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The plural of "kai" in Japanese is "ka" (in Roman characters, with the line over the "a" such as you would see over the "o" in shogun). However, this would be confusing, so I changed the plurals to simply "kai", rather than "kais", or even worse, as it was written before I changed it - "kai's". *shudder*

IIRC, "Kais" was used in the English anime, was it not? -- Nonoitall talk contr 10:53, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

That is stupid

If u look in GT he uses instant transimission LOL!
He uses the similar Instantaneous Movement technique. (Technically it's Kibito and Kibito Kai who use the technique though. IIRC, Supreme Kai never demonstrated the ability on his own.) -- Nonoitall talk contr 09:07, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Trivia error

Down in the trivia section, its stated that Kibito never died in DBZ. Didn't he get blown away by Dabura and have to get brought back? I didn't want to make an edit without mentioning it first. --Jivjov 00:15, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Yes indeed. At first when I read that over I couldn't quite remember what had happened and thought that Dabura had spit on him, but you're right. Thanks for catching that! -- Nonoitall talk contr 08:54, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Elder Kaio, Ancestor?

What does ancestor mean here? descendant or just previous person with this job? Because their not related--Rod|talk 00:42, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Rename to "Eastern Supreme Kai"

all the other supreme kai's pages use that format.

Rejected fusion

Didn't goku ask the supreme kai to fuse with him. well thats what my friend said anyway. P.s if it does happen does it happen in the orignal or just the dub. Oops forgot to sign Before you're bornDeath flashes before your eyes. 16:23, January 26, 2010 (UTC)

Whomever is naming all the Kais as "supreme kais" is wrong. There is only one "Supreme" kai. Supreme Kai's page suggests that he is the ruler of the eastern quadrant, that's completely. Supreme Kai is over all of the other Kais, including the Grand Kai. Are you forgetting that there is already an Eastern Kai?

To prove my fact, watch the episode where piccolo reveals Supreme Kai's identity to the others. It's revealed that he is above all the other kais and that King Kai hadn't even met the guy. So please stop providing bogus information about King Kais and Supreme Kais.

Is he the Grand Supreme Kai now?

I'm not sure what actually happened. Did he get promoted to Grand Supreme Kai afer all the other Supreme Kais died? It seems like he's responsible for the entire universe, not just 1/4 of it. And was Elder Kai just the East Supreme Kai or the Grand Supreme Kai? 16:27, September 24, 2010 (UTC)

Infobox Image

Okay, so I heard that head shots are not allowed for infobox images, so why does Supreme Kai have one? Would these be better to replace?

Kingcold6ColdSon&FatherRipto22475KingColdNVKingColdHoldingTrunksSword 00:34, September 8, 2011 (UTC)

Head shots are allowed.. Jeangabin666 07:30, September 8, 2011 (UTC)

The image I suggested for Broly's infobox page was not allowed, due to it being a head shot, so I'll have to talk to 10X about it. It's kind of unfair if Supreme Kai can have a headshot when Broly can't. NappaEyeLaser.Ep.026Super Saiyan GoateeTaoPaiPaiSend me a message!PIccolo12 07:47, September 8, 2011 (UTC)

Okay that sounds good Nappa'sGoatee. Lets see what 10X says. Thanks. Kingcold6ColdSon&FatherRipto22475KingColdNVKingColdHoldingTrunksSword 20:10, September 8, 2011 (UTC)

I didn't say they're not allowed, I only wanted to convey that full bod y images are generally preferred. It partially depends on the character, for instance whether their body type is of significance. -- SSJ4 Goku(5) 10X ..... talk ..... contrib. 01:58, September 9, 2011 (UTC)

I believe you said on the talk page and I quote, "Sorry, head shots are pretty much out of the question". Meaning that they were not allowed by the way it is written. Going by what you said, Supreme Kai's infobox

image should be changed. I am not saying do mine, but if you can find a better one, please do so.  But personally the first link is better for him, since is describes his character, elegance, and power. Kingcold6ColdSon&FatherRipto22475KingColdNVKingColdHoldingTrunksSword 02:46, September 9, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry to contradict you, but you can't just go around making assumptions like that. I meant exactly what I said, not what you think I meant. -- SSJ4 Goku(5) 10X ..... talk ..... contrib. 02:51, September 9, 2011


I am sorry, I was not meaning to make an assumption, I was just doing what I was told. Sorry I mis understood. But anyway, do you not think the links I have posted would be better since they have more body? 03:20, September 9, 2011 (UTC)Ripto22475

It's cool, it's just a pet peeve of mine, since I speak/type very deliberately. The first link is lower quality, so I'm not really a fan. The second is about as good as the current one in my opinion, the amount of body added is negligible to me. -- SSJ4 Goku(5) 10X ..... talk ..... contrib. 03:27, September 9, 2011 (UTC)

This is what I don't understand

I liked the Buu saga, but you know what bothered me? The fact that it would never had happened if stupid Supreme Kai never GAVE Gohans energy to Majiin Buu. He literally handed it to him on a silver platter, knowing Majiin Buu was the strongest. But he doesnt want Majiin Buu to be unleashed?!?! WHAT THE HECK! really annoys me.

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The first paragraph of this section is structured well, but in my opinion it starts to get a bit messy in the second. Supreme Kai saying that he and the others were "a thousand times stronger than Freeza" was a dub addition; in the Manga and Japanese version of the anime he just said that they could kill Freeza in a single blow.

Also, it's speculation to say that Supreme Kai was referring to Freeza's first form; there really isn't any solid evidence to back it up. In Dragon Ball, when a character is said to be stronger than someone else, it nearly always means that they are stronger than the full power that person can put out unless specified (especially previous villains; when Trunks said that the Androids were stronger than Freeza, he wasn't talking about Freeza at a suppressed version of his power, he literally meant that they made any version of his power look small). In this case, Freeza has been gone for years in the storyline and is being used as a measure of power. It really wouldn't make sense for the dialogue to be referring to his first form specifically since 1. Freeza's power has become long since irrelevant by the Buu saga, and 2. Why wasn't it specified that Supreme Kai meant Freeza's first form? The Daizenshuu said that Supreme Kai was far stronger than Piccolo in the Buu saga, so he must make Freeza look like an ant.

Cell's 900 million power level in Scouter Battle Taikan Kamehameha wasn't said to be official; in fact, a lot of video games seem to have conflicting power levels for characters. Supposing that 900 million is Cell's true power level though, there isn't necessarily a contradiction with Supreme Kai: He didn't claim to be 1000 times stronger than Freeza originally, so he could be say, 700 million and be able to annihilate Freeza in a single blow while still being weaker than Cell and Dabura.

Sorry for the block of text, I'd like to hear other peoples' opinions on what could be done with the section on Supreme Kai's power. MassiveDestruction49 (talk) 23:26, March 23, 2014 (UTC)


I think before he actually reveals himself as the Supreme Kai, we should call him Shin instead of Supreme Kai. After that we could continue using Supreme Kai. Meshack (talk) 03:39, February 14, 2016 (UTC)

Why? -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 04:46, February 14, 2016 (UTC)

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