. This Kai did not weaken him. Now, after figthing with Super Grand Kai, he again absobs him as well. This creates Fat Buu. Now, Fat Buu gained power from the SGK, but he also gained a childish mind. Which, not only made him easier to manipulate, but also, contained his power. Let me explain, Bibidi says if Buu serves him he will feed him cake forever. So, easier to manipulate. The good heart of the SGK (not the SSK) caused his Full power to be restrained. So, with the innocent mind of a child would make Fat Buu not even want to do his own deeds, but to do as he is told. Now, keep in mind he is still Buu. A monster created for killing. Explaining why when SSJ3 Goku pounded on him, why he liked it. Now, after a fight with Gotenks, he befriends Hercule, and ultimately the SGK's plan is finally being put into effect. Hercule shows him what it means to have a friend and a good heart. After Bee is killed, this causes Fat Buu to go crazy. Now, he seperates into 2 entities. Evil Buu and Good Buu. Now, Evil Buu is the presence of Kid Buu inside of Buu. Now released, Evil Buu is the mind of Kid Buu with out being Buu. Now, Good Buu is the the combination of SSK, SGK, and the goodness inside Buu that Hercule found. This means that Good Buu and Evil Buu are weaker than Fat Buu. Now, as they fight, Evil Buu wins (as they are both part of Buu, and the evil has always had more power than the good) and absorbs Good Buu. Super Buu is born. Now, Super Buu is the same as Fat Buu, but without the GSK's effects making him innocent and restraining his power. Now Kid Buu is basically in control of his body again, but the GSK stil causes him to have a soft spot for Hercule and Bee. So, this means that Super buu is Kid Buu with power SSK, and GSK, without the power restraining. Meaning, thus far Super Buu is the strongest Buu to appear. Again, no "real" restrain on his power. Now, he fights against SSJ3 Gotenks and almost loses. Or he was warming up, which ever you believe, either way it didn't matter because he was no match for Gohan. In desperation, he absrobs Piccolo and SSJ3 Gotenks. Now, Piccolo has been a good soul since the Dragon Ball days, and has the previous Kame-sama inside of him. Goten and Trunks are kids, innocent. However, they are not 100% pure of heart. So, Buu did not get a restrain on power like he did from the GSK, but an increase like he did from the SSK. This makes Buutenks undoubtedly the strongest form yet. Now, when the fusion runs out, Buutenks is fighting Goku while Gohan tries to find an earing. In the Anime Filler he is a SSJ3, and no match for Buutenks. Buuiccolo is born, and SSJ3 Goku says "You don't expect to beat me like that do you?" (Anime) and in the Manga he says "Even Gohan can beat you now." Now, that could imply a whole hell of a lot about SSJ3 Goku and Ultimate Gohan, but that's not what we are talking about. So, Buuiccolo would be Super Buu with the power of Piccolo, Goten, and Trunks (SSJs).  So, since they didn't decrease his power, that means that Buuiccolo is stronger than Super Buu, but weaker than Buutenks. He then preceeds to absorb Gohan and create the strongest form of Buu ever. Buuhan. As Gohan is stronger than SSj3 Gotenks, then so would Buuhan be stronger than Buutenks, Now, they rip out some pods, and revert him back to Super Buu. Now, at this point we've established that Buuiccolo is stronger than Super Buu, and Goku was confident about fighting him. That means that Goku was worn out and tired when he made the comment about Super Buu killing him and Vegeta. However, Goku said it, so we will just believe it for now. Vegeta notices a pod. Good Buu is in it. This means that when Super Buu was born, the spirit of the GSK became one with Good Buu, causing them to almost bascially be the fusion form of Buu and GSK. The spirit of the SSK, went into Uub. Now, Vegeta rips the pod, and that is  when the SSK spirit actually leaves, as he was completley absorbed into Buu's body at this point. We notice this when he reverts back to Ultra Buu. Now, when SSJ3 Goku fights Fat Buu, Piccolo notes that his power increases with every hit. Almost like a zenkai type of power up. As Ultra Buu is changing, Goku and Vegeta says his power is rising. That means that the Ultra Buu we see here is stronger than Super Buu. Why? Becasue the ability to get stronger, he is still no Buuhan or Buutenks, but over time his power has increased that much. He reverts back to Kid Buu, pure evil. Not the esscence of himself (Evil Buu) but now 100% evil in control. Nothing to hold him from tapping into his power. However, he lost all his additonal power from other people. So this means that the Kid Buu at the end of DBZ is much stronger than the Kid Buu that obsorbed the Kai's, as he would be about on par with Evil Buu at the time of his creation. Now, Goku mopped Fat Buu, but he was not using full power or really doing any critical damgage to Buu. He fought pretty evenly with Kid Buu and said he thought he had the power ot destroy him. He also says that his power has doubled since their last fight. Kid Buu does much better than Fat Buu, implying that over time Buu really does just get stronger. He has nothing to restrain his power (No GSK) but also has no extra boosts. He does have his memory, and experience. Now, Goku admits he can beat Kid Buu. But just minutes before is confident that he and Vegeta could not beat Super Buu.  So this also says that even though Kid Buu is much stronger than he was a birth, he is still weaker than Super Buu. So, the GSK "weakend" Buu, but it ultimatley didn't matter. Also, I know that Fat Buu and Super Buu are made of the same beings, but so are Gogeta and Veku.

Good Buu-Buu Saga

Kid Buu-Pre DBZ/Evil Buu-Buu Saga

Ultra Buu-Pre DBZ

Fat Buu- Pre DBZ

Fat Buu- Buu Saga

Kid Buu-Buu Saga/ Uub Post DBZ

Super Buu-Buu Saga

Ultra Buu-Buu Saga

Buuiccolo-Buu Saga

Buutenks-Buu Saga

Buuhan-Buu Saga

Majuub-DBGT

Ultimatessj1 (talk) 14:42, March 1, 2014 (UTC)UltimateSSJ1

Does this post have something to do with editing the article? -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 10X.Ka.me.ha.me.ha.....talk.....contrib. 03:19, March 3, 2014 (UTC)
When I posted it somehow your comment got moved into my post, I tried to put it back in your conversation, but it posted as a headline, so I left it alone. But I see you fixed it, so sorry bout that.Ultimatessj1 (talk) 17:53, March 3, 2014 (UTC)UltimateSSJ1

Does Kid Buu have Anti-Social Personality Disorder?

Well, Kid Buu seems to fit many of the traits of Anti-Social Personality Disorder: no form of compassion nor remorse for any of his actions, extreme selfishness to the point being incapable of developing empathy and comprehending nature of his actions, being extremely impulsive, having a penchant for sadism, being very aggressive, and being quick-to-anger. —This unsigned comment was made by VJF&RMF (talkcontribs) on 23:21, April 7, 2014 Please sign your posts with ~~~~ next time!

He's an abomination older than time. — A (tc)

Dark Kid Buu

sounds like a made up name Nikon23 11:49PM 12/16/2014

  • It is, since the form does not have an official name the name "Dark Majin Buu" is used.--Neffyarious (talk) 06:49, December 17, 2014 (UTC)

kid Buu meats a female Majin

what do you think would happen if the Young majin were to meet attractive female of his race? i kinda feel he would blush and studer around a lot.Then become as whipped as Vegeta and Goku. —This unsigned comment was made by Guyver92 (talkcontribs) Please sign your posts with ~~~~ next time!

Well... I think Kid Buu might kill her? xD I highly doubt Kid Buu thinks that way. Fat Buu did when he found an attractive girl (but may be because of the influence of emotions with the Kai's inside him). Kid Buu is nothing but evil and has no real emotions other than to kill. Ripto (talk) 23:43, July 18, 2015 (UTC)

Why was my edit removed?

I quoted the Daizenshuu, used proper references to the original anime that clear out some aspects of the rather ambiguous english dub quote and I get basically censored, since everything isn't even rephrased but simply cut. May I at least know why?LuminaireX (talk) 10:43, October 31, 2015 (UTC)

Why were my edits regressed? I had just added some truthful info.

LuminaireX (talk) 10:54, October 31, 2015 (UTC)

How to redirect pages on here?

I seem to have done that on here: http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Small_Buu and it doesn't work. Does anyone know how to do it? Thanks. .*.MonkiiDaPuma.*. (talk) 03:20, November 15, 2016 (UTC)

I fixed it, from now on do it like this #REDIRECT then the page you want to redirect to in [[]]. Also article talk pages are to discuss conflicting edits and edit wars.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  03:48,11/15/2016 

Kid Buu: Most Powerful Buu?

This is a space to discuss the titular topic of this thread. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 10X.Ka.me.ha.me.ha.....talk.....contrib. 22:20, March 26, 2017 (UTC)

I don't care what that guy or that book claims, Kid Buu isn't the most powerful. Ultimate Gohan, a character stated by Akira to be stronger than SSJ3 Goku, mopped the floor with base form Super Buu and fought in almost equal terms when he absorbed Gotenks and Piccolo until the latter filled him with doubt. Also, Vegito mopped the floor with Super Buu (Gohan absorbed) and he would've annihilated Kid Buu in an instant. I doubt that the book that guy referred to was written by the creator himself. It probably was written by someone else and didn't really get into depth of the series.Rogeta234 (talk) 23:29, March 26, 2017 (UTC)

Meaning of "Majin"

Right, so I'm just going to start a discussion here instead of endlessly reverting pages because I don't feel like correcting something if it's going to get reverted an hour later.

"Majin" as a term doesn't have a good translation in English, it refers to someone with supernatural powers, but the definition is very, very broad. Majin can refer to an evil spirit or demon, a sorcerer or wizard, or a djinn or genie, among other things.

Buu's name is not able to be literally translated because "Majin" doesn't have a simple equivalent in English that accurately represents the meaning. "Person with supernatural powers Buu" isn't a good translation because it's too verbose, and doesn't reflect a title, like "Majin" does. "Majin" can be translated as "demon" but in this case it does nothing to differentiate Majins from other demons, like Devilman, Dabura, or King Piccolo's spawn.

In my opinion, the individual names on Buu's pages do not need a literal translation for "Majin", as the meaning is noted on the Majin page, and anyone familiar with the series will not be confused by the meaning of the word.

However, if people feel that there has to be a translation, "Djinn" is the most accurate choice here, though this isn't a one-to-one translation. "Majin" is used interchangably with Djinn in Japanese in some cases, Buu is clearly based off of a djinn/genie as indicated by his arabian-style clothes, and "Djinn" has been used in the official Viz translation.

Like I said, I don't feel as though Majin needs a literal translation, as it refers to a specific concept in the series. "Karate" means "empty hand" literally, but if a chapter or name of something was called "Karate Master", we wouldn't translate it as "Empty Hand Master", as Karate refers to a specific concept. I feel this way about other pages as well, like the Kai Planet, as "World of the Kaioshin"/"World of the Supreme Kai" is a much more succinct translation that "World of the Gods of the Kings of the Worlds", which is confusing and overly verbose, but have not changed it as the listed translation isn't technically wrong, however Majin is a much more ambiguous case. Thoughts? BubbleRevolution (talk) 06:02, March 22, 2018 (UTC)

"World of the Gods of the Kings of the Worlds" is an accurate translation from "Kaiōshinkai (界王神界)" because the realm in itself is the world of the divine beings that are superior to the Kai. Wc12271991 (talk) 06:14, March 22, 2018 (UTC)
I'm by no means calling it inaccurate, just overly verbose and confusing. "Kaioshin" has a specific meaning noted on its page, and "World of the Kaioshin/Supreme Kai" is a much more succinct translation that gets the meaning across better in my opinion. If one were to question the meaning of "Kaioshin", they could go to the page for that, "Majin" should work by the same principal, IMO. Like I said, I haven't changed it because it's not wrong, just awkwardly phrased and hard to understand at first glance. BubbleRevolution (talk) 06:26, March 22, 2018 (UTC)
"World King God World" is a shorter translation. Wc12271991 (talk) 06:29, March 22, 2018 (UTC)
That's even more confusing, though. "World King God World" just looks like a mishmash of words. BubbleRevolution (talk) 06:43, March 22, 2018 (UTC)
Yeah. Do you think Makyō-sei (魔凶星) literally translates to "Demonic Planet" or "Planet Makyo"? Wc12271991 (talk) 06:48, March 22, 2018 (UTC)
I'd go with "Planet Makyo", as "Makyo" appears to be a name, like "Namek", even though it's written in Kanji. "Makyo" does happen a Japanese word meaning "Devil's cave", but it's written differently (魔境), so they're not the same word. BubbleRevolution (talk) 06:53, March 22, 2018 (UTC)
Oh. Wc12271991 (talk) 06:56, March 22, 2018 (UTC)