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Dr. Slump

Can we get rid of dr. slump only characters because this is the dragon ball wiki? Meshack (talk) 20:44, January 21, 2016 (UTC)

Slump characters that are never seen or referred to shouldn't be on this wiki. Mark them for deletion if we have some of those. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 23:12, January 21, 2016 (UTC)
also, what about the dr. slump template? that's irrelevant to dragon ball as well Meshack (talk) 03:13, January 22, 2016 (UTC)
10x a race that appears in Dr. Slump has two members that appear in Dragon Ball when General Blue and Goku are at Penguin Village, and Meshack has tagged it for deletion so what should be down about that.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  08:01,1/22/2016 

The Slump template is a good question. You should make a topic about it on the manual of style talk page. Anything tagged for deletion will be reviewed by an admin. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 06:37, January 23, 2016 (UTC)

Two pages

Please look at Nightmarish Transformation and Devilish Transformation. Nikon and I seem to agree that Nightmarish needs to be either deleted or have a name change (i prefer deleted). On Devilish Transformation we agreed on naming it Monster Form Meshack (talk) 19:57, January 23, 2016 (UTC)

I don't have a strong opinion in your discussion, feel free to come to a consensus with those posting. I or another admin can enact anything that you all agree to but can't perform yourself. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 22:28, January 23, 2016 (UTC)

Chat Mod nomination

Hey 10X, I'd like to nominate Meshack for Chat Mod-ship(whatever), he's a good user, he's attentive, and he actively wants to make the chat a better place. Hey! Wait! I've got a new complaint. (talk) 23:36, January 24, 2016 (UTC)

Got it, thanks for the recommendation. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 01:04, January 26, 2016 (UTC)

Chat Needs Moderation

I can't stand the lawlessness of chat, this user has an avatar of boobs, which is disturbing! There was mild Swearing & mention of sexual organs, & I just can't take this anymore. If chat being full today becomes a normal thing this will be a problem. I'm in chat fairly often, and am possibly the most qualified user if promotion is necessary. Although if there are mods you can send here that would be great. WaterKirby1994 (talk) 04:29, January 25, 2016 (UTC)

yeah, mod is needed Meshack (talk) 12:45, January 25, 2016 (UTC)

Jesus, what the hell happened when I went to bed!? Hey! Wait! I've got a new complaint. (talk) 14:45, January 25, 2016 (UTC)

nothing happened really. It was a pg chat. No one needs to be banned Meshack (talk) 15:59, January 25, 2016 (UTC)
Sorry to hear there was some chaos, I'll stop by today. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 01:09, January 26, 2016 (UTC)


Hey dude, it's been a while! I had some questions to ask you (preferably through email), but I forgot your address. Can you remind me? Thanks.

-- Final ChidoriTalkContribs

I replied on your talk page. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 05:37, January 28, 2016 (UTC)
Thanks, I sent a reply yesterday if you haven't seen it yet. -- Final ChidoriTalkContribs
 17:41, January 31, 2016 (UTC)

Opinion on talk

Hey. Whenever you get a chance could you check out the talk page on Galactic Frieza Army? Thanks :p --Ripto (Talk) 03:48, January 28, 2016 (UTC)

Sure thing. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 05:38, January 28, 2016 (UTC)

Edit warring

since when was the Kid Buu Saga in Dragon Ball Z retitled the Peaceful World Saga? this only occured in Dragon Ball Z Kai. this saga is simply apart of the kid buu saga in Dragon Ball Z. that's adding false infromation Nikon23 01:10, January 29, 2016 (UTC)

It was never renamed. This is after the fight with Buu Meshack (talk) 01:11, January 29, 2016 (UTC)
if it was never renamed, then stop adding false info like it was renamed! you just basically admitted it was never renamed Nikon23 01:15, January 29, 2016 (UTC)

The user Nikon23 is refusing to stop vandalizing a page. Peaceful World Saga Meshack (talk) 01:09, January 29, 2016 (UTC)

the user Meshack is refusing to stop adding false infomation. this saga is not apart of Dragon Ball Z and it only mentioned in Dragon ball Z Kai. if this is a actual saga in Dragon ball Z, then show me the source. and how is it vandalization when i'm clearly pointing out that this saga doesn't exist in dbz and your'e adding false infro like this was the name of the saga in Dragon Ball Z Nikon23 01:13, January 29, 2016 (UTC) where's the name changed located for Dragon Ball Z? Nikon23 01:24, January 29, 2016 (UTC)
The "new" saga is taken from 1 game, and only includes one episode. It does not include the Kid Buu Saga. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 16:49, January 30, 2016 (UTC)

another insult

more name calling from Meshack on user:Goku20's page against me. this is now the second time this has occur

below is what he said about me on Goku20's page

"That nikon guy is ignorant and acts like a child you can't put sense into a fool Meshack (talk) 03:11, January 29, 2016 (UTC)" —This unsigned comment was made by Nikon23 (talkcontribs) on 09:25, January 29, 2016‎ Please sign your posts with ~~~~ next time!.

Thank you for letting me know. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 16:51, January 30, 2016 (UTC)

Film characters

What is the category used? I know it's for characters who are only in the films but some have appeared in some manga Meshack (talk) 21:22, January 29, 2016 (UTC)

From the category page, "This is a list of characters who only appeared in any of the films." If there are entries that don't belong, they can be removed. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 16:57, January 30, 2016 (UTC)

Edit War

User:JanikOokami is edit warring on Dragon Ball Z: Resurrection ‘F’ I have told him to use the article talk page I am not the only one that has undone his edit.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  01:02,1/30/2016 

You are getting much better at resolving edit wars : ) You've done everything right so far in this case, so the next step is starting the discussion yourself, and then leaving a message on the user's talk page if he ignores it. Only after these steps should an admin be forced to intervene. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 16:59, January 30, 2016 (UTC)
Ok.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  19:24,1/30/2016 

Fake Pages

Chikuajisai is making fake pages unrelated to the wiki. If you would adress this, it would be great. Thanks!

Creeperman129 (talk) 03:35, January 31, 2016 (UTC)Creeperman129

this user named Chikuajisai keeps creating fake pages and one of them had profanity in it Nikon23 07:42, January 31, 2016 (UTC)

I placed the deletion template on on his pages and left a message, so hopefully he'll stop now. Seems like it was a simple mistake on his part.  Final ChidoriTalkContribs
 17:50, January 31, 2016 (UTC)

it wasn't a simple mistake he or she was constantly making fake pages --Nikon23 04:32, February 1, 2016 (UTC)

Yes, but he probably thought this was a fanon wiki or something. Most of the pages were just pictures, so he probably didn't understand how to upload a picture correctly. Anyways, I think he stopped now so it doesn't matter. -- Final ChidoriTalkContribs 22:33, February 1, 2016 (UTC)
Neffyarious took care of it. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 01:24, February 2, 2016 (UTC)


On the GT section of List of inconsistencies you undid a revision of mine and said "We have never listed animation errors here. This article is for plot inconsistencies". But the other sections do have animation errors noted as inconsistencies, like in the DBZ section noting Krillin's outfit changing at one point on Namek when it should not have.--Neffyarious (talk) 05:43, February 2, 2016 (UTC)

Yah that's true. I undo edits to that page whenever people add animation errors, which is a lot, but we do have some on there now. We should certainly remove them from where they are now, but after that we have some options. We can either not list the animation errors on the site at all, or we can make a separate article that we link at the top of the inconsistencies page. I like the latter option, as I'm generally in favor of us keeping good info rather than losing it. As is, many episode pages list animation errors for that episode. They really aught to be separate either way, since some fans like to decide what is canon based on inconsistencies, and one minimum wage artist coloring a panel of Vegeta's armor incorrectly is hardly a true plot inconsistency. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 01:56, February 5, 2016 (UTC)

Edit War

I have done everything you said and Bargeta is still edit warring on Bulma's page he has ignored everything.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  09:07,2/7/2016 

Thanks, I'll take a look. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 03:50, February 8, 2016 (UTC)

Spam Pages

Hey, 10X. In case you haven't seen them, a user is making quite a few spam pages. I'm pretty sure he's trolling, but at this point, who knows? I've left a message on his talk page, but I have a feeling this problem is gonna need the special admin touch to fix. -- Final ChidoriTalkContribs 14:25, February 12, 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, looks like all he ever did was vandalize the site. I blocked him. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 04:12, February 14, 2016 (UTC)


I get back and my information for Battle of Gods and Resurrection F is expunged. I know the MoS states that add the information together but this is different. The movies and Dragon Ball Super are drastically different from each other. They get around the story but the events transpire differently. For example, in the Battle of Gods arc, Beerus is awake days before Bulma's birthday but in the movie, Beerus wakes up on Bulma's birthday. Bulma's bingo party does not happen in the anime but only in the movie. Mai and Trunks's relationship is non-existent in Super, the reference to Tarble, the mention of the original Super Saiyan God. OM... The fight between Goku and Beerus is sooooo different on both Earth and Kaio's planet. 1. Goku does not fight Beerus in SS1 or SS2 in the movie, the fight is much shorter, showing the actual true power of Beerus, Gregory is not there, Kaio is not worried about some damn house. On Earth, Goku and Beerus fight in different locations, Goku actually goes to his base after the God power runs out, Goku and Beerus fight in space for awhile in the movie, Beerus actually mentions Whis being stronger than him and there're more universes. In the Resurrection F arc, Tagoma is alive during the invasion on Earth. In Resurrection F, Tagoma died four months before and was not Frieza's training partner. Why would you add something that doesn't correlate with each other and can't be in the same story line. Tagoma switches bodies with Ginyu and Tagoma is now a frog and Ginyu dies. I'm pretty sure Ginyu is still alive (not referring to Super but the manga). All of that never happened in the movie. The fight between Goku and Freeza is drastically different too. In the movie, Goku was beating Freeza and he could not do anything until he transformed. The fight is even shorter in the anime.

I also don't think you grasp that it's not Dragon Ball Super. If Toei wanted to, they would not have made the movies and would have just made Super. Toriyama made the actual script for the movies but Toei is dealing with Dragon Ball Super. Adding references to Battle of Gods and Resurrection F is not smart and could lead to confusion. I'm pretty sure no one looks at the references but only the people who actually care but not a lot of people care. I wouldn't look at the references if I was not doing this. It's not that big of a deal to just have a Battle of Gods and Resurrection F section. The information was already done and I wrote so much for those sections and you just go and erase them. Okay, something like: In the manga of Dragon Ball Super, Tights is at Omori's island when Bulma calls but in the anime, Tights is at a beach. In the Namek arc in the manga, Frieza kills Cargo but in the anime, Dodoria does. If it was something like that, I would have been okay with it but it's not. Meshack (talk) 02:18, February 14, 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for the note. There are a few differences between the movies and the anime, and the movies and the manga, and of course the anime and manga (you don't seem to care about that last one for some reason). However, as with near every other topic on the site that had both a manga and an anime version, they should be combined per the Manual of Style. Having 3 sections for every event in all of DB, DBZ, GT, and Super that had some differences between manga, anime, movie, OVA, video game versions etc. would simply not make sense. It is quicker to write the events once (and let's bare in mind that 95% of what happens is identical in all 3 versions of Super), and point out the parts that differ between releases, than to make 3 copies of redundant information. It makes for a shorter article that is faster to read and contains all of the same info. Suggesting we make the articles LONGER with the SAME info like you have continuously proposed for weeks have no benefit to anyone.
Suggesting that the only reason the anime and manga were produced was because Toei had a creative desire to tell a new story is not realistic. There are endless motives for retelling an existing story, not the least of which is to make money by producing new media with the cost savings of not paying Toriyama to write new material for the first long stretch of the anime and manga. Adding reference tags is not confusing. Frankly, if your argument is that readers don't care about the source of the material, than your conclusion of shoving it down their throats by making a separate section for each source is backward. Writing in text statements like "In the manga of Dragon Ball Super, Tights is at Omori's island when Bulma calls but in the anime, Tights is at a beach" takes up too much space, and conflicts with the Manual of Style. We use the highest canon source, than make a side statement about the alternative: "When Bulam calls, Tights is at a beach (Omori's island in the manga)". Both options are infinitely better than writing two separate sections. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 04:33, February 14, 2016 (UTC)
The information was already there and it gets deleted while I was gone. Okay, I going to mention another wiki and that's the Tokyo Ghoul wiki. I know this is not the Tokyo Ghoul wiki but it is similar to this. The Tokyo Ghoul manga is like the source material in this case. There's an anime for the Tokyo Ghoul manga and it's called, Tokyo Ghoul Root A. The anime has elements from the manga but it's different from the manga. Instead of combining the information, like you're suggesting, they have a section for Root A and they have the manga information. Why can't we do it like that. Battle of Gods and Resurrection F are different from Super but they have most of the same elements Meshack (talk) 04:51, February 14, 2016 (UTC)
We can't do it like that because it is a bulkier way of giving the same info. We list info from multiple sources in one place the same way that Naruto or Bleach wiki do. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 04:58, February 14, 2016 (UTC)
Even though I do not like this idea, how you you let the reader know what is from Battle of Gods, Super, etc. without using references. If you use references to distinguish what's from the movies and what's for Super, that's too many unnecessary references. Every other thing is different between the movies and anime. It's just too much to put in one heading. Plus, it's under the heading Dragon Ball Super and that's a problem . Can we have a community discussion about this and not you just follow the MoS? There're a lot o things that go against the MoS Meshack (talk) 16:28, February 14, 2016 (UTC)
References take up almost no space, and are extremely easy to read. Every wiki I have seen, as well as Wikipedia, use them. Copying 3 versions of the entire website instead of using references is a terrible idea with no advantage. I'm waiting for you to come up with a good reason for you wanting this so badly, and saying we should stop using references is the weakest reason yet. If anything on the site doesn't follow the Manual of Style, then it should be fixed. You can't point to examples of someone making a bad edit and use it as an excuse to make other other, unrelated bad edit. I am totally lost by your question about a community discussion, as you started the community discussion on the MoS talk page in November and it has been ongoing as recently as 5 days ago. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 00:43, February 16, 2016 (UTC)
I wouldn't have known about the discussion because I was banned... lol. I can't explain why i want this so badly in the most effective way. I really can't say anything else but the movies are not Super. Toriyama did the movies and Toei is basing Super off of the movies. I said before that they have the same story, Beerus shows up fights Goku an Goku achieves Super Saiyan God. Freeza is revived, trains, becomes Golden Freeza, and Goku kills Freeza. They may be true but the things that lead to those points are not the same. Meshack (talk) 01:08, February 16, 2016 (UTC)
If you can't explain why you want a change that there are many good reasons not to do, I can't help. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 00:39, February 18, 2016 (UTC)
obviously i did explain Meshack (talk) 00:43, February 18, 2016 (UTC)


Majin is not a race but it's classified on here as a race but it is not. If this was a race, that would make Vegeta a Majin but he's a Saiyan, not a Majin. A Majin is a being under the magic of Babidi or Bibidi. Therefore, this is not a race Meshack (talk) 02:32, February 14, 2016 (UTC)

Dragon Ball Xenoverse, and Dragon Ball Online, both consider Majin, a race. Future Warrior has at the race selection has Majin, Frieza's Race, Saiyan, Namekian and Human.--User:Staff Sergeant Jack Jackson User talk:Staff Sergeant Jack Jackson 02:49, February 14, 2016 (UTC)
They only use Majin because there is no set name for Buu. Meshack (talk) 03:03, February 14, 2016 (UTC)
Staff Sergeant Jack Jackson makes a good point. Meshack, I don't understand the last thing you said. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 04:35, February 14, 2016 (UTC)
I guess if you're going by video games, yes, but Majin is not a race. I was saying that video games classify Majin as a race because Buu's race doesn't have a set name. Buu is just evil turned into a pink monster by Bibidi Meshack (talk) 04:37, February 14, 2016 (UTC)
Buu goes on to make more of himself in the video games, naming the new race "Majins". Buu picked the same name as Babidi's mind control technique. We don't have the authority to go and rename a race just because it's inconvenient to have two things that share a name. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 05:00, February 14, 2016 (UTC)
Kid Buu's "M" remained even after Babidi's death, and according to Budokai 2, Babidi's "M" and control is lost when he was killed by Buu, yet his "M" remained. Like went 10X said, Buu simply named his after Babidi's taken, and according to Saikyo Jump, Bibidi never created Buu; he only summoned him. See: Kid Buu Ref 7 if you need reassurance. Video Game wise Majin is the official name of Buu's race, but Anime/Manga wise that's not really touched base. When Demigra says "A Majin defying a Demon God" or something like, his tone of voice when saying Majin is similar to when someone says an Adjective rather than a Noun.--User:Staff Sergeant Jack Jackson User talk:Staff Sergeant Jack Jackson 05:13, February 14, 2016 (UTC)

Time Reversal

There're guys here who think that recording a death even though time was reversed before they died should be recorded. It should not because they didn't die. It's not like it when a planet dies and they get revived. It's not like that at all. They actually know they died, not when time gets reverse before they died. Meshack (talk) 02:34, February 14, 2016 (UTC)

Time was reversed afterwards.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  03:34,2/14/2016 
Huh? The ones that were on Earth died. Whis reversed it before Freeza blew up Earth. I don't think we need to record it Meshack (talk) 03:42, February 14, 2016 (UTC)
Time was reversed after the Earth blow up which means they all died besides the ones that where by Whis and Beerus. So Pan, Hercule, and the rest died the only that shouldn't have death recorded for them is Fat Buu.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  03:48,2/14/2016 
Why do people keep bringing up the name Hercule? I don't know who that is. If Vegeta died, Mr. Satan died, Pan, etc. etc. Buu died too but time was reversed before they died. So them dying didn't happen Meshack (talk) 03:50, February 14, 2016 (UTC)
Hercule is Mr. Satan, it's just a name used in some dubs. Anyway, this is a good discussion to have, so let's continue it on the Pan talk page where others can add input. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 04:39, February 14, 2016 (UTC)
I know, it's a joke. I don't like the name Hercule. It's for butt hurt people. 04:54, February 14, 2016 (UTC)
I don't know what you're talking about, and you're about an inch away from having just insulted Goku20. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 05:02, February 14, 2016 (UTC)
No, I'm not saying he's butt hurt. I'm just saying FUNimation shouldn't have changed the name but it was targeted for kids so... Meshack (talk) 05:04, February 14, 2016 (UTC)
Is that a typo "I'm saying he's butt hurt" or are you just daring me to block you? -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 05:07, February 14, 2016 (UTC)
LOL. I forgot the not. I've been banned three times Meshack (talk) 05:09, February 14, 2016 (UTC)
Got it. Yup, I'm disappointed too when the English versions don't stay true to the original releases. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 05:15, February 14, 2016 (UTC)

Meshack Edit Warring Again

We've discussed on Pan's talk page (here: Temporal Do-Over, and recording undone deaths) that the deaths caused by Frieza's still canonically happened, and 5 people have stated that it should stay, and only 2 people oppose. So I say majority wins. Meshack is ignoring this, and edit warring... again. What's your take on it-- User:Staff Sergeant Jack Jackson User talk:Staff Sergeant Jack Jackson 02:38, February 14, 2016 (UTC)

I'm discussing it. You wanted a discussion so I am... Meshack (talk) 03:02, February 14, 2016 (UTC)
Let's all stop editing Pan's infobox while we discuss. The edit has been done and undone by many editors. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 04:41, February 14, 2016 (UTC)


Why add Battle of Gods and Resurrection F to the Dragon Ball Super disambiguation page? Do you realize it doesn't say Dragon Ball Super? It may be source material but it's not Dragon Ball Super... Meshack (talk) 03:12, February 14, 2016 (UTC)

Oh it's Dragon Ball Super source material but not Dragon Ball Super material? We've had this conversation so many times, in fact you already brought this up earlier on this very page and then left this message before I had a chance to respond to the last one. It's Super, they're all Super. Same events. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 04:43, February 14, 2016 (UTC)

Shin, Kakarrot

I think before Supreme Kai actually reveals himself as the Supreme Kai, we should call him Shin instead of Supreme Kai. After that we could continue using Supreme Kai. Same for Goku Meshack (talk) 03:58, February 14, 2016 (UTC)

Why would we call him Shin when we know his name is Supreme Kai? And why would we call Goku Shin? I assume you want to call Goku Shin since you said we should do the same for him. Maybe you meant Kakarot or something. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 04:45, February 14, 2016 (UTC)

I assume he meant to change Goku to Kakarot, and that'll never happen it'll confuse a lot people, and his birth name is not used in majority. The name used the most the series between characters will be used. Goku has been called Goku more times than he has been called Kakarot, same with East Supreme Kai, he's been called that more than Shin.--User:Staff Sergeant Jack Jackson User talk:Staff Sergeant Jack Jackson 04:51, February 14, 2016 (UTC)

Never mind, you guys don't get it. It was just a cool idea I thought of Meshack (talk) 04:59, February 14, 2016 (UTC)


I was called an "condisending ass" by Saiyan God Elite. Insults are against the rules here so he should be warned... or banned which ever one. Meshack (talk) 19:36, February 14, 2016 (UTC)

I agree that he was in the wrong when he called you that (certainly deserves a warning or ban if this is a repeated offense sort of thing), but I personally think you guys should solve your own problems maturely before resorting to an admin. Doing this will just cause grudges imo. -- Final ChidoriTalkContribs 20:11, February 14, 2016 (UTC)
I've been banned for insults so everyone else deserves the same treatment. Banning for insults is not exclusive to me. I almost got banned yesterday night for a typo Meshack (talk) 22:27, February 14, 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for the report. Would you please provide a link to the incident? -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 00:46, February 16, 2016 (UTC)
link Meshack (talk) 00:59, February 16, 2016 (UTC)
Got it. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 00:47, February 18, 2016 (UTC)

Help, Staff are trolling me

Help. I submitted a joke rename request to Staff and they granted it just to troll me. I know, I know, I set a trap and promptly fell in, but there is seriously no way I could have known they would be that clever. I was expecting a letter or something that said "no" in five paragraphs. So could my username/talk page be renamed so I don't appear to be impersonating another user here? Staff certainly aren't going to show mercy, so this is the best fix I can think of. What do you think? Sand bearprayview creations 01:07, February 15, 2016 (UTC)

As a note, when you send in a request for an account rename, there is a box that says "I have read the help page on renaming my account" and you have to check it, in order to have your account renamed. So by checking that, you agreed that you read the help page on the precautions of the request you sent in. You can try asking Staff to reverse it (and explain that your rename is an impersonation of someone else) but more than likely they won't grant it. Though I would at least try... all I know is, it's going to be hard to tell who is who on wiki activity. --Ripto (Talk) 01:30, February 15, 2016 (UTC)
I don't think staff granted it to specifically troll you, they get a lot of requests and approve the ones that aren't offensive without second thought. I've always thought the staff's name change limit was a bit stupid. Hopefully they'll understand if you explain the situation to them. Have you tried the community wiki yet? -- Final ChidoriTalkContribs 03:24, February 15, 2016 (UTC)
Community won't be able to assist much as it's a Staff area. So using Special:Contact/general will be the way to go from here. More than likely Staff will say he's out of luck since he agreed to the terms in the request, but there might be a slight chance (no promises) if he explains how he's impersonating someone. --Ripto (Talk) 03:47, February 15, 2016 (UTC)

Ohohohohohoho, they got me by the balls now; they're not going to give in so easily (not literally, mind you; that would be gay). Also, speaking of contacting them: that might work, but there's another problem there. When I created this account I used a 10 minute email because, holy crap, I don't know these people, so I didn't use a legit email. And if I contact them, they'll want to reply in an email. So without an email, contact won't work. This is quite an elaborate trap they got me in to. And they know it. Sand bearprayview creations 04:02, February 15, 2016 (UTC)

Well you can change your email address in Special:Preferences. So if you have any email address you have access to, that will work. Only way to contact them is by email. If you're wanting any chance of a possible name revert, you'll need to speak with Staff. --Ripto (Talk) 04:08, February 15, 2016 (UTC)
Yes, changing your email should work. I have a feeling they'll understand your problem. Good luck. If that fails, you could always make a whole new account like I did. -- Final ChidoriTalkContribs 04:56, February 15, 2016 (UTC)
Yep, email staff, most of them are cool. It's highly unlikely that they noticed or cared that your name was similar to another users. Also, did you try just requesting another rename back to your original name? -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 00:52, February 16, 2016 (UTC)

"It's highly unlikely that they ... cared that your name was similar to another users[sic][sic][sic]"
— So it's ok if I keep it??? :D

But nah man, the rename request just gives you a message saying "You have previously been renamed so you are not eligible for another one." Ah well, I don't want too much trouble, so I contacted them with a long message that hopefully explained everything and asked for another user name. So as to not appear like I'm trying to sneak out of this situation without fixing it, I'll respond with their decision when it comes. If they say no I could forward the email or something if you want when it comes as proof. Thanks everyone- Sand bearprayview creations 16:25, February 16, 2016 (UTC)

Ah yes! No need for anything now; Staff fixed it. The Staffstaff said "Couple things: one, I've made this change for you, even though we generally don't do second renames. But two and more importantly, please do not goof around with the rename tool." Not bad, I suppose. Thanks for understanding guys. Sand bearprayview creations

23:45, February 16, 2016 (UTC)

XDDDD Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 23:52, February 16, 2016 (UTC)

Very interesting. You lucked out then. Be sure and take their advice well as they did do you a huge favor :) --Ripto (Talk) 00:58, February 17, 2016 (UTC)
Hahaha, oh man you're awful. Sandubadear do you have any problems with this? -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 00:49, February 18, 2016 (UTC)

Blogging about channel

is it okay if i make a blog about my youtube channel it has dbz content oh and btw i am king of video games 9 second account/ final hazeshot —This unsigned comment was made by Final HazeShot YT (talkcontribs) Please sign your posts with ~~~~ next time!.

Yes, it's fine. Go on ahead. — A (tc) 20:18, February 16, 2016 (UTC)
Agreed. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 00:49, February 18, 2016 (UTC)

Video games where... is playable categories

You said before we were going to delete these but it'll take a lot of work. what did you mean> could you do it now? Meshack (talk) 00:44, February 18, 2016 (UTC)

I probably won't delete something if it's not bothering anyone. If they get tagged and no one objects I'll delete them. -- SSJ4 Goku(2)
I'm mean, they're just unnecessary categories someone created. I'll wait Meshack (talk) 01:03, February 18, 2016 (UTC)
I don't believe they are unnecessary because it would take to much time to go through and figure out what other games a certain character is playable in without the category for the video games that the character is playable in, but with it is easy.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  16:57,2/18/2016 
that's why the character page has the games characters are in Meshack (talk) 20:35, February 18, 2016 (UTC)
I think the playable catergories should stay. Nikon23 21:44, February 20, 2016 (UTC)
why? no one is going to check categories to find the games characters are in. we have the "video game appearances" section to list the games the characters are in which is easier than looking for categories Meshack (talk) 04:51, February 24, 2016 (UTC)


This user made a page that's pretty obvious trolling. It's a little odd seeing that he's been around for over a year and showed no previous signs of vandalism, but just thought I should point that out. I've marked his page with a deletion template as well, so if you could kindly delete the article, that would be kewl. Thanks. 

-- Final ChidoriTalkContribs 00:42, February 21, 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll take a look. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 02:02, February 21, 2016 (UTC)


Hi Mr. 10x,
If it's okay with you, can you delete this picture ( since user: Meshack added the same one but without the watermark. This way we can avoid having multiple pics/unnecessary duplicates in the wiki. Thank you. :) The Rush (talk) 06:20, February 21, 2016 (UTC)

Done. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 00:12, February 24, 2016 (UTC)

Thank you, Mr. 10x. I was wondering if we could start a discussion about uploading higher quality pics. As we know, every picture has a "page" which shows info about the pic like the pages that are using the pic. But it also gives you: "File History", which you can upload the same pic but a higher quality. I think some users should really consider using this as a way to improve the pics we already have in the wiki, but also to avoid edit wars and duplicates. The Rush (talk) 18:07, February 25, 2016 (UTC)

Sure, go ahead. As video technology improves, it's nice to replace older images on the site. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 01:57, February 26, 2016 (UTC)

I have a question, according to Mr. Meshack DXRD images aren't allowed in the wiki. I also checked Rules and Manual and I couldn't find anything on this, but if this true should the images be deleted and should we tell User:Deex1 (who uploaded them) about this. The Rush (talk) 20:46, February 27, 2016 (UTC)

Those images are not banned from the Wiki. There is a user named DXRD that was infinitely blocked by a different admin. He has since been making new accounts and continuing to edit, instead of serving out his block. When a new user joins are uploads a bunch of images name "DXRD..." it is obvious that this is a sock puppet account made by the blocked user DXRD. No one else would name new images after that one blocked user except himself. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 19:01, February 28, 2016 (UTC)

Oh! I didn't know that. Thanks for the info Mr. 10x. I'll try to keep an eye for the user just incase.
Quick question: Just between us. Does Meshack always has to have the last word/edit?
On multiple occasions, I have uploaded pics to the wiki and Meshack has removed them from the galleries or pages without giving a reason. On other occasions (most notably the Frost page), he had removed my pic completely from the page and/or uploaded his own version of the pic. So to avoid a fight or an edit war, I sometimes have to "update" some of my pics to a different scene in the episode. This way we don't have duplicates as well. But yeah, while I believe Meshack is a great editor, he's kind of unfair. User:The_Rush (talk) 6:49, March 1, 2016 (UTC).

on episode pages, there should not be a lot of images because that's spoiling the episode. Meshack (talk) 21:25, March 1, 2016 (UTC)
The Rush., if you believe your image is better and both can't be on the article for some reason, then you should talk about the conflict on that article's talk page. Meshack's edits don't automatically trump yours; the better image should be used. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 05:43, March 3, 2016 (UTC)

Thanks Mr. 10x for all your help.
I was wondering if you could do me another favor. It seems that User:Anthony1550 wants me to join his wiki, but instead of just asking me he keep posting a lot of these pictures (in my talk page) without noticing that we already have them in the wiki. So I was wondering if you could delete these duplicates?
I took the liberty of checking episodes, galleries and characters' profile to verify that we didn't have them. I also "updated" a few of them and made them slightly different. The list below is the one that we already have.

Also this pic has a redirect to another image so I was wondering if I could remove the redirect from the image while also uploading a higher quality pic of Vegeta.

Thanks for all your help and sorry for the trouble. User:The_Rush (talk) 02:30, March 9, 2016 (UTC).

Sorry about this, but can we also get rid of these two photos:
The reason: User:Jeff14 uploaded a higher quality one. By now you must be tired of me and I'm sorry for all the trouble. Thank you a million times for all your help. User:The_Rush (talk) 05:15, March 9, 2016 (UTC).

Hi Mr. 10x

I was wondering if you could give us your opinion on this discussion:

Meshack and I have different opinions on how the Galleries should look.

Mr. Meshack subjects combining the anime section with the films but for me, I think the films should have their own sections/galleries, while the "anime" section should follow the "main timeline" (DB, DBZ, DBS & DBGT). This way it looks more organized and less crammed together; is easy to add pics to their respective sections and we avoid the timeline problem. Also this way it will follow how a character's page looks like. Example: Biography = DB, DBZ, DBS & DBGT and then film appearance. The Rush (talk) 01:23, February 23, 2016 (UTC)

Sure, I'll check it out. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 00:22, February 24, 2016 (UTC)

Unaired Template

Quick question, do we have a template to place on pages included unaired content? For example, this page. -- Final ChidoriTalkContribs 01:02, February 28, 2016 (UTC)

No we do not. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 19:01, February 28, 2016 (UTC)
Would you say we're in need of one? It's been a while since I coded anything here, but this was pretty minor so I gave it a quick shot. I don't know how it would fit on a page, but it can easily be shortened or widened. Any critiques? Background, text, quote, etc.? Do we even need it? lol. -- Final ChidoriTalkContribs 19:49, February 28, 2016 (UTC)

Seems potentially useful. You might want to include a note about when to use it on the template page in a "noinclude" section. Specifically, the template should go on unaired episodes or characters that have only been in promo material so far. Characters like Goku and Frost would not get the template, even though they will appear in future unaired material. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 05:47, March 3, 2016 (UTC)

Alright, nice. I've added the noinclude usage section and placed the template on a few pages. -- Final ChidoriTalkContribs 22:57, March 3, 2016 (UTC)

Another user not following site policy

User:Fangusu is not following site policy I have done everything I was supposed to.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  08:38,2/29/2016 

I didn't create the article talk page discussions for the King Vegeta and Cooler edit problem but the first message was before those and the Saiyan aging thing started. Also these edit wars are not the user's first if you look at her contribs you will see she edit warred before to.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  10:27,2/29/2016 

I agree with you and don't want to go against you here, but maybe telling her to "stop freaking edit warring" and "leave" isn't the best way to go about solving problems like this. I think a simple message on their talk would suffice (and you did that, so kudos to you for that). We don't want to scare off any potential editors, especially not during a time like this. -- Final ChidoriTalkContribs 21:52, February 29, 2016 (UTC)

Actually what I freaking said was to stop freaking edit warring and follow sit policy and if she can't and won't then leave, because she has edited warred 4 times with me and possible a 5th back last month so therefore it has become clear to me that she has no desire to follow site policy even after I left her quite a few messages on her talk page about it.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  22:22,2/29/2016 

Chill out and keep a level head, man. Yes, it's annoying when people edit war for no reason and I understand that, but being calm and professional is much more important than a petty edit war which will be resolved anyway. -- Final ChidoriTalkContribs 23:19, February 29, 2016 (UTC)
Why didn't you use the article talk page? -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 05:50, March 3, 2016 (UTC)
I did on the first one and I thought I had got her to follow site policy so I figured after I undone the other edits once she would have made the article talk page discussion section but I was wrong and if you look at when the first edit war between me and her started and when the discussion was started on the talk page and how long it took her before she finally replied to that one you will see that if I didn't keep pushing the use of the article talk page she wouldn't have used it then either she doesn't care about following site policy as I know first hand.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  09:56,3/3/2016 

Cooler/Terrifying Super Transformation

I'll give you that Frost's lack of a form is not confirmed unless stated or shown, but this is why I have used phrases like 'it is not known' from a purely possibility standpoint, and why I specifically placed it in the Trivia section, where most speculative comments, that are most likely the case, go on most Wiki's that have some evidence to back it up. Evidence which I provided and explained.

As such, the only valid thing you said that I did not entirely explain that was why it is likely Frost does not have a second form. Fair, but I'll explain it to you here. Frost did not want to show his forms. He didn't want to as a fighter specifically because he wanted to keep his trump cards hidden. It would be downright absurd to believe that Frost did not want to show his forms and in light of that, skipped a form to show the stronger one, essentially losing the surprise of more forms.

Whatever Frost's motivation may be, no matter the case - if he's somehow only pretending to be good, if there's some twist on the character we don't know yet, the fact of the matter is that there would be no reason to lie about not wanting to show his forms. Lying about the reason he didn't want to show the forms? Yeah, maybe, but that would not change the fact that he has every reason to not want to give away all he has. As such, if he indeed had a '2nd Form' before 'Assault Form', there would be no reason for him to skip it. Furthermore the entire explanation so far was that he has a regular form and a form he uses to power up to fight evildoers. Could things be hidden or kept from us? Of course. However, every bit of the aesthetic theme and reasons given points to no such form existing, no matter the twist we are given with Frost's character if any are to come. Nothing about any twist that could be given to him would explain why (if he had a 2nd form) he would choose to, rather than go into a 2nd form hiding his 3rd, skip the weaker form to reveal the stronger form. For what purpose? So later he can reveal he had a weaker form?

Now, the above point's validity in the trivia section is debatable. I would be happy to discuss with you the merit of such unconfirmed, but most likely case, scenario and the merit of it's place in a Trivia section (where most evidence backed speculative points based on our knowledge so far go on most various wikis), and if you provide a thought out retort then perhaps you can prove my above points incorrect or not yet valid. On the note of Cooler, however, you are objectively incorrect.

I am not 'Confusing canon with inconsistencies'. Cooler is not and never has been canon. For something to be an inconsistency in the canon, something in the canon must be contradicted by the canon OR something non canon must be contradicted by the non canon. Something in the non canon contradicting something in the canon, does not cause an inconsistency with the canon, it merely sets the separation of canon and non canon as differing medias that do not apply to, or interact with, each other. The Cooler movie's facts do not apply to the canon's facts and vice versa. As such, my point that Toriyama has made Cooler impossible to the canon is objective fact. It specifically is worth mentioning as Cooler being the only character that Toriyama has outright made impossible when discussing exactly that subject makes such an occurence rare and as such, a big enough deal to be a trivia point. Toriyama didn't say anything off hand, he was specifically asked about the existance of a Frieza Race, to which he replied that no others with abnormal power or cruelty exist, meaning that if any others existed, they would have average power. Cooler's existance is a direct contradiction to this, it is not an inconsistency of the canon because Cooler was non canon to begin with, but it does in fact make Cooler the only non canon character that Toriyama has flat out disproven with his own words. 

As such, the idea that Cooler is the only character for Toriyama to ever flat out prevent from even being speculated to be canon is very much a fact and also is a big enough fact to belong in a trivia section about said character. Koibito888 (talk) 06:50, March 3, 2016 (UTC)

You are editing on a site that you didn't read the Manual of Style for, even though it was the very first message you received on your talk page after you made your first edit. You message here is how I know. Read the Manual of Style and your questions will be answered. If not, come post here again. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 23:19, March 8, 2016 (UTC)

Saga Navigation

Sorry to bother you again, but I just wanted to know your opinion on this. Thanks. -- Final ChidoriTalkContribs 16:15, March 5, 2016 (UTC)

I'll take a look. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 23:16, March 8, 2016 (UTC)


My apologies for a recent misconception I had. You see, I was just surfing the web and I rolled across Broly: Second Coming on Wikipedia and I noticed that one part of information on the soundtrack stated that it was composed by Mark Menza instead of Nathan Johnson. I thought this was true and so I decided to go edit the following Wiki pages-

-Nathan Johnson

-Mark Menza

-Broly: Second Coming

After I completed the edit, I felt good about myself until the information was changed/removed and I noticed that I may have been wrong about my edit, and may have received the wrong information. So I need reassurance, so that not onl I make the same mistake, but everyone else, whio is it really composed by, since Wikipedia states the soundtrack for BSC was composed by Menza whereas this Wiki says Johnson did it. And I have to admit, some of their scores do sound very similar. But it may be wrong. However, Wikipedia still hasn't changed or removed it. I need help, which one is right and which one is wrong? Anyone?

Drastical (talk) 05:52, March 6, 2016 (UTC)DrasticalDrastical (talk) 05:52, March 6, 2016 (UTC)

This isn't really the place for that.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  06:11,3/6/2016 
Check the movie credits. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 23:31, March 6, 2016 (UTC)


Why do we record flashbacks in that has been seen in a series before? For example, in they show something in DBZ and in DBGT they show a flash back to, do we need to record that in a DBGT section? I mean, if it's a flashback back we've never seen before but I'm talking about a flash back we've seen before. Do we need to record it? Meshack (talk) 06:33, March 6, 2016 (UTC)

For episode articles, it's certainly worth noting that they show a flashback, since it is part of the synopsis and they would only show the flashback if it is relevant to the plot. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 23:33, March 6, 2016 (UTC)
What about character pages? It'll have the GT section and it references a flash back in DB or DBZ. Do you need to record flashbacks for character pages if it has already been shown before? Meshack (talk) 23:35, March 6, 2016 (UTC)
Depends on the context. You could wrote something like "18 remembered that 17 had done blah during the Cell saga, leading her to realize that blah was worth a try." A worse version would be "18 remembered that 17 had done blah during the Cell saga. During the Cell saga, 17 blahhhhh *paragraphs later* blahhhh. After she was done remembering, she realized that blah was worth a try." -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 23:11, March 8, 2016 (UTC)
okay Meshack (talk) 10:20, March 9, 2016 (UTC)


On Freeza's page, the God of Destruction Champa Saga is there but Freeza does not appear and it just references Frost but he's not Freeza. Should it be there? I don't think so Meshack (talk) 05:35, March 8, 2016 (UTC)

Interesting question, why not discuss it on the Frieza talk page. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 23:08, March 8, 2016 (UTC)

User:Havlar2 & User:BlaineTepes

These users are vandalizing Frost's page using derogatory language unacceptable on the site. Meshack (talk) 05:45, March 8, 2016 (UTC)

It's also worth noting that they're both day-old accounts with one edit, so they're most likely sockpuppets. That reminds me, do we still have an active checkuser here? They're always handy. -- Final ChidoriTalk 21:02, March 8, 2016 (UTC) 
We do but not as active as I think he should be his name is SS4 Vegito.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  21:19,3/8/2016 
They are both blocked, thanks all. SSJ4 Vegito is inactive. We do not have an active checkuser. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 23:14, March 8, 2016 (UTC)
Ok well then we need an active checkuser.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  01:03,3/9/2016 
We don't need one, but a checkuser could be useful during situations like this. I'm not sure what the criteria is for one (though I'm pretty sure wikia staff gives people the rights), but I'd totally nominate myself either 10X or PrinceZarbon if they go by nominations. -- Final ChidoriTalk 03:12, March 9, 2016 (UTC)

Last time, SSJ4 Vegito asked Wikia staff. I believe staff responded by asking the admins here if they were okay with that, then they made a forum for the community to express their opinion. Remember that a checkuser can find the exact location of any user, so the whole community has to trust that person. I imagine the current process is similar to that one. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 03:17, March 11, 2016 (UTC)

Random Page

I was lurking around in the Bleach wiki, and I noticed that there are more "random ___" options inside of the header bar thingamadoodle using the random in category special page. I think our wiki could utilize this. It looks fairly nice and organized as well. Basically, instead of being redirected to the typical episode or manga chapter by clicking the random button (since there's so many of them), we could have seperate random buttons that only redirect to a specific category, like characters or video games. Just a quick idea I had. -- Final ChidoriTalk 02:23, March 10, 2016 (UTC)

that would be nice. Meshack (talk) 02:25, March 10, 2016 (UTC)
Screenshot from Bleach Wiki? -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 03:18, March 11, 2016 (UTC)

Reporting myself / Some other things

Hey 10X, this seems a bit childish but here it goes. I'm reporting myself on behalf of Goku20. He's been threatening to report me for a while now and I'm honestly tired of waiting. I don't know why he wants to report me, but I want to get this conflict over with as soon as possible. Goku20 has been consistently reverting and undoing edits, sometimes for absolutely no reason at all. In fact, I conducted a cool expiriment to prove this; I went to his contributions, sorted by 500 edits per page, then used ctrl-f to find all instances of "undo" and "revert". "Revert" came up 208 times, and "undo" came up 88 times, totalling to about 296. Nearly 300 out of his 500 edits were reverting/undoing someone else's edits. That's quite a ton, 60% of his edits are reverting other's. I'm not saying undoing is a bad thing, there's a lot of terrible edits out there that deserve to be undone, and I thank Goku20 for doing that.

It's just that some of those edits don't deserve to be undone at all. Here's a recent one, with Goku20 undoing 5 of a user's edits with no summary at all. Looking through the edit, Goku20 reverted fixed sentences back into awkward ones with poor grammar("during a training", "3rd GradeSuper Saiyan", etc.) and he reverted correct statements into things that are outright wrong (Gohan's punch didn't make Cell regurgitate 18, it was a kick). Best of all, he reverted good word choice back to things that are (excuse me) absolute crap. Buu apparently gets "really scared", not "frightened". You get the idea, right? There was absolutely no need to revert those five edits at once, and I daresay that's abusing rollback privileges, as I'm pretty sure rollback is used for vandalism and not edit warring.

So, I decided to go in and redo those edits piece by piece because there were a few edits made afterwards that I didn't want to remove. I did so, and left an edit summary explaining what I did. In this summary I accused Goku20 for being an edit warmonger, reverting things for no reason at all as I explained previously. In the two months I've started being active again in this wiki, I've seen this take place many times. Goku20 disputes an edit with often no summary or message explaining why, sometimes provoking people into edit warring with him, where Goku20 then either reports the user to an admin or chews them out for not following "site policy". Keep in mind that I'm not at all saying that what he's doing is wrong, sometimes it's completely justified as well. I just believe that he's taking advantage of the rules once in a while and abusing his rollback privileges. But, as provoking someone against edit warring isn't against the rules, I can't do much about it except call him out in an edit summary.

Goku20 then decides to leave a message on my talk page, stating that I "don't know jack about good edits" and that I should keep my "stupid opinion" of him out of my edit summaries. I do think that was needlessly harsh for such simple (and politely worded) accusation, but again, that's not against the rules, so it's no matter. I replied on his talk page, basically saying that the things he reverted weren't a matter of opinion, they were either facts or proper English. For example, Gohan *kicked* Cell (not punched), and Vegeta did not blow up in a "nuke-like" explosion, it was a spherical explosion. In this message I did not insult him, I just asked why he hasn't reported me like he said he'd do last time. He then proceeded to remove my message again (which is not against the rules, a user has the right to decide what remains on his/her talk page if I'm not mistaken).

Basically, I'm not asking you to ban Goku20 at all, I'm asking if I deserve a ban. I may have acted a bit childish when I insisted that he reported me, yes, but I mainly wanted to see if he had any grounds for reporting me at all and that's why I'm here asking you right now. I'm also terribly sorry for the wall of text that you had to read, and I'm also sorry for including you in such a petty squabble. I just don't want this to keep happening. Thank you for reading.

I've also taken that screenshot from the Bleach wiki you requested, sorry for giving it so late. I remember that you used monobook a few years ago, do you still use that? I'm not sure how the top menu looks like on that, but I assume it works correctly for both skins. Anyway, each option (episodes, music, etc.) have a random option that looks just like the chapter one I posted in the screencap. They use categories to sort the random button using the Special:RandomInCategory page I was talking about the other day. I think our categories are pretty good as well, so we could be able to integrate something like this easily.


Lastly, are we actually in need of a checkuser? I'm not sure because of the decline in activity (and vandalism) here, but I really wouldn't know. I could message staff about it if you'd like, I'm actually interested in how this works. Sorry again for the text wall haha. -- Final ChidoriTalk 16:54, March 13, 2016 (UTC) 

Looks like you didn't do anything wrong, and Goku20 is going overboard with the reverts/general aggressiveness. I left him a note. The "stupid opinion" comment was harsh and a step too far, but it's a rare slip-up from him in terms of actual breaking a policy. I try not to block users unless I feel they'll legitimately benefit from it. In this case, I feel a note was more appropriate. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 04:57, March 15, 2016 (UTC)
Thank you. I certainly wasn't trying to get him blocked or anything, I just wanted to make sure that I'm not in the wrong, so thanks again for the help haha. About the Random options, do you think they could be correctly implemented without making the bar look cluttered? I could try adding them, but to my understanding, the bar is on the mediawiki page and my personal testing wiki was deleted. If you can't add it, I could try talking to a more coding-versed admin (no offense to you), but if you can that would be pretty great. -- Final ChidoriTalk 20:00, March 15, 2016 (UTC)

Reply to your note

I will agree with you that my user interactions have went downhill majorly with new user's but if you read the entire section for Fangusu and look at the edit wars you would see I was starting to get aggravated with the fact that another user after being repeatedly told site policy would continue not to follow it. Now to the whole reporting thing of Final I told him (if you went back to when he messaged me before the quick question section which clearly you done) that I was done with him and that if he messaged me again I would report him for harassment, yes at first he asking a question but then it got to where he thought that I didn't have a reason behind why I thought Fangusu was another user who was new here and took forever it felt like to follow site policy. Also I didn't see everything that theGroundworkGuy had made because I didn't completely check the edit history because after like checking two of his/her edits and seeing all he/she changed was some rewording I figured that was all and while I was right about what all the user changed I was also wrong one for not checking all of them and two for rolling them back instead of undoing them one by one but to my defense there the edits where chain edits by the user. Also I would like to say that the whole "stupid opinion" was about Final's opinion about why I undo edits. Now Final since I know you are going to read this and probably reply first off I ask you not to reply because this is not meant for you if it was it would be on your talk page, finally my reason for undoing edits is the same as yours wither the edit is a good edit or not doesn't matter I don't agree with the edit so I undo it bottom line, if I undone edits for the reason you thought I would have a lot more edits in my contributions that are either undoing or reverting and you can't really count talk page edits of those. Now I will try to work on my user interactions.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  13:04,3/15/2016 

I know you told me not to reply, but I don't think you can tell me what to do on other people's talk pages, especially one that's as public as an admin's. Anyway, I just wanted to say that admitting your actions were wrong was a good thing to do and I'm happy that you chose to do that. I certainly don't want to start another argument here, but you said "if I undone edits for the reason you thought I would have a lot more edits in my contributions that are either undoing or reverting and you can't really count talk page edits of those".
As I previously pointed out, 60% of your recent 500 edits are undoes. There's nothing wrong with that, but using the same ctrl+f method on my recent 500 contributions, the word "revert" comes up 8 times and "undo" comes up 26 times, totaling 34/500 (6.8%). Granted, I do edit less frequently to than you do, so that could easily be an explanation. I tried this on a former (extremely avid) editor here and the words "undo" and "revert" came up 38/500 times (7.6%). I can't tell you to stop undoing edits, especially because most of your undoes are justified, I'm just strongly recommending that you leave a helpful summary afterwards to avoid arguments and confusion.
Anyway, I'm not sure where I'm going with this, I just think statistics are interesting. Back to my main point, I'm glad that you decided to admit that you were being a wee bit too harsh to the new users and I'm hopeful that you follow through. -- Final ChidoriTalk 20:21, March 15, 2016 (UTC)
I asked you not to I didn't tell you and sorry to burst your bubble (not meaning to come off harsh or anything with that) but majority of the user's that I have had problems with I have given them an edit summary and they would not listen like Nikon23 for example. The reason you think I undo/revert edits is to start edit wars so if that was the reason I would have a lot more of those kind of edits in a month or in a day is what I was getting at with that because of the fact that anyone who's only reason to undo/revert edits is to start an edit war who do that consistently unlike me who give all user's the benefit of the doubt twice (which I need to work on) and then give them an edit summary the third time.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  20:33,3/15/2016 
I don't think the ratio of undoing edits to adding content really says whether an editor is good or bad. You'll notice that we all call ourselves "editors" not "authors", and although both apply it is generally easier to add content to an article than to make things neat and encyclopedic enough to be the premier knowledge base for a part of English language culture (in our case, the Dragon Ball franchise). Years ago I added lots and lots of content, but as I got more experience I became more useful to the community as someone who is very familiar with our policies and style, so now I like to spend my time keeping things consistent and organized moreso than writing the latest episode plot summaries. If Goku20 wants to spend his time weeding out bad edits by new users, that's totally fine, and something that only an experienced editor like him can do well. Granted, Final Chidori has shown an example where Goku20 was a bit overzealous and reverted a good edit, but no one's perfect and all skills improve over time. While we all improve in our editing, let's also work to be civil and respect each other. We often all disagree about exactly how to make edits, articles, and the site better, but those are all shared end goals, and we're all on the same team. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 23:28, March 16, 2016 (UTC)
And why was my name mentioned? Nikon23 23:39, March 20, 2016 (UTC)
 Oh so you just going to ignore me Nikon23 08:35, March 30, 2016 (UTC)

Nobody is trying to ignore you, your sig isn't really a sig (if you'd like a working sig, feel free to message me) and your short messages sort of blend in with everything else, not to mention this was quite a while ago. Your name was mentioned because Goku20 was giving an example. -- Final ChidoriTalk 19:53, March 30, 2016 (UTC)

Seems like you're asking Goku20 a question on my page on an old thread. Try messaging him on his page on a new thread and he's much more likely to see it. Without trying to sound like a jerk by being obvious, I'll recommend that you can probably answer your question "why was my name mentioned" by reading his post. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 01:03, Mparch 31, 2016 (UTC)
I don't think i was talking to you in the first place final chidori. I know how to make a sig. I choose not to. So keep your sly insults to your self. And you know that me and him do not get along 10x Kamehameha. I have nothing to say to him. I been doing good avoiding interactioning with this guy for sometime, now all of a sudden out of the blue my name pops up. He could of worded his example a different way, but once again he gets away with insulting me, but when i did it last year, i was block continuously for it Nikon23 10:32, March 31, 2016 (UTC)
Sly insults? It was a genuine offer, I can totally make you a sig if you want, in fact, I find making them sorta fun. I don't understand the point of not linking your sig to your account, but whatever dude. You do you, I guess. Just don't mistake my hospitality for rudeness. From what I see, Goku20 didn't outright insult you, he just said that you didn't listen to his edit summaries (which could be true or could be false, I honestly have no idea). I don't see anything wrong with stating facts. -- Final ChidoriTalk 22:00, March 31, 2016 (UTC)
Nikon23 I did not insult you I stated a fact that you use to edit war even if I did leave an edit summary which meant you wouldn't listen and you done it multiple times. Now if stating a fact is insulting then no one but liars would be on here.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  22:03,3/31/2016 
Didn't i just say in my previous comment  that i didn't need any help on a sig Final Chidori?! Nikon23 18:36, April 1, 2016 (UTC)
You can't tell me how to take things, It may not sound like a insult to you and other users, but to me, it was.Nikon23 18:36, April 1, 2016 (UTC)
Goku20 This isn't the first time you done this. (10x's archives from 2015)  You could of easily written your example a different way without mentioning anyone's name. This has nothing to do with what's true or false Nikon23 18:36, April 1, 2016 (UTC)
Still isn't an insult you might be right but I could have used BigGrim or another user I had the same problem with but you was the one I had the most problem with and I am done with this you can keep thinking I insulted you and getting all upset about it or you can just drop it and move on since this thread is old anyways.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  23:48,4/1/2016 
I saw that you had a non-linking text only signature, felt bad, then I asked you if you'd want me to make one for you. A simple "no thanks" would suffice, but golly gee mate, sorry for "insulting" you. If you take this much offense over a simple gesture of kindness and someone giving an example by including your name, it may be in your best interest to grow yourself some thicker skin. -- Final ChidoriTalk 02:00, April 2, 2016 (UTC)
Goku20 this thread isn't that old. In the near Future i would appreciate if you don't mention my name please. What's so hard about that. Nikon23 04:56, April 2, 2016 (UTC)

Come on guys, we're better than this. Goku20, please try not to mention Nikon23 when it is not necessary. Final Chidori, you made a kind offer but Nikon23 would not like help with a signature from you at this time. Let's go back to what we were doing and let this thread die. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 01:03, April 3, 2016 (UTC)

Yeah, looking back, my previous message comes off a bit too harsh. Sorry about that. -- Final ChidoriTalk 02:20, April 3, 2016 (UTC)

Please delete

Some user made a page for a fanmade DB series, Dragon Ball XY(xtreme yamcha). Could you delete it? Thanks. Stryzzar (talk) 05:57, March 17, 2016 (UTC)

Looks like another admin deleted it. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 15:31, March 19, 2016 (UTC)

Dragon Ball Z: Budokai Tenkaichi 3 HD Remake

Excuse me please, the Dragon Ball Z: Budokai Tenkaichi 3 HD Remastered for the PlayStation 3, PlayStation 4, Xbox One and PC via Steam it will be launched this year look site: BabyKratosxZeus (talk) 17:30, March 17, 2016 (UTC)

That is a page of fans requesting an HD remake. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 15:33, March 19, 2016 (UTC)

Spammer in the forums

This guy named BH Ouji has been spamming on the forums. It's nothing too major, but I just thought you should check it out. Here are a couple of his posts:

Here he says Trunks and Future Trunks are cunts.

And here he says everyone hates the DB Wiki.

I checked out his user page, and apparently you've dealt with him before, so I thought if this was his second time it was worth reporting. Plant (talk) 16:26, March 19, 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll check it out. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 05:01, March 20, 2016 (UTC)

Willing to turn the other cheek and cooperate

Since I want to help this wiki. I will cooperate and try to help the wiki. I would like to hear your views on my new forum. I will not be like that other wiki and say let's call things canon and noncanon. I agree with your points. I'll be nice enough to create info-boxes to make the wiki feel more "alive" but I can only do this if we're going to work together to make the wiki more efficient --{{SUBST:User:ONEY PUNCH/Sig‎}} 00:00, March 21, 2016 (UTC)

Forums are for fan discussions, top 10 lists, etc. Forums are not very visible and are forgotten about in time. We carry out sitewide policy discussions on the relevant talk pages. For example, a main page change would be discussed on the main page talk page. A rules change would be discussed on the rules talk page. The style change you're recommending should be discussed on the Manual of Style talk page. This allows for the entire community to weigh in. I left a comment requesting as much on the forum. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 23:47, March 21, 2016 (UTC)

About Dragon Ball Super

I need to ask your opinon of the Dragon Ball Super being canon. I honestly believe it is canon though others argue it isn't canon despite the fact the original author himself said so about it. Starkiller215 (talk) 01:32, March 22, 2016 (UTC)Starkiller215

Well I'll correct you right now by saying Toriyama said no such thing. For a more thorough answer, read my link at the top of this page about the DB Wiki stance on canon. Thanks. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 23:06, March 22, 2016 (UTC
Oh okay, that does make sense there. People for some reasons claimed that DBS is canon to the point they go by using the original author's statement about DBS. I honestly foolishly believe it as well. If the DBS isn't canon, it means the God of Destruction Beerus is not universal buster though I guess since it was based on the fan based definition of canon. If you wonder where I heard the rumors of DBS being canon, it was FanFiction and other sources. Starkiller215 (talk) 23:58, March 22, 2016 (UTC)Starkiller215


ILOVELANDXXX has vandalized Oolong, Innocent Buu, and List of film antagonists as of right now.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  00:39,3/25/2016 

Thanks, he's blocked now. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 15:20, March 25, 2016 (UTC)

Galick Blazer

Please take a look at the Galick Blazer page and tell me if you think that all the pictures are for the same attack.  Thanks.  Stitchking1 (talk) 01:55, March 28, 2016 (UTC)

Will do. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 01:06, March 29, 2016 (UTC)
Yes, they all look like the same attack to me. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 01:10, March 29, 2016 (UTC)
Sorry, but it looks like a case of someone assigning a name to a random ki blast.  The one from the Cell getting blasted and the ones from the game look legit, but the one from Vegeta training looks kind of random to me.  I don't think that any generic ki blast needs a to be given a name when there is absolutely nothing the confirms what it is since someone could even call that move a Big Bang Attack if they were to use such a broad set of requirements. Stitchking1 (talk) 01:23, March 29, 2016 (UTC)
I'll take the lack of response as you not wanting to hear what I'm talking about so at least take a look at these pics and tell me which one is the odd one out. The first two he is holding his arm as he is shooting while in the third image he isn't.   I know I don't come by here to make a lot of edits but that doesn't mean I don't know what I'm talking about.  I see a lot of techniques on this wiki that I think are dubiously named by I only comment on ones that are I believe are seriously in error so at the very least take my opinion into consideration .Stitchking1 (talk) 16:26, March 30, 2016 (UTC)
I forgot to mention that the image from Vegeta training doesn't even fit the description at the beginning of the page.  Stitchking1 (talk) 16:28, March 30, 2016 (UTC)
There's a lot of messages here and old ones often get buried, I wouldn't blame him for not responding in one day. Someone probably put the training images there because the ki blast was purple. I personally don't think they're the same attack, but I can see why someone would. -- Final ChidoriTalk 19:49, March 30, 2016 (UTC)
I can too, and I'm not going beat someone in the head over an opinion.  But, I always assumed that their were certain requirements that need to be met to put a name on a technique.  The move was named Dragon Ball Heroes.  The technique is described as Vegeta extending one arm while bracing it with the other.  Which, looks exactly how he shot the blast that distracted Cell, right?  Okay, now we have another time Vegeta is supposedly shooting this technique which is while he is training.  Yes he does extend his arm to shoot the blast (admittedly his left arm which is the same as the other Galick Blazer) but he doesn't brace it with his right arm.  While this wiki refers to it as a Galick Blazer, it appears indistinguishable from a random ki blast and there is no reference to it being a Galick Blazer anywhere else.  Sure you can call it a Galick Blazer, but you could also call a bunch of other things too.  Big Bang Attack for starters, and it is actually more similar to a Big Bang that a Galick Blazer. Stitchking1 (talk) 20:09, March 30, 2016 (UTC)

Sorry for the delay my friend. When I am delayed in replying, it simply means I haven't replied yet. If it goes a week or two that's another story. In any case, I'm not seeing anyone (on my talk page) strongly disagreeing with you, so you should edit the page how you like. If someone disagrees, they'll most likely undo the edit and you can talk about it then. For something this simple on a minor page you don't need approval before editing. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 01:10, March 31, 2016 (UTC)

Super Saiyan 3?!

Apologies, but I'm having a little difficulty resolving an issue with User:Goku20 regarding the Super Saiyan 3?! page. Would you mind looking into it when you have time? Thanks, Sanokal K-T (talk) 02:14, March 28, 2016 (UTC)

Sure thing, I'll take a look and probably leave a note on its talk page. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 01:07, March 29, 2016 (UTC)
10X I think I was in the right but if not I will admit I was wrong.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  01:09,3/29/2016 

But which is better the way the article currently has the summary or the way Sanokal K-T's edit was?  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  01:16,3/29/2016 

If the issue is tense, present tense should be used for in-universe events. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 01:21, March 29, 2016 (UTC)
Really to me it isn't the tense, I went off the actual problem which for me is how it reads best.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  01:24,3/29/2016 


Are you placing a blind eye to ONEY PUNCH formerly known as CmPukesy? He has been trolling for the last feel hours can you block him Asuma 000 (talk) 01:19, March 29, 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, I didn't realize what he had been posting. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 01:35, March 29, 2016 (UTC)


If a user only use the article talk page once what should happen if they go back to remaking their edit and won't continue talking about it?  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  01:19,3/29/2016 

Try their talk page, or give me a link. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 01:36, March 29, 2016 (UTC)
Final already reverted the edit but it isn't the first time Fangusu has done it, it was on the Saiyan article the last time was on Cooler.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  01:43,3/29/2016 
I undid the edit to the way that looks best. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 01:46, March 29, 2016 (UTC)
Ok the main problem is that Fangusu has continually edit warred and will only use the talk page once and if she doesn't feel like the user who undid her edit is going to say they were wrong she will not continue to talk about it and she will re-add her edit.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  01:53,3/29/2016 

Looks like she stopped. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 00:16, March 30, 2016 (UTC)

Ok if she starts again I will come to you.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  08:07,3/30/2016 

Fangusu is back and remade the edit and since it has been a week from the day she used the article talk page that means if I am right the consensus was in my favor, I undid her edit. I asked her not to remake the edit.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  01:57,4/2/2016 

I saw, you all need to keep discussing. Voting doesn't work because some people are always upset and the popular answer isn't always best. Work for a mutually agreeable edit. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 00:59, April 3, 2016 (UTC)
I wasn't voting.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  01:01,4/3/2016 


A guy named Z. R. Byrum just made this. I thought you might want to check it out. Just a DB fan trying his best (talk) 23:55, March 31, 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll take a look. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 00:32, April 1, 2016 (UTC)


The ThunderBeam thinks that what he added is trivia. Do you agree with this? Meshack (talk) 22:46, April 3, 2016 (UTC)

Nope, I undid the edit and left a summary. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 00:43, April 5, 2016 (UTC)

Nappa Trivia

I've placed the word "indirectly" through the triva, I am well aware that Nappa and Vegeta only came to earth to get the Dragon Balls for the purpose of receiving immortiality. But Nappa at one point did consider bringing Raditz back with the Dragon Balls while the Saiyan conflict was taking place. It's true there's no intention of Nappa attemtping to avenge Raditiz and he was merely toying with the Z-Fighters until Vegeta ordered him to kill them before Goku could arrive. But the act of killing Piccolo was unintentional and indirect. Technically Piccolo was Raditz's killer and had Piccolo didn't jump in the way and sacrifice himself to save Gohan as the attack was meant for Gohan, not Piccolo. Technically and in a sense, Nappa indirectly killed Piccolo and unwittingly avenged Raditz's because Piccolo technically killed Raditz along with Goku during the beginning of the Saga. Please respond to give me feedback and correct if I'm wrong.

If this is not true then I'd like question the trivia about Korin indirectly saving Gohan's life in Namek Saga with his senzu beans even though he grew them for Goku to heal from the hospital during the Namek saga, technically the beans do belong to Korin and hadn't Goku fed them to Gohan to heal his broken neck, he would've died at the hands of Recoome. ThunderBeam707 (talk) 12:07, 4-5-15 (UTC)

Again, that's like saying Frieza avenged Nappa by killing Vegeta. We could honestly add something like this to every page. Piccolo avenges the farmer by killing Raditz. Vegeta avenges the city Nappa destroyed when he kills Nappa. If it's not his intention, it's not worth mentioning. -- Final ChidoriTalk 19:52, April 5, 2016 (UTC)

^ First of all, I didn't ask for your feedback on the edit and secondly I'm talking about the incident during the Saiyan conflict. Piccolo didn't even know the farmer nor did he know that Raditz killed the farmer nor why should he be concerned before his change of heart during the Saiyan Saga. Nappa and Vegeta knew of his death through their scouters and Raditz was solely a Saiyan survivor and a member of their team. I doubt Frieza would notice or care as he's only using them for their own personal gain and let alone killed them in means of getting rid of them out of constant fear and due to them being a threat to him. No duh, It wasn't their intention to avenge Raditz that's why I kept using the word "indirectly" and "unintentionally" through the sentences, how can you overlook something like that or are you just blind? I don't know how many times I have to keep putting this down for you to understand what I'm typing. But right now, your words don't matter to at this time, right now I only wish to hear feedback from the admin and the admin alone. Until I receive official confirmation from the administer, you have no say in the matter whether you're allowed to chip in and say what's on your mind or not. At this point now, you'll just be ignored. 5:59 ThunderBeam707 (talk) 4-5-16 (UTC)

No need to be so hostile, I can tell you right now that a toxic attitude won't help sway people in favor of your edits. Please calm down before insulting someone unprovoked. In case you didn't know, average users, rollbacks, moderators, admins, etc. all have the same weight behind their opinion on articles. You don't need to bother an admin on such a trivial thing. Knowing that, feel free to ignore me. I just want to make it apparent that I'm against the change and I want to provide my reasons for thinking that.
Piccolo didn't know the farmer, but he did "indirectly" avenged him by killing Raditz. Piccolo also "indirectly" avenged his own father by killing Goku. It doesn't matter that Frieza didn't care about his comrades, he still "indirectly" avenged Nappa, Zarbon, and the Ginyu force by killing Vegeta. -- Final ChidoriTalk 00:38, April 6, 2016 (UTC)
First things first, everyone in this community has a say in matters and the more opinions the better. We want to get a lot of ideas and insight to come up with the best solution to every edit conflict. Thank you Final Chidori for weighing in. I completely agree that characters who killed characters get killed later all the time in this series, and it's of no consequence at all. ThunderBeam707, you're right to question a trivia statement saying Korin indirectly saved Gohan's life by producing a senzu bean meant for Goku. Go ahead and remove it if you think the article would be better without it. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 04:36, April 7, 2016 (UTC)

Dragon Ball Gang merge

Do you think we should combine Dragon Ball Gang and Z Fighters into "Dragon Team" because it's basically one team? There's a talk here Meshack (talk) 05:08, April 5, 2016 (UTC)

I'll respond on the talk page. Short answer is yes I do. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 04:40, April 7, 2016 (UTC)

Another Note: Nappa Trivia

Also before you might say something like "That's like saying Nappa also indirectly avenged Goku's death too", I'd like to point out to you that Goku chose to sacrifice himself while Radtiz didn't want to die while about to meet his end at the hands of Piccolo. 12:14 ThunderBeam707 (talk) 4-15-16 (UTC)

Let's try and contain the discussion to one thread. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 04:41, April 7, 2016 (UTC)


First how do i become a admin and how to take away the baba photo thing? Mjbama2010 (talk) 01:14, April 6, 2016 (UTC)

Hey, welcome to the wiki! I'm not 10X, but I'll try and answer all your questions since he may not get online for a bit. Check out the page on admins for all that admin info. As for your second question, what do you mean by "baba photo thing"? I'm not sure what you're talking about. -- Final ChidoriTalk 01:40, April 6, 2016 (UTC)

Name calling

Some users are calling others name  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  11:49,4/6/2016 

It was clearly a joke, even Bunny/Miri was in on it. The whole blog was satire. -- Final ChidoriTalk 19:43, April 6, 2016 (UTC)

^ Pretty much what he said. Smh we can never have a good time without some misunderstanding... :/ ---♥Bunny♥

  • Harassing/insulting other users is not allowed.
It doesn't matter if it was a joke or not that is no excuse to break the rules.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  03:41,4/7/2016 
"Harassing/insulting other users is not allowed."
Harassment is "aggressive pressure or intimidation" (according to google). None of that was aggressive as everyone was in on the joke. Nobody was offended or intimidated.
Insulting someone is to (again, according to google) "speak to or treat with disrespect or scornful abuse". Nobody was disrespected or abused at all.
It was a satirical blog created for stupid comments, note the purposefully bad grammar. I don't understand why you're so quick to report something so innocent, it's just a joke. Going on someones talk page and cursing them out is harassment, a small joke between a few people isn't harassment at all. The rules are there to protect the wiki and the users, not to get people banned over simple jokes. -- Final ChidoriTalk 21:35, April 7, 2016 (UTC)
Joke or not doesn't matter calling someone a troll is insulting so is calling someone a dummy no matter how it is spelled so yea it falls into the category for a reason to report someone I suggest if you all want to joke like that then go to a site where they don't have a rule against insulting people. Like I said before saying it was a joke isn't an excuse for braking the rule. Do you not think name calling wither a joke or not falls under disrespect? If you and the others don't then maybe you all need to learn that it does. I am so quick to report you all because you all clearly broke a rule and if you, Bunny, and the others don't like the fact that I don't care why you all insulted each other and reported you all for breaking a rule then that's on you all.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  06:42,4/9/2016 
Again, calling someone a troll when it's an obvious joke that both parties are in on isn't "insulting". Like I said before, the rule is placed there to prevent users from actually being harassed and offended, they're not there for you to bother admins and try to get others banned because someone may be "technically" breaking the rules. Name calling as a joke does not fall under disrespect, what are you even talking about? Miri, Exeronious, Sand Bear, and literally everyone else besides you who commented there was joking. Basically, a few friends having a mock argument =/= harassment and disrespect.
Feel free to report us all you want, as a user, you have a right to do that. It's just that I do feel a bit bad for the poor admins who need to deal with petty stuff like this. -- Final ChidoriTalk 01:32, April 10, 2016 (UTC)

Goku20, did you feel insulted yourself, or are you talking about them calling Delectable Bunny a troll? I'm pretty sure she was not insulted by them saying that to her in this joking context. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 02:24, April 11, 2016 (UTC)

I did and also 10X since you can't tell on here when someone is joking or not until pretty much the last minute I seriously think it would be best if you did tell them that so this misunderstanding doesn't happen again to put haha or lol after the name, since they seem to think that it is a misunderstanding and none of them until after I commented on the blog had thought to say it is a joke.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  07:26,4/11/2016 
Because it was an incredibly obvious joke. Besides you, nobody needed to be told that it was a joke because everyone understood it. Are you seriously trying to say we should type "lol" after every satirical statement? That just... breaks the immersion, the point of the joke was that everyone understood it was a joke. Like, all the users involved knew each other and the whole blog was typed in poor grammar/spelling on purpose to signify that it was a joke. You also reported us *after* we had told you it was a joke multiple times, so I doubt it really was a misunderstanding on your part. -- Final ChidoriTalk 10:47, April 11, 2016 (UTC)
I am telling you now Final and you can tell the rest of them as far as I am concern you all broke the rules no matter why troll and dummy are disrespectful names to call someone, also Bunny has bad grammar anyways so I don't see that as making it a joke, but whatever you all can have your fun but when one of you all start feeling disrespected and report the person I will reply and say "oh what happened to it being a joke." because unlike you all I know where joking around like that can lead. Yes I am because maybe you, Bunny, ThunderBeam, and the others knew it was a joke but not everyone did I can grantee you that.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  11:02,4/11/2016 
At this point, I'm not even going to bother trying to restate things I've already said. The bottom line is, nobody broke the rules because nobody was deliberately insulting someone else with spite. Honestly, that side comment about Bunny's grammar was probably the most insulting thing to come out of this whole situation. And please, don't worry, nobody here gets offended over obvious "dumy" jokes, and most users know how to solve a dispute between themselves before running over and tattling to an admin. Thanks for trying to look out for the safety of the wiki users, but I can say that we really didn't need it. -- Final ChidoriTalk 18:12, April 11, 2016 (UTC)

"Bunny has bad grammar anyway" Rofl I really don't, like everyone said it was a joke but w/e believe what you want, bro. ---Back at it again

Voice actors

Again, how come we appeal to all dubs but this is the English Dragon Ball? Isn't that why we have inter-wikis for other dubs? If the reader wants to know the the goku va for spanish, they could visit the Spanish wiki. I don't know, it just annoys me for some reason. I just feel like it clutters the wiki because the casual reader does not even care about the seiyū Meshack (talk) 13:19, April 6, 2016 (UTC)

We can't rely on other language Wikis for that information because we can't assume the readers know the other language. Imagine wanting to know the Italian voice actor's name and being told you need to know Italian to get the answer. We don't want to apply the same line of thought to huge blocks of info like plot summaries, but voice actors are just a line per language so it's okay. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 04:50, April 7, 2016 (UTC)
i guess Meshack (talk) 00:24, April 8, 2016 (UTC)


Jim Green is vandalizing Botamo's page Meshack (talk) 19:38, April 6, 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. That looks like the first time he's done that, so I'll keep an eye on him. For real though, very Winnie the Pooh lol. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 04:53, April 7, 2016 (UTC)
yeah Meshack (talk) 05:10, April 7, 2016 (UTC)

SSB and Chou Super Saiyan?????

Let me know if I'm being disrespectful.  But, I do intend to be direct here.  A couple of days ago were having a discussion on the name Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan and Super Saiyan Blue.  First off, I understand how the problem of name being relatively new and the lack of merchandise that carries the name being limited could cause some issues as to whether or not the name should be used.  And I also understand that some people get attached to the first name given to the transformation.  However, I don't believe that should be enough to keep the name.  SSGSS has been dropped in both the anime and the manga and replaced with Super Saiyan Blue.  In fact, they treated SSGSS as if the name never existed.  This page shows intent of the author to change the common name in order to save time and headaches IMO.


  I think there is evidence to warrant a name change that a good number of people would agree with.  Now with that beings said, how does Chou Super Saiyan get a page when it is never officially stated anywhere but the wiki can't change the name of SSGSS to SSB?  The name was first stated in the manga and then, a few months later in the anime.  Two of the most reliable and updated sources available.  Stitchking1 (talk) 23:58, April 6, 2016 (UTC)
General good read for some background: TL;DR? There are many things on the site, some are great and others could use improvement. Just because something exists somewhere doesn't mean it's ideal, so the mere existence of something is not necessarily a justification to make other, similar things.
In terms of SSGSS vs. SSB, you're right that they've both been given official status. I'm being a little redundant with the response I just put on the talk page where we're discussing this, but I'm okay with either way since they're both current and official. In this case, I'm totally happy with whatever the community decides. Whichever article name we pick, both versions will be listed on the article itself. Chou Super Saiyan is currently a candidate for deletion, and might well be gone before too long. You're better off not using that as your example of something worth having. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 05:12, April 7, 2016 (UTC)
You do have a point on all topics.  Stitchking1 (talk) 10:59, April 7, 2016 (UTC)

Regarding Space Pirates

It was there before I added pages to it. I thought I was doing a good job contributing to it.Rogeta234 (talk) 12:50, April 7, 2016 (UTC)

Okay, I understand. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 02:26, April 11, 2016 (UTC)

Regarding Meshack's Last Edit War

Hi Kamehameha! Meshack is back after his block with his edit war and hostile behavior,its undoing my editions where i fix a gramatical error,and when i put the reasons he says Go back to the Spanish Wiki! that offends me,please do something to stop this,he don't want to hear reasons. {{SUBST:Usuario:YonedgeHp/Firma}} 22:34, April 7, 2016 (UTC)

Huh? I never undid your edits about grammatical errors. I undid your edits regarding Vados and Whis because you're going o categorize them as "deities" but they aren't deities. And it wasn't even an edit war. I just undid your edit and then you called it a "war" but it wasn't. Your just trying to play victim Meshack (talk) 23:40, April 7, 2016 (UTC)

Nope,you undid the gramatical fix about Vados wich are clearly specified on the edition resume,you undid it 2 times a row,also you are right,the Whis and Vados being actual Gods stuff is subject to debate,but in the start of Battle of Gods in japanese,latino and German version King Kai tells that only God can sense God Ki,this last subject preferably discuss it on it own talk page. {{SUBST:Usuario:YonedgeHp/Firma}} 23:45, April 7, 2016 (UTC)

Regarding this "report", it wasn't even an edit war. Meshack (talk) 23:48, April 7, 2016 (UTC)
I know,but we almost started it :v {{SUBST:Usuario:YonedgeHp/Firma}} 23:50, April 7, 2016 (UTC)
Sounds like this was resolved... YonedgeHp let me know if this is still a problem. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 02:27, April 11, 2016 (UTC)

Talk pages

I think it would help this wikia a ton if it were to have a Talk Page Archive implemented to all talk pages. Some are very long, messy, annoying to load etc. What do you think of this? You'd have to request it from Wikia staff. Not too sure how it works. Munchvtec (talk) 03:30, April 8, 2016 (UTC)

Any of the admins should be able to help with talk page archives for users or articles. Let us know specific pages and we'll archive for you. I don't think sweeping every article is necessarily a good idea, only the long ones will benefit. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 02:29, April 11, 2016 (UTC)

Hey 10X

I'm sorry for leaving this I know it ain't my business, but I thought you told MeShack not to rename the Z Fighter page into the Dragon Team or something? The Man Who Sold The World (talk) 23:16, April 8, 2016 (UTC)

Dude, check the talk page. I wouldn't merge and change the page without notifying admins. Meshack (talk) 03:11, April 9, 2016 (UTC)
No offense dude, but it wouldn't be the first time you would have broken the rules. The Man Who Sold The World (talk) 03:57, April 9, 2016 (UTC)
But shouldn't you have checked before calling me out? Meshack (talk) 03:58, April 9, 2016 (UTC)
That is my bad, I apologize for that. The Man Who Sold The World (talk) 03:59, April 9, 2016 (UTC)

I said it was okay to do, but the community consensus is what matters. Jim Logan, if you disagree you should go to the talk page and say why. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 02:30, April 11, 2016 (UTC)


The user IAmMaxB is just deliberately deleting my edits for no good reason. I told him several times to stop but he kept doing it. Meshack (talk) 03:52, April 9, 2016 (UTC)

I see that he's not using edit summaries. Why don't you give him some tips on his talk page? I'm sure he'd appreciate the help getting started. Just saying "stop undoing my edits" and threatening him isn't helping him to be a better editor. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 02:34, April 11, 2016 (UTC)


What counts as licensed material? Is it only videos that're only on the Wikia Video Library? I'm asking because I want to know if adding videos from YouTube from Toei's and Bandai's official channels are okay Meshack (talk) 05:09, April 9, 2016 (UTC)

Licensed in what context? Only videos from the Wikia Video Library can be uploaded to the site. Every episode of every series is licensed, but not necessarily fair use licensed for Wikia use. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 02:37, April 11, 2016 (UTC)

Enforcement of the rules

I feel like you and the other admins are not enforcing the Harassing/insulting rule because their is a blog that is supposedly a joke blog where users have insulted each other on it and they are trying to excuse it by saying it is a joke which in my eyes is no reason to call someone a troll, a dummy, or call me Meshack Jr. since I was on here before Meshack had an account, Also if you and the rest of the admins won't then I think we need an admin who will because not enforcing that rule for whatever reason is telling users you can brake any of the rules and say it was a joke and not get in trouble over it. I also feel like the last three users who became admins are not really doing their job as an admin. Just al little note to the other users yes this effects you all but this conversation does not need your all's opinion, so please don't reply.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  07:00,4/9/2016 

Anyone can post on my talk page in any of the threads. We don't all see every blog, so it's occasionally up to the user community to report rule violations to us. I see you already reported this situation to me above, and I have replied. You'll see this above, but I couldn't tell from your message whether you were mad about the users joking around, or mad about what they said about you after you threatened to report them for joking around with each other. Respond above and I'll take action accordingly.
Please note that just because an admin isn't watching every article, forum, blog, chat, and userspace, they may still be doing a good job. By having a team of admins, we are able to cover more of the Wiki because no one can watch everything by themself. However if you're finding we need additional support to cover some specific area of the site (like blogs), then let us know. Recommendations for more admins are always welcome. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 02:43, April 11, 2016 (UTC)
Well I was mad about both because as far as I knew wither you are joking or not if you call another user a disrespectful name it was still against the rules. Also you and the other admins from when I joined that are still here as admins are doing a good job, Neffy is editing and at times undoing another user's edit, Anemicne I really haven't seen anything from him much since he became an admin but he could still be editing and he just isn't editing pages I follow, and the last user who became an admin hasn't edited since the 16th of February now that could be do to they are not able to but I don't know. I think we do need another admin that will help support specific areas (like blogs) and I recommended me not so I can block/ban people but so I can help out more then what I do and also because I am almost always active on here except when I am asleep. I know that anyone can reply on your talk page to any of the threads I just wanted to have a reply from you first here is all. Clearly as you can tell by me reporting them I wasn't threatening them I was making a promise. Also looking back I didn't tell a single one of them that I was going to report them I just done it. Also I think something needs to be done about Exeronious he/she (I don't care which gender the user is) has insulted me twice which to me clearly shows very little if any regard for the insulting rule, I don't care wither I get the admin rights or not but I think since I more active and I don't only keep an eye on the pages I follow but others also, and have been on here long enough to know the rules and enforce them I could be a bigger help and I hope you know when you read this I am not meaning to insulate any of the admins. Also Exeronious thinks I was making a threat about my bluntness which I wasn't if I was allowed to say what I wanted to without having to choose my words carefully I would have a lot more users that don't like me.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  07:51,4/11/2016 
Really? You don't have the decency to actually tell this to my face on the blog and have to tattle on an admin's talk page that you hope all the users you're talking about won't want to respond to your claims because you said not to? Well too bad, I'm going to ignore your wishes. Let's start off with my gender. This statement of yours just shows how you don't do your research on the simplest things, because you can simply click on my name on those posts and there it is, my gender, male. You're still trying to convince 10X into giving you admin status so that you're able to abuse it to your whim, which I know you'll do considering how you assume whether a person is offended whether or not you actually know them, leading to many users being banned over assumptions on your part which isn't what this wiki needs. Going back to your claim about me insulting you, that's up to your interpretation of how disrespectful I was, which doesn't matter at the end of the day since 10X will be deciding what's done and what isn't. Exeronious (talk) 15:23, April 11, 2016 (UTC)
Let me tell you something right now unlike your claims if I get admin rights I won't abuse them, you don't know shit about me so don't speculate about what I am like or what I would do. If users like you who starts disrespecting someone the moment they try to first off remind you of the rules then go to an admin about it since you want to try and excuse what you done. 10X I beg you please give me admin rights and the chance to proof this user and the others wrong because once I do I want an apology for making a worthless speculation. Also he was very disrespectful first of calling me Meshack Jr. (when I have been on here longer then Meshack and have dealt with more of bull crap on here then him) then called me a hypocrite when he doesn't know jack about what I am talking about anyways.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  15:39,4/11/2016 
You're one to talk, considering how you speculate whether people are actually offended or not to try and give your argument any kind-of leverage over mine or the others who partake on the blog or really in general. I'm really not excusing what I've done and feel no shame with what I've said about you due to it all being true. A worthless speculation? You're hilarious. Everything I said about you is true, especially about you making worthless speculation yourself, because that's one of your main points with your argument that you hinge on, hypocrite. Me calling you Meshack Jr. doesn't have anything to do with you dealing with more, as I can really care less about how much attention you've gotten from others, I'm doing it from a comparison on my part, not anyone else's. Exeronious (talk) 15:52, April 11, 2016 (UTC)
I wasn't speculating about someone getting offened or not, I was stating a fact you all broke the rules bottom line don't like to bad get over it. None of what you said about me is true, oh and thanks for just proving that you have no regard for the rules on an admin's talk page I think what happens to you now will be fun to watch and funny to me. Also no it isn't one of my main points my main point and the only point is that you all broke the rules and name called (even though in your all's words it was a joke which to you all make it ok)I am done with you and the rest of them far as I am concerned you all can go fall off the face of the Earth.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  16:00,4/11/2016 
No, you actually were saying that Bunny was being offended by people calling her a troll on a joke blog, so don't give me that BS. I broke all of the rules? Really? Even if your tattling comes to fruition, I only broke one rule, you can quit exaggerating. By the way, I'm cool with giving you the little evidence you've been trying to scavenge up to somewhat support your argument, even though funny enough you insult me and everyone else by telling them to essentially go screw off and never come back, hypocrite. Exeronious (talk) 16:41, April 11, 2016 (UTC)

This is a really disappointing conversation to read. Is this all seriously about trying to get admin rights? You just told a group of people to fall off the face of the Earth, and you really think you're suited for the job? -- Final ChidoriTalk 18:20, April 11, 2016 (UTC)

Yea because unlike the group of people I told that to at least I don't joke around and still brake a rule. Also Final just because I say to to people doesn't mean I am not fit for the job but of course you and your friends if you can call them that think otherwise but all I need is one chance to proof you and everyone else wrong. I am done with you and your friends for now.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  18:35,4/11/2016 
Huh, how odd. I could've sworn you said something about being done earlier in one of your previous rants, but I guess that you just couldn't resist to try and get the last laugh in and look like you're a real good guy by saying you're done with the conversation and want to try and be the bigger person. How dissapointing. You expect 10X to give you admin status when you behave like this? Exeronious (talk) 21:17, April 11, 2016 (UTC)
You literally just insulted us, that's breaking the rules. Yes, insulting people does mean that you aren't fit for the job, admins are supposed to help people and be well-liked by the community. But yeah, you're "done" with us for now, meaning you probably shouldn't reply back since you're so "done". -- Final ChidoriTalk 22:48, April 11, 2016 (UTC)

Is this all because of my blog?? O_o --Bunny

Nah, this kind of pent up aggression takes a while to build up. All the blog did was set off the tantrum haha. -- Final ChidoriTalk 18:14, April 12, 2016 (UTC)
Referring to a user feeling insulted as a tantrum and laughing at them is not very mature. Can everyone cut out taking shots at each other and get along? Maybe simply stay out of each others' way if it's not possible to get along? I have to believe that's a better solution than blocking everyone. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 02:58, April 14, 2016 (UTC)
My bad, I wasn't referring to Goku20 when I talked about a tantrum, it was more of a statement towards this ridiculous conversation as a whole. I should have made that more clear, "tantrum" wasn't the best word to use. Even then, the comment was uncalled for and looking at it again makes me regret writing it.
Anyway, not to point fingers and start a "he started it!" sort of thing, but the conversation Goku20 barged in and reported everyone for had nothing to do with him at all, he's literally looking for trouble. In fact, he placed us on his user page on a topic called "Users I Hate" which makes me just think he's an amazing troll. If I could, I would definitely stay out of Goku20's way, I just felt the need to voice my opinion here because I definitely disagree with him being made an admin. I would list my reasons here, but I think it would be better just to explain my reasoning through email, if that's alright with you. -- Final ChidoriTalk 20:26, April 14, 2016 (UTC)

Contraire to what you and your friends think no one except me knows what I will do as admin which means that the only way to find out is for the admins to agree and give me and admin rights and see what happens. Also if you haven't noticed everyone who I have reported before thought the same thing that what I reported them for had nothing to do with me so I should have stayed out of well I am not sorry to burst anyone's little bubble but to me wither it deals with me or not if I see a violation of the rules I will report it. I am not a troll that list is I feel about you and the rest of the users on there but that doesn't mean if I got admin rights I would use them to block/ban anyone on there it is just to remind me of users who in my eyes have no regard for the rules no matter which rule it is. Oh and 10X I will gladly stay away from him and his buddy that replied plus the rest of their friends, but if I see them break any of the rules I will report them, but you already knew that.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  21:03,4/14/2016 

Whatever dude. If you want to avoid me and "my friends", go ahead. Please. This'll be my last comment here. 10X, I've sent you an email a while ago, I'd prefer to have this conversation over there. Thank you and sorry to clutter your talk page over this ridiculous "event". -- Final ChidoriTalk 23:37, April 14, 2016 (UTC)

I replied to your email Final Chidori. I hope it addresses all of your concerns. I'll add that if you've done nothing wrong, then being "reported" is not a problem. Goku20 calls our attention to where he is pointing us, but you will never be blocked without an admin deciding it's the correct action. Users without admin rights cannot block each other. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 17:15, April 16, 2016 (UTC)

Back at it again

Nikon23 and YonedgeHp are undoing my edits again. It has evidence but he's undoing it for no good reason Meshack (talk) 01:02, April 10, 2016 (UTC)

I am only stopping the Edit War between you and Nikon,you started the war when you undo Niko revisions {{SUBST:Usuario:YonedgeHp/Firma}} 01:11, April 10, 2016 (UTC)

He undid mine, wth?! Are you blind?! He started it Meshack (talk) 01:13, April 10, 2016 (UTC)

First of all, when did akira toriyama ever call dragon ball gt a "side story" again? He called it a "grand side story". second of all, that's the same evidences already presented on the page in the section talking about akira Toriyama's involvement. Third of all, You just wanted to add that side story link, to make it seem like gt was confirmed recently as non canon. So far nothing was ever confirm canon or non canon. and finally, what's this back at it again thing? Nikon23 01:14, April 10, 2016 (UTC)

assumptions. that was not the objective. and you already answered your first question Meshack (talk) 01:18, April 10, 2016 (UTC)
Also in this wiki do not use terms like no canon because its only a subjective manner,Meshack please stay with the MoS and stop creating edit wars between multiple users{{SUBST:Usuario:YonedgeHp/Firma}} 01:21, April 10, 2016 (UTC)
I was not edit warring. I added legitimate information and then Nikon just undoes it. I'm not just going to let him undo legitimate information. Also, saying it was a side-story doesn't make it a claim of being "non-canon". We do the same on Dragon Ball: Episode of Bardock. On the page, it says it's a "what-if" scenario. The same situation Meshack (talk) 01:24, April 10, 2016 (UTC)
Meshack That link that you keep trying to add is already in the toriyama's involvement and canon debate section on the dragon ball gt page. It always has been. Nikon23 01:37, April 10, 2016 (UTC)
Once again, That link was already provided in the toriyama's involvment/canon debate section on the dragon ball gt page. There's no need to add the same link again. Why are you being so difficult Nikon23 04:00, April 10, 2016 (UTC)
I'm not making this difficult. Just drop it. There're a lot of pages with the same links. Go get rid of those if you're so adimate about getting rid of them. You're literally edit warring now Meshack (talk) 04:34, April 10, 2016 (UTC)
You keep re adding the same link that is already on the same page. Nikon23 05:21, April 10, 2016 (UTC)

I'd say it's fine to mention GT's status as a side story at the page top, even if it is also in the canon debate section. It has a role in both sections - stating a fact in one, and acting as evidence in another.--Neffyarious (talk) 10:58, April 10, 2016 (UTC)

First and foremost, Meshack you are obviously edit warring here. Nikon23 you probably were too, because although you were undoing the contested edit you never attempted to use the talk page to resolve the conflict. YonedgeHp you did pretty well, undoing the contested edit and asking all involved to stop edit warring, and you only edited once.
As for the edit itself, we'd be better off discussing on the talk page. As with all contested edits, the page is left as it was before the edit by default, and after a consensus is reached we'll leave the page in the way we decide on. As for the edit, this is such a random piece of content to focus on because maybe it means sequel, continuation, spin-off, or some other combination of those. It probably doesn't mean canon or non-canon, since the only people using those terms are fans on American DB forums and other fan-sites. Nonetheless, some fans seem fixated on this tidbit of marketing on a single DVD case, so we put it in the canon debate section where it can be seen by all such interested fans. The highly ambiguous statement absolutely does not belong in the intro paragraph, meant for a very quick summary of essential facts. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 02:55, April 11, 2016 (UTC)

Main Page

Check this out Meshack (talk) 02:55, April 11, 2016 (UTC)

Thanks. I saw that and I intend to fulfill that user's request shortly. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 03:10, April 11, 2016 (UTC)

Regarding "Past"

I used past because not everything happens in their early life or not everything is their background. Past lets you know what happened before the series they are in rather than having a longer section title saying "Pre-Dragon Ball" or Early Life Meshack (talk) 02:59, April 11, 2016 (UTC)

The problem is: "past" is incorrect. These are fictional events in an imaginary universe on a world that doesn't exist. The events are neither past nor future. "Early Life" or "Pre-Dragon Ball" would both be correct. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 03:12, April 11, 2016 (UTC)

Email me please

Email me please so I can talk to you with out other user's adding their unneeded two sense or you can message me on Facebook.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  01:59,4/12/2016 

I would need your email address to email you. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 03:04, April 14, 2016 (UTC)
Ok it is  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  11:06,4/14/2016 

Okay I emailed you. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 16:58, April 16, 2016 (UTC)

List of characters killed by Gohan

After looking through some articles, I found the pages like List of characters killed by X. But I found out that there's only three, and Gohan's kills are none of those pages. I also looked at the reason why it was deleted here. "There are very few kills, just the on incident and then in 2 movies." Didn't he kill way more than that? Correct me if I'm wrong. Thank you. --ThisUserLikesOreotalk 13:37, April 13, 2016 (UTC)

You can find a full list here:
That page was deleted 6 years ago, so feel free to bring the topic back up on Gohan's talk page if you think it should be a separate article. Personally, it's a pretty short list so I don't think making it into a separate very short article has any benefit. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 03:03, April 14, 2016 (UTC)
Ah, my bad. Didn't even think about checking Gohan's page. And yeah, it's too short, so I'll leave it behind. Thanks for information. --ThisUserLikesOreotalk 12:53, April 14, 2016 (UTC)

Regarding Planet Salad/Sadla Consensus

Hi 10X how it is said in the title,we need to reach a consensus if the page is gonna be renamed or not, i undo the edits because the consensus was not reached on the talk page and we need a response to prevent any conflict,i say to the user that don't rename the page before a decision is reached but he renamed and also left over a redirect that din't let me rename it to the original name 

Greetings! {{SUBST:Usuario:YonedgeHp/Firma}} 22:02, April 13, 2016 (UTC)

Please start a topic on the article's talk page to discuss the issue. Civil discussion is the best way to resolve conflicts. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 03:07, April 14, 2016 (UTC)

SSj3 image

I saw that some dudes were edit warring over the image of Super Saiyan 3 I came up with an idea. Check it bro.

  Tailsman67 Talk | Contribs | Edit Count )   02:14, April 16, 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, I replied. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 17:03, April 16, 2016 (UTC)
BRO I GOT IT TO WORK,YES~!  Tailsman67 Talk | Contribs | Edit Count )   21:54, April 19, 2016 (UTC)
All my base are belong to you. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 01:00, April 21, 2016 (UTC)

New page idea

So, I had an idea for a new technique page. Flurry Punch.

The name comes from one of Goku's attacks in Dragon Ball Z: The Legacy of Goku II. Smijes08 (talk) 14:43, April 16, 2016 (UTC)

Good idea. Make sure to use a reference for where the move was named, otherwise people will think it's fan work and delete it. Some techniques have multiple names, so don't be surprised if the article is merged with another one. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 17:18, April 16, 2016 (UTC)

Heads up

Hey, dude. I found a troll. -- Final ChidoriTalk 19:49, April 20, 2016 (UTC)

Thanks! -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 01:04, April 21, 2016 (UTC)

Vandal War II: Attack of the Trolls

Here's another case of vandalism. Sorta funny, but like the others, uneeded. -- Final ChidoriTalk 23:39, April 22, 2016 (UTC)

My favorite in recent memory was the vandal who pointed out that Botamo is the spitting image of Winnie to Pooh. I think this is all good fun for blogs and forums, but not on the articles of course. Thanks, I'll check this out. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 19:38, April 23, 2016 (UTC)
Oh, I remember that guy. I thought it was pretty funny as well. I agree about keeping satire out of articles, though. -- Final ChidoriTalk 00:37, April 24, 2016 (UTC)


One of your admins, someone you trust so well, removed Super Saiyan Full Power and he's adding "Advanced levels" section to pages that shouldn't be there. I looked at the mos and I didn't see it there. It shouldn't be there at all. And this Chou Super Saiyan page should not be here SSGKakarotto (talk) 06:30, April 23, 2016 (UTC)

SSFP can either be its own page, or added to the main SS page. SSFP was a rather short and redundant article on its own, so a consensus was made by the editors on its talk page to merge with the SS article. The "Chou" term has been used a few times in licensed media, so it's worth having a redirect with a little info on what it means. The description is vague, but that is a result of the form being poorly defined in the media. Given the choice to ignore its existence vs. replicate what little we do know, the latter suits us this time. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 19:50, April 23, 2016 (UTC)
I don't agree with SSG on SSFP but I do agree with him with Chou Super Saiyan.  It is not unheared of for certain things to be written or translated incorrectly.  And in almost any publication where Super Saiyan is written in japanese, "chou": is used as furigana with "super".  If you look at the untranslated Daizenshuu pages it is written like that every time.  But my biggest problem here is the source of the material the name came from.  Not that Monthly New Type is a terrible magazine because honestly I can't say.  But the information where the info came from isn't Dragon Ball media.  Information that comes from an unrelated source should wait to be verified by the actual source material.   And it has been weeks since the issue was released and there is still no verification.  And you're right, you can see "chou" in other forms of media.  Sometimes it is used on it's own or paired with the "super" character.  And when it's used on it's own, it always translated as "Super".  So, to make a long story not as long, I feel that the usage of the name, the lack of credibility of the source, and the lack of usage in actual Dragon Ball media should be enough to prove it doesn't belong.  Stitchking1 (talk) 01:40, April 24, 2016 (UTC)
I've seen it in a Super episode title. Is there some reason we're discussing this here rather than the Super Saiyan article talk page? After all it's the community that needs to be convinced, not a single editor like myself. You may find support from others there. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 02:52, April 25, 2016 (UTC)

Vandal Wars III: Revenge of the Troll

Hey, there's another vandal. He's been "warned" by Goku20 already, but I thought it would be a good idea to show you anyway. -- Final ChidoriTalk 02:53, April 25, 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll take a look. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 03:02, April 25, 2016 (UTC)

Edit Warring

User:BeyonderGodOmnipotent is repeatedly undoing my edits, removing thinhs that're not trivia. Please look at his contributions to see if what he's adding is trivial. I don't think it is. Besides that, he's edit warring. Plus he made a category without notifying an admin and it's not even a good category to have SSGKakarotto (talk) 14:05, April 25, 2016 (UTC)

  1. Nope you repeatedly undid my edits without refuting them.
  2. Never removed anything just added try again.
  3. Editing Warring=Your constant misinformation
  4. You still haven't shown me the rules where i requested where its against the rules.
  5. Trivia: details, considerations, or pieces of information of little importance or value.

My edits on the trivia are valid don't be salty. Beyonder (talk) 14:09, April 25, 2016 (UTC)BeyonderGodOmnipotent

Directly from the Manual of Style "Trivia should be accurate, interesting, not fundamental to the body of the article, and preferably little known. Character comparisons should be avoided." SSGKakarotto (talk) 14:11, April 25, 2016 (UTC)

Again you just proved my points lol thanks for admitting my edits are valid. 14:14, April 25, 2016 (UTC)BeyonderGodOmnipotent

10X, the issue has been resolved by Neffyarious. SSGKakarotto (talk) 19:10, April 25, 2016 (UTC)

Sounds good, Neffyarious will do a good job helping you guys resolve the issue. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 00:56, April 27, 2016 (UTC)

Page Bug

Hi 10X! do you know why this kinds of bugs happens? {{SUBST:Usuario:YonedgeHp/Firma}} 22:41, April 29, 2016 (UTC)

Looks like you deleted all content on the page, then restored it. No, I don't know why you made that edit. Could have been a keyboard slip-up on your end, or a strange glitch from the site. Hard to say which. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 03:41, April 30, 2016 (UTC)

Gibberish user's page

Hi 10X! Sorry if annoying, but adding this kind of profanity over an admin is allowed? The user has been blocked so many times for bad behavior and he add this to his user's page. It could be withdrawn? Yone!米津愛主! You want to join my army? Golden Frieza artVisit my talk page! Pana mío!

Ahh, Versus. Guess he still hasn't changed haha. I wouldn't exactly call this profane, and if 10X blocks him Versus wins in a way... -- Final ChidoriTalk 01:00, May 4, 2016 (UTC)

How? it is allowed to do such thing on a user's page? Yone!米津愛主! You want to join my army? Golden Frieza artVisit my talk page! Pana mío!

I deleted the remark and left him a note. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 23:08, May 4, 2016 (UTC)

Yep, he is still re-adding the attack on his page, and he is removing your warnings in his talk page, saying in the edition's resume that your warnings are trash and idiotic

Yone!米津愛主! You want to join my army? Golden Frieza artVisit my talk page! Pana mío!

Thanks for the note. Re-adding his attack, plus making two more and saying he doesn't intend to follow the community's rules means I needed to block him. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 03:05, May 8, 2016 (UTC)

Alternate names

I think we should not include dub names for any other version of Dragon Ball but the english version and Japanese SSGKakarotto (talk) 20:02, May 4, 2016 (UTC)

I think the same, for other dub names there is DB Wikis in other languages, Maestro Grulla is an Spanish name and therefore it needs to be remain on the Spanish Wiki (the Wiki where i am from), this is a English Wiki and this need to be with official English versions names, Thus the template not be overloaded. Greetings!

Yone!米津愛主! You want to join my army? Golden Frieza artVisit my talk page! Pana mío!

Yeah, the wiki is getting overloaded with information on alternate names (and other information) from other dubs, that have no connection to the English dub SSGKakarotto (talk) 20:30, May 4, 2016 (UTC)

I don't agree because a wikis job is to inform people and heck maybe not everyone on here can read, speak, or write the other languages, so we need to inform those people of those names, also I think this discussion would have been better for the MoS talk page.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  20:42,5/4/2016 
Well said Goku20, I agree on both his opinion and that this discussion is better suited for the MoS talk page, where it will get more exposure and more people can weigh in. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 23:10, May 4, 2016 (UTC)

There's a section "Alternate and VA" on the manual of style talk page SSGKakarotto (talk) 02:29, May 8, 2016 (UTC)


Merthlock vandalized Goku's page SSGKakarotto (talk) 02:10, May 5, 2016 (UTC)

Merthlock's been globally blocked. -- Final ChidoriTalk 21:42, May 5, 2016 (UTC)
Dang SSGKakarotto (talk) 22:19, May 5, 2016 (UTC)


Kwismean is vandalizing pages SSGKakarotto (talk) 19:57, May 5, 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, I left him a note. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 03:29, May 8, 2016 (UTC)

funny thing

You know the funny thing is that I made that text in November and you noticed just now, ASSJ R GThe Ultra ThunderSSGTransfo4Edit Countcontribs 03:24, May 7, 2016 (UTC)

Wow well I can tell you why it took him so long because unlike some admins on other wikis he doesn't check every user page after the user edits it.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  06:09,5/7/2016 

Calm down RG, no point in holding grudges so long. 10X is pretty cool if you're not telling him to shove things up his ass, you know. -- Final ChidoriTalk 13:29, May 7, 2016 (UTC)

O.o damn son he needs some milk. --Mel/Miri/Bunny/idk

I replied on your talk page Versus Zero. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 03:31, May 8, 2016 (UTC)


I don't know if it is vandalism but the user Zarama is vandalized Akira Toriyama and I saw him do things to other pages. He is also changing the name of Zalama to Zarama. Zalama is the name not Zarama SSGKakarotto (talk) 19:29, May 7, 2016 (UTC)

I agree, the Japanese people can't pronounce properly the letter L so the Japanese R in much cases it's translated as a L:  The people needs to accept it's Zalama.

Yone!米津愛主! You want to join my army? Golden Frieza artVisit my talk page! Pana mío!

I started a discussion on the article talk page, and I left the user a note on his talk page inviting him to participate in the discussion. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 03:38, May 8, 2016 (UTC)


On the forums, the user, Frost ZCR is adding threads for subs from various anime on other websites on the General Forum SSGKakarotto (talk) 19:31, May 7, 2016 (UTC)

Looks like he's been globally blocked across the Wikia network. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 03:39, May 8, 2016 (UTC)


Hopefully this doesn't sound sarcastic, but nice job finding Meshack's sock. I actually found out the same way using the account creation and the sudden burst in activity when his main account was banned. 

I do apologize for not reporting him, especially since it's a bit obvious I figured out early on. For a moment I was considering reporting him, but it just felt a bit wrong for some reason and I ended up going with my gut. I frankly didn't think he deserved such a lengthy ban and I knew that he was a pretty helpful contributer, so I thought I would just let it slide unless he got very out of line. Ignoring my feelings on the situation, though, it was wrong of me not to notify an administrator and it was also wrong of me to allow someone to break one of the major rules. Either way, I apologize. -- Final ChidoriTalk 03:42, May 8, 2016 (UTC)

You did what you thought was right, and I don't blame you for that. I usually don't go out of my way to peg people for questionable activity on their own userspace, or profanity on their own or a buddy's talk page. On the other hand, when a user comes to me and says they've been attacked or something on a user page has offended them, I spring into action. My point is, there's something to be said for not throwing around blocks for actions that are victimless and don't hurt the articles. Your gut said he was helpful and it wasn't hurting anyone, so you didn't feel the need to elevate the problem to me, and I completely understand. I felt differently, as Meshack systematically cheated his way out of 3 blocks, and that paired with the 3 other actions that led to those blocks leads my gut to say he needs some time off to consider what he's done and why it's not right. No worries Final Chidori. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 03:56, May 8, 2016 (UTC)
Awesome, thanks for helping me clear my conscience haha. It's also nice to hear we think similarly about victimless actions like swearing on a friend's talk page. -- Final ChidoriTalk 04:03, May 8, 2016 (UTC)


I thought I would make it easier in changing the titles on the DBS Saga pages, They're not supposed to read Kai but Super. --IAmMaxB (talk) 21:43, May 8, 2016 (UTC)

You were on the right track wanting to fix that, but you broke the Super infobox icons on the character articles. I've balanced both to work at once. In the future, try and check in with an admin to make sure what you're doing won't affect something else. Article edits are easily fixed, but the templates often change hundreds or thousands of articles all at once. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 00:29, May 11, 2016 (UTC)

Some things

It has been brought to my attention that on the Manual of Style that is made to seem like we should include movies into the main biography section, when we have always separate them on pages into "Biography" and "Film appearances" sections. You don't mind if I fix the manual of style so that this will no longer cause confusion?--Neffyarious (talk) 11:58, May 9, 2016 (UTC)

  • Also, do you think we should update the infobox images of character's to their modern appearances? (like have Goku's picture be in his outfit from Resurrection F and Dragon Ball Super instead of his old Namek Saga appearance)--Neffyarious (talk) 12:03, May 9, 2016 (UTC)
Cleaning up the Manual of Style to match what we do is a good idea as long as it's not controversial. When discussion is required, discussion should come before the MoS change. The obvious exception here is Super, where the movies are the primary source for the first two sagas. If we separate the movies just because they're movies, it's a thin line before it becomes arbitrary bias for one type of media over another. Every other movie is its own story. One treatment for the Super movies in a Films section may be to start with, "the events are the same as in the ___ and ___ sagas, with the exceptions noted herein." Do what you think is best on a few articles and let's see how the community responds. If people find it easier to follow and it doesn't require drastic article rewrites/redundancy, we can update the MoS.
The infoboxes are something I've always felt require only loose guidance. They should be the best image of the character we have, with preference on full body and base form (with a couple notable exceptions). If there is a Super image of Goku that's full body and superior animation quality to DBZ, it would improve the article. If it's a worse image than what we have from Kai, it doesn't make sense to force it. We'll have to go case-by-case for characters who have major appearance changes in Super, such as a new costume. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 23:45, May 10, 2016 (UTC)

Ok. My primary reasoning for why we should update the infobox images is because the modern Dragon Ball series will be attracting new fans, and they will be more familiar with the new designs - and old fans of the series who still keep up with it will also be familiar with the designs. So it would be a win-win to update them if we can.--Neffyarious (talk) 03:37, May 11, 2016 (UTC)

As long as the quality of the image doesn't take a downgrade, your logic is sound. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 01:00, May 13, 2016 (UTC)

Evil Goku Official

Hey 10X Kamehameha so Evil Goku called name is Goku Black who is appear Dragon Ball Super. Evil Goku BabyKratosxZeus (talk) 19:25, May 9, 2016 (UTC)

Neat, thanks for the heads up. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 23:47, May 10, 2016 (UTC)

Broken Saga Infoboxes

Hey, I've noticed that all the DB Super saga infoboxes are all broken. They all display the wrong series name, saying "Dragon Ball Kai" instead of "Dragon Ball Super" (example). I'm think the the series switch template may be broken due to a user adding Kai in a few days ago. Since it's been protected, I can't really do my usual guess and check method when dealing with wikia coding, so could you take a look please? Thank you. -- Final ChidoriTalk 22:12, May 10, 2016 (UTC)

He was actually fixing it, but in doing so he broke something else. This is related to a shortcut we did a while back in the article infoboxes related to Kai. I took a pass through the related templates and I've balanced everything to work at once. Looks like the saga infobox could still use some work, if you're looking for something to do. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 00:27, May 11, 2016 (UTC)
Gladly, I've been meaning to work on some templates lately. Should I change them appearence-wise, or is something still functionally wrong with them? They seem to be working correctly right now. -- Final ChidoriTalk 03:03, May 12, 2016 (UTC)
The Super infoboxes weren't showing the episodes correctly, then IAmMaxB fixed it but he broke the character infobox Super icons. I fixed both at once today. We all need to be careful about changing templates that are used by other templates. Everything has to be updated together. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 01:35, May 13, 2016 (UTC)

Oh, I see what he did. At least they're all working now, I've checked the saga infobox itself and the links/title are all fine again. I do think the template itself needs a change in appearance, though, it's a bit bland with no pictures or anything. -- Final ChidoriTalk 02:11, May 13, 2016 (UTC)

Re:The infoboxes

I wanted to make things easier. Kai is just a rehash of the original DBZ, right? --IAmMaxB (talk) 01:22, May 13, 2016 (UTC)

Templates affect other templates. You can't just pull things out because you don't want them there. You need to ask an admin first, then meticulously check the other templates to see what else is affected before you act. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 01:27, May 13, 2016 (UTC)
I saw what you're trying to fix, and I've updated the other affected templates to be compatible with your change. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 01:33, May 13, 2016 (UTC)

Make Dragon Ball Wiki Great Again - Help

Ayyy Mr. President if it gets enough support, can we have a wall built around Dragon Ball Wiki?? Sand bearprayview creations 02:43, May 14, 2016 (UTC)

I'm all for this, but who's paying for the wall? #makedragonballwikigreatagain -- Final ChidoriTalk 03:15, May 14, 2016 (UTC)

Me, anyone got a small loan of a million dollars? --Miri girl

Do the trolls pay for it? -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 21:44, May 15, 2016 (UTC)

Our good fellow Stryzzar was supposed to pay for it, but now he's being stubborn. So I guess we'll have to postpone it :( Sand bearprayview creations 21:47, May 16, 2016 (UTC)

Edit warring

The user "Granman" is edit warring on Pan's infobox image for a couple of days now.Bargeta (talk) 18:18, May 15, 2016 (UTC)

I left him a message a while ago, hopefully he'll stop. -- Final ChidoriTalk 18:20, May 15, 2016 (UTC)
Thanks Final Chidori. I don't even understand what that guy is asking. He says "ook, you're more than welcome to look for a full body version of the image if you really wanna do it by the book" but the current image is full body. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 21:52, May 15, 2016 (UTC)

New Budokai Tenkaichi

So this game announced May 17, 2016 for Dragon Ball: Raging Blast 3 and Dragon Ball Z: Budokai Tenkaichi 4 for Spike Chunsoft for first time. BabyKratosxZeus (talk) 14:18, May 17, 2016 (UTC)

What are you even saying?  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  14:39,5/17/2016 


Since we have confirmation of Xenoverse 2 and the Trailer showed some characters would it be a good idea to go ahead and add those characters to the page I made for Xenoverse?  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  14:43,5/17/2016 

I'm not sure what page you made, but official info should be added to the site as usual. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 01:12, May 18, 2016 (UTC)

I meant Dragon Ball: Xenoverse 2 for the page I created.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  01:14,5/18/2016 

Got it. I added a note about the characters seen but not appearing. "Unknown characters" was a little vague. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 02:21, May 18, 2016 (UTC)

Ok thanks.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  07:09,5/18/2016 

I accidentally some things

Have you noticed my signature is actually my userpage? Well yeah, I got my signature tucked in there. Thing is, I decided to blank my profile and replace it with humorous dogs and cats (not my idea by the way, I have to give credit to that Aubinara (I can't remember his name) guy). I was bored with it. Well anyway, I did, then remembered that my userpage is my signature. No problem, just revert the edit, right? Well, uh, the dog and cat pictures are in the way. I can't select the "History" drop-down option from the Edit button to undo the edit with them in front of it D: Sand bear (talk) 21:15, May 18, 2016 (UTC)

I fixed the problem and Sand all you had to do was go to your contributions and on your last edit to your user page select history and then undo, but I took care of the problem for you.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  00:33,5/20/2016 
Ah yes, what Goku20 said. He and fellow good samaritans IAmMaxB and Sandubadear helped resolve this. Whew, problem solved. Sand bearprayview creations

01:30, May 20, 2016 (UTC)

Excellent, I'm glad things worked out. For the future, I'd recommend making a separate page for your signature. I have a tutorial at the top of this talk page with instructions if you're interested. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 03:04, May 20, 2016 (UTC)

What I emailed you about

If I am right that what I emailed you about being vandalism it was done to my user page I can not remember the users name so just check the page's history.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  02:56,5/20/2016 

Yes, it is vandalism and a personal attack, I'll check it out. I replied to your email, but at that time it wasn't clear that you meant they edited your user page. I thought they wrote that in their own userspace. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 03:09, May 20, 2016 (UTC)

I feel that I went a little out of line and was harassment-y with Goku20 as well so I left a warning from you to me telling me to obey the rules since you seem busy and can't keep an eye on every trouble-maker on the Wiki. Sand bearprayview creations 19:26, May 20, 2016 (UTC)

How thoughtful. -- Final ChidoriTalk 19:35, May 20, 2016 (UTC)
I'm 90% sure they was talking about someone else, but it was cool to see your warn yourself about it I guess. Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 20:22, May 20, 2016 (UTC)
Wut?Sand bearprayview creations 02:59, May 21, 2016 (UTC)
Feel free to write yourself notes, but don't fake other users' signatures. The email wasn't about you. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 03:07, May 22, 2016 (UTC)
Ok :( Oh and I knew that it was another guy that was the one that added something to Goku's page about being 10, that's why I said I was harrasment-y "as well." Sand bearprayview creations 14:01, May 23, 2016 (UTC)

Monaka Saga

Need some input on the talk page about this unofficial saga. This saga doesn't even exist. Can't even find a source that this saga exists. This saga isn't even mention on this wiki (don't really know if this counts as proof or for this wiki). These episodes seem to just be apart of the Universe 6 Saga. It seems similar to the last episodes of the Piccolo Jr. Saga in Dragon Ball also. Nikon23 05:37, May 24, 2016 (UTC)

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