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[edit] Unnamed Character Merger Proposition

I think a nice thing to do here is to fuse all these regular unnamed soldiers into one article. For example, there's a few hundred soldiers allied with Frieza (random and unnamed) and same as these terrafreeze soldiers working for Slug...and countless Majin Grunts working for Babidi (some killed by Yakon and some killed by Gohan). All these characters should be on one page and it should be called "Random Soldiers" or something of that nature. It would be space efficient and an easily accessible resource. It would also save us from having separate articles for all these lesser than tertiary characters. - PrinceZarbon 04:24, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

After much extensive searching, I have located the following to have multiple inaccuracies, aside from their extreme non-notability:

  • Strock - See Oggers.
  • Strong - See Oggers.
  • Zeso - There is no Zeso. He was just an "unnamed soldier" in many millions who flew out. This is a fictitious name. Best name to give him is "Frieza Soldier" as is given in the Budokai Tenkaichi series.
  • Rittain - There is no Rittain. That is also a fake name. This character was filler and mentioned as "Birdbrain" or something of that nature. Best name would be "Unnamed Bird-like Soldier".
  • Pomegren - The best name we can attribute to this character is "Frog-Face" or "Unnamed Frog-Face Soldier" but his name is NOT, I repeat, NOT Pomegren. That is a fictional fan-made name. It needs to be fixed, something many of these articles suffer.
  • Oggers - very inconsequential. This definitely needs to be fused/merged into a list, along with Goose, etc.
  • Joran - see above.
  • Goose - see above.
  • Gallo - see above.
  • Captain Jaggerai - There is no Captain Jaggerai. This is a fictitious name. This needs to be just simply "Captain" or "Unnamed Captain".
  • Commander - This is the best format of naming we can give to this character; the same should be done to many others listed here.
  • Tanger - Not a real name. See below.
  • Grepe - Not a real name. See below.
  • Commander Cado - Not a real name. None of the warriors of Dodoria's elite are named.
  • Boysenberry - Incorrect name. Does not exist.
  • Orin - Not a real name.
  • Brocco - Unnamed character.
  • Pumpkin - Unnamed character.
  • Tsuno - Not a real name. This Namek elder was NEVER named Tsuno. This is a fan-made name and should be erased. This should be "Unnamed Namekian Elder".

These are the examples of who can be fused into one page. Some of them are wrong names and were never named in the series nor the manga and people have wrongfully added fancruft fiction and created their own names (which do not correspond to the canonicity). Most of these should either be fused/merged or removed entirely if they are not renamed to "Unnamed Soldier" or "Unnamed Namekian". Much of the errors need to be fixed, dealing with false names and inaccurate associations. - PrinceZarbon 06:30, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

In my opinion, if a character is legitimately nameless then it should be sincerely considered that their article be deleted. It's okay to sometimes have articles go by "Unnamed whatever," but this shouldn't be regarded as a set in stone rule. Most characters who are nameless and appear in little more than the background are better off mentioned in more appropriate articles like the saga overviews or articles for characters they appear with. For example, if the members of Dodoria's Elite are truly nameless (they're certainly not playable in any video games and I don't own any Daizenshuu copies so I wouldn't know for certain), then their information would be better off merged with Dodoria's Elite. Storm talk – projects 06:54, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
If we follow your opinion (which I agree with), the wise decision would be to eliminate all unnamed characters. I was thinking of an alternative of merging them all into one page and calling them "unnamed etc." but after extensive thought, I concur with the logic of deleting them as well; it's most definitely better than fan-made speculation names that aren't real. In this case, I am bringing to your attention that all the characters I have specifically listed for you above are one of three things:
  • a) incorrectly named
  • b) highly inconsequential
  • c) both

I suggest we either move on to merging them all into one page and/or deleting them completely. The decision is yours, but it'd be nice if we were quick about it either way; To answer you on the issue of Dodoria's elite, let me confirm for you that they are never named and are highly inconsequential, all appearing in one scene, the same scene in which they are killed and are never named. All others I have listed above share that same attribution, they are all inconsequential or unnamed and/or both. I hope we're being productive here mate. I'd like to maintain a highly encyclopedic resource far from fancruft my dear comrade. - PrinceZarbon 05:35, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

There's two more inaccurate names I've located: Bund and Vug. I've merged them into the list as well. - PrinceZarbon 06:52, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
I have a feeling that Demetrious, Namole, Planthorr, Malaka and Toolo are incorrect names as well. Storm talk – projects 02:35, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
I double checked them all. Namole, Malaka, and Planthorr are real names and those are highly accurate. However, Demetrious and Toolo are actually named off-screen; they are both highly inconsequential and only appear in one scene; the scene they are killed in by Giant apes. - PrinceZarbon 06:34, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
Hmm, well I don't really oppose articles for characters who make limited appearances in the series; my main focus here is just to ensure that unnamed characters aren't being referred to on Dragon Ball Wiki by fan names. What is the source for Demetrious and Toolo's names, another Funimation credit roll? Storm talk – projects 07:06, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
It's not even a credit roll in the case of Demetrious and Toolo. They are referenced in the very beginning of the Bardock special in the background chit-chat; which consequently did not happen in the Japanese version. I'm not sure if either of them even said anything or were named "Demetrious" in the Japanese version. However, in the English redub, you can hear one of them call another "Demetrious" before he gets crushed by an ape. I think Toolo (or Tooro in the Japanese version is a real name but Demetrious only exists by name in the english redub). Here's your reference to the only second where the name "Demetrious" is blurted out: [you get confirmation of Malaka and Planthorr as important scientists in the very beginning, and they appear a lot throughout] ...at 1:21 seconds into the clip you will hear the name Demetrious.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1W1J4O8e1Ws

However, the character is offscreen the whole time and it's so inconsequential and minor that he should be merged/fused with the list as well. Let me know what you think. - PrinceZarbon 14:36, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

I think you're right. There's no way of verifying which Kanassan is Demetrious since the scene doesn't show neither who's speaking nor who's being spoken to. I don't think it would be necessary to add him to even the list of tertiary characters, since we can't verify who he is exactly. Storm talk – projects 18:10, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
Yes comrade, I would suggest the same thing. I will explore furthermore and if I find other inconsistencies and inaccuracies, I will be sure to bring them up. I have moved this conversation from the Slug's soldiers talk page as that page has been integrated into the list. - PrinceZarbon 19:55, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Bund and Vug

If "Bund" and "Vug" (Unnamed Blue Frieza Scout and Unnamed Purple Frieza Scout, respectively) appear in the video game Goku Gekitōden, what names are they given in battle? That could help trim two more characters off this list. Storm talk – projects 09:18, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

I am pretty sure that they are unnamed; in the instance where they appear in the RPG game, they have changing names (you know how their hair color and skin color is changed and they are random enemies)...sometimes it is Bun, Bund, Bugy, Slug, Yuz, Vug, Boon, etc. But none of those names are official (or we'd have three or four different names for each of them). All those names are actually just spawn titles for similar palette enemies. The only official names in the RPG game are the bosses as their names are kept intact both in-game and in the anime. The only way we can confirm any of the names is if they are aligned with those of the manga/anime. The best titles we can truly give them is Unnamed [color of skin] soldier...or like the "Frieza Soldier" in the budokai series. - PrinceZarbon 19:17, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
In the Tournament mode, all characters use the same name, including the enemies Banan, Sui, Raspberry, Appule and Nappule (name derived from Pineapple). They are all available in the beginning, along Cui, but only the main characters can be used by the player, having the same strength of Story mode. I didn't saw Nappule in the anime. He can be seen in the beginning of this video in YouTube, is he new to the game? --201.70.145.224 15:47, November 1, 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Unnamed orange soldier

I still maintain this guy's name "Orlen" is official. It's given in the closed captioning for the VHS tape Quest (Ocean Dub version). I didn't doctor this in any way. Honest-to-God digital photo taken of my TV screen with CC turned on. Anyone that owns this tape can go and look for themselves.

‎ - Kooshmeister
That is from the ocean dub I assume. It can be noted that his name is "Orlen" in the ocean dub, but he was unnamed in the funi dub. - PrinceZarbon talk contrib 15:37, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
Yes, it's from the Ocean version. But since Funimation was producing those episode, both Ocean and the closed captioning people had to have been working from material given to them by Funimation. I can't see either making the name up themselves. Anyway, I just wanted to show that the name had at least semi-official origins is all. - Kooshmeister
Which is great since we all need these extremely minor appearing characters to be named. Although they'll still be kept on the tertiary list as that's what they are, the specific notation that the ocean subtitles name this specific character is a nice tidbit. If you happen to find any other names in the subtitles you feel should be added, please feel free to bring them up and I will make the addition for you. If only the character's name is mentioned onscreen, it would provide for an actual name in the title. Thanks for the committed work. You know that Frieza's crew make up most of my favorite characters mate. :] - PrinceZarbon talk contrib 19:02, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
To be fair, don't Raspberry and Blueberry also go unnamed in Funimation's dub? Their names stem from the original Japanese version, I know, but I watched both English versions and neither is named onscreen (they are, however, identified by name in some trading cards I used to have, whereas poor Orlen is only named in the captions). And, don't sweat it. Frieza and his henchmen have always been my favorite villains, too, to the point where I pay almost an unnatural amount of attention to them. - Kooshmeister
Well mate, Frieza's henchmen are not only my favorite villains, but they're also my favorite characters overall. We want to ensure that everything is as encyclopedic as possible; I wish Orlen had a card or something of that nature to confirm his name as in all versions. But Blueberry and Raspberry's names are not only in the Japanese version, but also in the Ocean and Funi version. - PrinceZarbon talk contrib 19:37, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
Raspberry and Blueberry go unnamed in the dialogue of both the Ocean and Funi dubs. They might be named in the credits of the Funi version, but in neither version are they called by name in the actual episode(s). - Kooshmeister

[edit] Unnamed Amphibious Freeza Soldier's name is Frog-Face

Frog-Face Card

This Dragon Ball Z card reveals that his name is Frog-face. This is the only thing that exists that gives him a name so he should be officially known as Frog-face with his own article. - User:Slayer25769

I already know that in the card game he's referred to as "frog-face". He's still a tertiary character. (He isn't named in the anime or manga, however) Tertiary characters all belong on this page only, even if they're named in the one scene that they appear in, like this one. - PrinceZarbon talk contrib 05:11, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
Isn't Namole a tertiary character? He's in one scene and has no substantial role besides getting killed by Frieza. Yet he gets his own page just because he has a name when several of the characters listed here (like the Namek elder and the orange-haired doctor) have bigger roles than him. It's a little bit unfair actually. But I blame the writers for not ascribing names to the characters. - Kooshmeister
They're all tertiary characters. Some are currently listed with their own pages as they are named while others such as the namek elder are never named. However, others such as Scarface and Shorty in episode Pendulum Room are also tertiary characters although they are named. These are all ver minor characters who are limited to one scene each, so to speak. - PrinceZarbon talk contrib 23:18, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
I'd argue that Shorty and Scarface are limited to a single sequence rather than a single scene, and that despite this, they have an actual role in the story (namely by showing how powerful even lower class Saiyans are, and providing the heroes with a taste of what is to come). Which is more than Namole can say. He doesn't even move from the one spot he stands in the entire time. At least Shorty and Scarface fight. - Kooshmeister

Im kind of confused what this article is exactly. I don't really know what a Tertiary character is and shouldn't a character get its own article if it has at least one name to identify them by given from any piece of official media. - User:Slayer25769

No, absolutely not if they are random extras. It takes more than a few seconds of airtime to be a character. These are all random people in the background who are likely unnamed and all unnamed people belong here. Even if they receive a name in a dubbing error by a faulty error in translation or if they have names for the card games (that of which is the sole purpose of adding to the card game), they still don't need their own profiles. What would it say on the profile for "Frog-Face"? A soldier who hands a dragon ball to Dodoria... and then gets killed at random in the background when three unnamed Namekians show up. And that would be the entire bio. These, for all intent and purposes, belong here on this list. - PrinceZarbon talk contrib 03:26, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
So wouldn't characters like Bear Thief and Tiger Thief be here as well. - Slayer25769.
I'd have included them here myself, except those characters actually do portray some kind of progression in the series. Bear Thief is one of the first guys Goku faces if I'm not mistaken, and he's showcased separately rather than a horde of unnamed background people. However, for all intent and purposes, he does appear as an actual opponent in the DB games. It would be wise to fuse him to the tertiary list if more notability is not established, regardless, as the name "Bear Thief" doesn't qualify for much. The problem is that he actually has substantial amount of information to be kept separate, such as the likes of Scarface and Shorty. - PrinceZarbon talk contrib 20:13, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
Since there is an article like this for characters should there be one for unnamed vehicles and technology because I have seen alot of them that have no name. - Slayer25769
That's a very good idea. I assume you could compile a worthwhile list and entitle it "List of unnamed technology" which would include vehicles and contraptions in general. - PrinceZarbon talk contrib 18:26, September 1, 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Unnmaned Pilaf Robot Bird

Pilaf's Robot Bird Spy

This is a robot bird that informed Emperor Pilaf that Goku and the others were on their way to his castle. Whats your opinion on this. Should this go in this article or should this be in the unnamed Technology. This would probably count as a cyborg. - Slayer25769

This would be a perfect example for the technology list. - PrinceZarbon talk contrib 02:51, September 5, 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Characters to be added

This is a list of characters that qualify for a tertiary character that aren't added yet.

If you have time, feel free to go ahead and add them. -- .10X.Ka.me.ha.me.ha.....talk.....contrib. 02:11, January 12, 2010 (UTC)

Its funny how slayer made almost all of those. Namole, Tallman, and Tubs shouldn't be on the list.I don't really think Demetrious goes on this list either --Silver Sinspawn 04:08, January 18, 2010 (UTC)
I think that every character that isnt named, or is named something like "Insertnameheres parent". if a character has a name i dont think they go on the list --Silver Sinspawn 04:11, January 18, 2010 (UTC)

The key here is the amount of time they are on screen. If the character only appears in one episode, they most likely belong on the list (with obvious exceptions being characters who are exceptionally important, such as Frieza's third form). -- .10X.Ka.me.ha.me.ha.....talk.....contrib. 04:51, January 18, 2010 (UTC)

Exactly what 10X just said. We need to fuse all of the limited extras and also the people who are limited to one episode or a few instances, nevermind if they are named or not. 10X is right on the mark with this. - PrinceZarbon talk contrib 06:23, January 18, 2010 (UTC)
But, Then ALL filler characters (With some exceptions) belong here.this would just be a list of filler characters. --Silver Sinspawn 06:57, January 18, 2010 (UTC)

That's not true either. Tertiary characters have appeared in the manga as well, and some filler characters, Pikkon for example, are not tertiary. -- .10X.Ka.me.ha.me.ha.....talk.....contrib. 07:13, January 18, 2010 (UTC)

Very accurate 10X. Our criteria for fusing is actual appearance ratio as well as the role the character plays. The role of someone like Pikkon, though a filler character, is great, whereas the role of someone like Namole is not... whose role is limited to reporting onscreen for twenty seconds before being blasted away by Frieza. - PrinceZarbon talk contrib 07:19, January 18, 2010 (UTC)
Well then im leaving the wiki >.< --Silver Sinspawn 09:17, January 18, 2010 (UTC)

Lol, if you don't want to work on the tertiary characters project then we could use your help with any of the other projects. -- .10X.Ka.me.ha.me.ha.....talk.....contrib. 09:21, January 18, 2010 (UTC)

Its not that,its the fact that you guys have taken the fun out of the wiki for me. What i wanted to do was have a page for each named character,and have as much info as possible,whereas named characters, eg Demetrious, have their info constricted on this page. --Silver Sinspawn 09:25, January 18, 2010 (UTC)

I don't now what to tell you dude, it's just so much more efficient this way. If you can find more than a stub's worth of info for any of these characters then feel free to make them pages, but having dozens of stubs really isn't the way to go. -- .10X.Ka.me.ha.me.ha.....talk.....contrib. 09:36, January 18, 2010 (UTC)

Id prefer stubs to this.Many wiki's do the same.Well,Bye for now.Im gonna come back when i find something else of relevance to add here.Until then,ill be on other wikis. --Silver Sinspawn 10:19, January 18, 2010 (UTC)
Should the Arlian characters be added. - Slayer25769 20:58, January 20, 2010 (UTC)
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