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An edit war

1Risingdracyan1 was edit warring and I had let him/her know about the site policy and after that and then used the talk page and then made the edit again.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  01:09,5/30/2016 

Hey, I'm a little confused on your phrasing there. Are you saying that Dracyan made the edit after using the talk page? It seems like he tried sorting things out with you on your own talk page, maybe he thought he was in the clear afterwards. -- Final ChidoriTalk 01:51, May 30, 2016 (UTC)
He/she (since I really don't pay attention and don't care what gender their user page says they are) made the edit then I disputed it then they remade it then I undone that edit and messaged them about site policy then they got back on and remade the edit again then used the article talk page I undone the edit again then they remade it and so on. Bottom line is that he/she failed to follow site policy and the first message on my talk page from the user was after the second edit and the last message was after the last edit.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  02:07,5/30/2016 
That just confused me a bit more. Did Dracyan make or undo the same edit over three times in 24 hours before leaving a message on your talk page? -- Final ChidoriTalk 02:23, May 30, 2016 (UTC)

I left my comment on the article talk page. This seems pretty clear. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 16:57, May 30, 2016 (UTC)

Users to block.

Can you block this guy . he's created this . also this guy's been advertising . 0551E80Y (talk) 11:52, June 3, 2016 (UTC)

Both users have been globally blocked across all Wikia sites. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 03:10, June 4, 2016 (UTC)

Idea, Follow Up and Question

A few months ago, there was a discussion with Meshack about making separate sections for Dragon Ball Super and the movies. I suggested on making a section in the Battle of Gods and Resurrection F, but after going through some wikis I was thinking of doing something similar to this: Anime-Manga Differences. This way all the differences will be in one section instead of multiple pages.
Also I noticed that we have multiple images of the same poster and/or scene, should we keep the best one while deleting the duplicates and avoiding cluster or it doesn't matter. The Rush (talk) 17:11, June 6, 2016 (UTC)

Having an article like that seems like an interesting idea, but not a replacement for having the info in articles as well. It makes me wonder what is the benefit of having the same info in 2 places? Deleting duplicate images in an article and only leaving the best is always good. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 22:59, June 6, 2016 (UTC)
How about we do both? We can do a short section in the Battle of Gods and Resurrection F pages while also leaving a main article link. This way if fans want to check out more differences, they can go to the "main page" and read all the difference between Dragon Ball (Z & Super) and their anime counterparts.
Awesome. I mark a few images with Candidates for Deletion since 1) We have a higher quality one or 2) We have the same pic multiple times. It's kind of difficult since many users just add pics without placing them in their respective galleries or checking if do have them. If we have a pic in a gallery and someone adds the same pic (with a different name) to an article, which one should we keep and which one should we delete? The Rush (talk) 00:05, June 7, 2016 (UTC)

Removing images from articles is different than deleting them. If they should be removed from the article, edit the article and delete the image link. There is generally no need to delete the file itself. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 01:28, June 9, 2016 (UTC)


There's a person making spam/advertisement pages, I'm pretty sure it's an sock of the previous two accounts that advertised, they're all uploading the same image. IP ban, maybe? -- Final ChidoriTalk 22:25, June 6, 2016 (UTC)

Got 'em, thanks. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 23:03, June 6, 2016 (UTC)

Monaka Saga doesn't exist!

you're rude comment on the monaka saga talk page. was uncalled for and you call your self a administrator. you're source for your made up saga, that never existed in the first place! [1] Nikon23 02:15, June 7, 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia isn't a source, and still. Those episodes do not relate to Universe 6 Saga in nothing so the made up term is justified {{SUBST:Usuario:YonedgeHp/Firma}} 20:12, June 7, 2016 (UTC)

Easy there, Nikon, I don't think 10X meant to offend you. Let's just focus on the actual subject, there's no need to start arguments over an issue that's pretty trivial in the grand scheme of the wiki. I personally don't like adding "fake"/unofficial sagas, but I'm satisfied with a notice on the top of the page explaining that it's not an official saga. -- Final ChidoriTalk 20:18, June 7, 2016 (UTC)
First off, this discussion is already taking place on the article talk page and need not be replicated here. Second, there is no official definition for the saga breakdown yet, so either way we decide is only temporary until we get the official info. Third, when I pointed this out to you Nikon23, your response what not to produce an official source but rather "you're spreading false information. It doesn't exist. It's not a real saga. This us beyond ridiculous and laughable. You can't really take anything as valid information from this wiki anymore". Oh, there's no official stance for this particular naming convention so you say this entire wiki is invalid? I called your response (not you as a person) extreme and ill-formed, and that's true. It's not rude, it's the appropriate response to such an extreme reply that ignores my call for encyclopedic content. All saga names are unofficial until they are defined officially. We can either pretend there are no sagas at all yet, or do our best to sort things out until something official is released. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 01:38, June 9, 2016 (UTC)

Picture and quote changes.

I think some of the pictures are misplaced for some of the transformation pages. Mind if I add some pictures that would be better replacements? Also, I think we shouldn't use quotes from DBKAI. I think much of the dialogue is kind of lame and unoriginal. If you want, I can replace it sometime. Note me what your opinion is on the subject.Rogeta234 (talk) 19:02, June 10, 2016 (UTC)

Isn't Kai's dialogue more accurately translated and more faithful to the original? -- Final ChidoriTalk 20:53, June 10, 2016 (UTC)
All versions are original and accurate in their own way. Ocean, FUNimation and Kai all are valid and original versions. Kai is just more close to the manga. Doesn't mean the other versions are incorrect or wrong. Pretty sure the quotes on the main-page are switched up no matter the dub. Not favoring a specific dub as far as I know. --Ripto 00:34, June 11, 2016 (UTC)
In their own way, yes, but I meant accurate in regards to the original continuity, if that makes sense. Some dubs take too many liberties and change things up leaving plotholes. I remember one dub saying that Bardock was a "brilliant scientist" out of nowhere, that wouldn't exactly be a good thing to quote. -- Final ChidoriTalk 01:49, June 11, 2016 (UTC)

In most cases, if you find a better pic or quote then you should change it as you please. If someone thinks you made a bad edit, they will undo it and you can discuss together which is best. For quotes, no source is better automatically. We should be choosing quotes that show the character's personality well, make some sense out of context as a stand-alone statement, and are interesting. Dubs often do a better job of translating the emotions and meaning of a scene than a literal word-for-word translation such as a fan-sub. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 03:37, June 12, 2016 (UTC)


A user renamed Goku Black to Black without a consensus being reached and he accidently messed a few things up by creating some extra pages. He's a new user, so I'm sure it wasn't intentional.

Anyways, I've tried to fix things up as much as I could, but could you please delete Dragon Ball Wiki:Black and its talk page? Also, can you rename the page back to "Goku Black" until a consensus is reached? I've tried doing that myself, but the page already exists and it's not giving me the permission to (I'd rather avoid copy-pasting the whole thing and losing the history of the page). Thank you.


Alright, I've tried fixing it a little bit more to make it less confusing. I moved the real page (with all it's history) to this template page. I've moved the real talk page to to this other template page. The page Dragon Ball Wiki:Black should be deleted along with its talk page, Dragon Ball Wiki Talk:Black. The page Black was used as a disambiguation page, so it shouldn't be deleted though it should be restored after this is all over. The page Template:Goku Black Temp 2 should be renamed to Goku Black and the page Template:Goku Black Temporary should be renamed to Talk:Goku Black, then I'll try to fix all the broken/double redirects afterwards. Then, the template pages should be deleted. My apologies if I made everything a bit more confusing, but I'm trying not to lose the history of the page. Thanks again! -- Final ChidoriTalk 13:51, June 12, 2016 (UTC)

Should be all set now. Things like that happen from time to time, but the history can never be permanently deleted. Even when an article gets deleted and overwritten, the original history can be recovered. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 13:17, June 14, 2016 (UTC)
Great job! I wasn't too sure about the history getting recovered, so I thought I'd take the safe route. Anyways, thank you. -- Final ChidoriTalk 14:26, June 14, 2016 (UTC)


This may seem a little petty, but I'm wondering if the wiki has any rules regarding whether or not to spell out numbers or just use numerals, since I'm seeing them mixed around in articles. I couldn't find anything about it in the manual of style, maybe we should add a general rule for it?

Also, this is a little unrelated, but I'd like to know your opinion on this. Thank you! -- Final ChidoriTalk 23:24, June 17, 2016 (UTC)

I replied. Our policy is to use American English grammar. The numbers in a sentence should either all be written out, or all numerical, never mixed. The first number in the sentence determines how they should all be formatted. A number that starts a sentence should be written out (so avoid starting sentences with big numbers). If no other rule applied yet, then numbers less than 10 should be written out, while 10 or greater should be numerical. Some examples:
  • Fifty Saiyans battle ten humans.
  • Those 50 Saiyans defeat 5 humans.
  • Vegeta is eight times stronger than forty-five Space ducks.
  • Forty-three thousand seven hundred eighty-three stars exist in the universe. There are 43,783 stars in the universe.

-- SSJ4 Goku(2) 04:13, June 18, 2016 (UTC)

Great, thanks for the clarification! -- Final ChidoriTalk 20:50, June 20, 2016 (UTC)

Yet another vandal

Here's another one. Him blanking a whole page may have just been a wikia glitch, but his edit summary implies otherwise. -- Final ChidoriTalk 20:50, June 20, 2016 (UTC)

I left him a warning since it was his first edit ever. Feel free to do the same if you see that in the future. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 01:28, June 22, 2016 (UTC)

Dragon Ball Z Kai Majin Buu Saga English Dubbed

Oh 10X I have question, will have Dragon Ball Z Kai Majin Buu Saga English Dub that will go on Nicktoons will the Sean Schemmel accepted look: BabyKratosxZeus (talk) 20:51, June 21, 2016 (UTC)

Cool! Good find. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 01:30, June 22, 2016 (UTC)

internet police halp

Stryzzy is swearing with bad bad words Sand bearprayview creations

I had asterixes in, and this troll has been harrassing me endlessly, check the context on what that edit was made under. You be the judge of who's in the wrong 10x Kamehameha. Stryzzar (talk) 00:15, June 24, 2016 (UTC)

I say you both are because you said the f word and now called Sand bear a troll and him for making the edit to your page.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  00:20,6/24/2016 

People have used asterix swear words all over the wiki. And he's been doing this to me since the very first comment directed at me, where he called me "a s**t lord". I'm sick to death of him and he just won't leave me alone. Stryzzar (talk) 00:22, June 24, 2016 (UTC)

I concur with Goku420. We both broke the rules and deserve disciplinary actions for getting out of line. Do your thing, Tenny! Sand bearprayview creations 00:27, June 24, 2016 (UTC)

lol at the guy playing mod. Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 00:29, June 24, 2016 (UTC)
lol at the guy impersonating my username. Sand bearprayview creations 00:38, June 24, 2016 (UTC)

So I'm supposed to just sit there and take your crap? You started this and you kept adding fuel to the fire. And for the last time, that word was censored. 00:31, June 24, 2016 (UTC)

i like pickles --bunnyyyy

>"take your crap"
As seen with the language used on your talk page, this is 100% good fun. But you seem to have been born without the ability to comprehend fun ;'( Sand bearprayview creations 00:38, June 24, 2016 (UTC)

And you can't comprehend I despise your existence and want your miserable self to leave me alone! Stryzzar (talk) 00:52, June 24, 2016 (UTC)

Stryzzar, all you're doing is feeding the troll Trump. At this rate, you'll build the wall for him. -- Final ChidoriTalk 00:56, June 24, 2016 (UTC)

>On a site with a primary focus on social activity (donn argue, Staff keep forcing social crap onto everyone in some attempt to make Wikia less encyclopedia-y!!!)
>Wants to be left alone
This doesn't work. Sand bearprayview creations 01:01, June 24, 2016 (UTC)

Well if he's gonna report me for something he started I'll at least see it through to the end. Stryzzar (talk) 01:11, June 24, 2016 (UTC)

"I'll at least see it through to the end" not if some1 prank calls immigration services and reports u as an illegal immigrant and gets you deported ;)) *wink wink* Sand bearprayview creations 01:20, June 24, 2016 (UTC)

English does not proficient, apologies many, i am russia

Bad world do isn't say.

If say bad world, admin is ban.

good bye

Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 01:54, June 24, 2016 (UTC)

Sweet Lord Gaben people, all I wanted to do was notify 10X of a little going-on, and now we've added enough content to start a short book to his talk page. @ (at) 10X, please make sure to strongly consider banning Sandubadear for a very long and harsh amount of time for filling this once-beautiful conversation with crap like his message above.

Oh and by the way, I've noticed something else 10X. I disappear for a month, and a mere hour after I've been back, I've managed to stir up SO much trouble and discontent. This is one bad apple that you would probably be better off banning. If you ask Stryzzy I'm sure he'll back me up Sand bearprayview creations 02:17, June 24, 2016 (UTC)

I not ban. Not say bad world mean not ban. Here bad world that might say: Dragon Ball Wiki:Rules/Profanity. Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 02:36, June 24, 2016 (UTC)

I am going to ignore the real troll (read:Sandubadear) now and instead focus fully on the matters at hand. Anyway, Stryzzy has since vandalized my old userpage, called me an idiot, and spammed four no-good edits in a row on Neffy's talk page after an initial edit. However, after very very carefully examining the Rules page (and other related guidelines) here I have found that I have been in the wrong the whole time and would like to rescind all the reports I made about Stryzzy. As it turns out, I seem to have instigated all of his actions (LOL who would have guessed), meaning he's technically (and by the Rules & Guidelines) not done anything wrong. Now if he started shouting 'the F word' without my help, I suppose some action might be merited, but as it stands he's a good boy who hasn't done anything rule-breaking to my knowledge. Maybe a touch rude, but still within bounds. Anywho I am a very nice person (except when I'm trolling Stryzzy) so I felt the need to explain that all to you.

By the way, you should considering unblocking Raging gohan/Versus Zero since he's 1) a really experienced veteran user and 2) you pretty much taunted him into breaking the rules like I have tried doing with Stryzzy. All of this trolling Stryzzy reminded me of RG/VZ. Funny that. Keep that in mind plox. Thank you. Sand bearprayview creations 03:21, June 24, 2016 (UTC)

The history edit history you (Sand bear) vandalized your own page, before you tried to frame me for that. I undid the last edit on the old page to try and get rid of the Trump images that you were accusing me of, before I realized it was a redirect.

10x Kamehameha, I apologize for the several edits on Neffyarious's page, I was editing on my phone and kept making errors. Stryzzar (talk) 03:30, June 24, 2016 (UTC)

Well isn't this a mess. C'mon guy, I'm sure Mr.10x's inbox is blown up like my ex's phone. So maybe y'all should stop.  Tailsman67 Talk | Contribs | Edit Count )   04:37, June 24, 2016 (UTC)

LMAO. I think Versus Zero is global block btw so it wouldn't even matter. Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 07:13, June 24, 2016 (UTC)

Sand Bear appears to have been globally blocked by Wikia. Careful about the profanity all. Allowing some profanity does not make you immune to the rule against insulting others. "Oh shit, I messed up the template!" is okay, while "you're an ass hole" is not. Censoring the profanity doesn't help, since we all still know exactly what you mean. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 22:44, June 24, 2016 (UTC)

Okay I'm sorry, I'll refrain from insults in the future. Also, the global block is temporary so he might be back. Stryzzar (talk) 02:25, June 25, 2016 (UTC)

Saga Nav Box Template

Hate to fill your plate with even more stuff to do, but would you mind telling me your thoughts on this nav box template I created? Another user pointed out that only the Super sagas use the new nav boxes, so I created this to make it easier to convert all the other sagas into the new format. This is what it looks like when used on a DB saga, for example. Can you approve/disapprove of it before I make it into an actual template page? Also, what are your opinions on the colors? I'm thinking about making it light orange to match the wiki scheme. Thanks (anyone else reading this is free to add their opinion as well, I want to know what everyone thinks of it). -- Final ChidoriTalk 16:23, June 24, 2016 (UTC)

Looks awesome, you're quite the editor : ) -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 22:57, June 24, 2016 (UTC)

Glad you like it, thanks for the compliment haha. I've changed the color to match our signature wiki orange and made it into an actual template page. Thanks again for approving it. -- Final ChidoriTalk 01:49, June 25, 2016 (UTC)


Hi there 10X, I was contacted by the blocked user Meshack about his ban and he wishes to discuss having it shortened with you. I know that he is deserving of the ban due to his several blocks and uses of sockpuppets, but he is a good editor of this wiki and I believe that being perma-banned has made him understand that actions like these will not be taken lightly. I think that he may deserve one last chance and that we should shorten the block he currently has to a few months, and when he gets back to editing if he messes up again then he will be permanently blocked again with no exceptions. It is entirely up to you though.--Neffyarious (talk) 18:34, June 24, 2016 (UTC)

He has been consistently messaging me on another Wiki as well as emailing me since several blocks ago. He has been asking me to get unblocked weekly. I actually did unblock him in April at his request, but I had to block him again for edit warring a week later (the same edit 7 times in 6 hours). He was blocked twice more in May, for a total of 6 blocks, which includes one from you last year. What makes it worse is that he was using sock puppets to continue editing throughout all of his blocks, so he has never really lost his editing privileges in the past. He hasn't even really lost editing privileges for the time he was blocked prior to the indefinite one. To be honest, him asking to be unblocked constantly, and now to multiple admins, tells me he doesn't understand why the rules exist or the purpose of a block. He needs a couple months off at a minimum to contemplate what having editing rights is worth. I don't believe he's capable of following the rules without having the time off. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 22:56, June 24, 2016 (UTC)

I certainly agree that he requires a lengthy block, I'm just saying that I don't think we need to infinite block him for his behavior (yet). How many months do you think we should have him blocked for?--Neffyarious (talk) 23:00, June 24, 2016 (UTC)

The only reason he wants it shortened is because his sock puppet accounts keep getting caught. This is a user that only cares about themselves and has no respect for others. He was editing under the account of User:100x Big Bang Kamehameha and would still be editing under it to this day if he wasn't caught with it. For someone that says "they deserve a block" they sure cannot help but evade it all the time. If he didn't evade recently with 100k Big Bang Kamehameha then yeah, I can see a shorter block happening but he disrespected the rules yet again and that should be taken into account. --Ripto 06:59, June 25, 2016 (UTC)
The way he's been talking, he acts like he's got nothing else in life besides this place. If he does come back  he will try to stop anyone else from adding info to articles. he hogs it all to himself.  0551E80Y (talk) 13:58, June 25, 2016 (UTC)
He deserves at least 3 months, because that's the total time he used sock puppets to get around previous blocks. So 3 months plus whatever he deserves for the sock puppeting infractions themselves. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 05:32, June 27, 2016 (UTC)
He messaged me on his wiki. So i told him there are other wikis about dragon ball out there that he can join in the meantime.0551E80Y (talk) 05:39, June 27, 2016 (UTC)

So 3 months, plus the block time for the infringements - which was set to around 1-2 months, so he should be blocked for around 4-5 months then?--Neffyarious (talk) 11:17, June 27, 2016 (UTC)

5 months seems generous for repeat infractions but it's a good start to set for. I'm a little confused why you're trying to appeal their block Neffyarious considering how much harm/edit wars and disrespect they brought to the wiki. --Ripto 14:31, June 27, 2016 (UTC)
I think it is too soon to consider shortening his block, considering he continued breaking rules the last time we shortened his block. He was given so many chances already. The block should be left indefinite for the 3 months and then we can consider if it needs to be longer. It he keeps asking to be unblocked and interacting with everyone the whole time, it's not really the time away from the site he needs. Shortening it so soon would be too lenient. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 00:22, June 28, 2016 (UTC)

The reason I'm trying to appeal the block is because I understand Meshack as an editor, yes he has caused many problems in the past and been disrespectful, but he does not do it for malicious reasons, it's all because he wishes to make this wiki as good as it can be: he is definitely a good editor when it comes to editing content. Yes, he has caused issues and must be punished for that, but I don't think he's deserving of an infinite block, I'd say he deserves one more chance and I don't think he'll mess it up - he enjoys editing here and the threat of being banned completely has probably made him rethink his actions, and anyway even if he does come back and it turns out he has not changed then we can just ban him completely, and if that happens then he won't get back in. I do however agree with you 10X that we can leave it as infinite for three months and then adjust it as we see fit after that.--Neffyarious (talk) 10:45, June 28, 2016 (UTC)

Agreed. He wants to make the site better, but he doesn't understand how the rules actually further that goal. Anarchy on the site would quickly degrade the quality of everything. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 23:04, June 30, 2016 (UTC)

New "Community" Page

I'm sure you know about the new "Community" tab wikia is beta testing on us (along with the other top 5K wikis), but I wouldn't be surprised if they hadn't warned any admins prior to adding it. Basically, it's a slightly customizable page displaying the top editors, admins, insights, etc. There's a bland, blank banner on the top that you're able to switch out, and it was slightly bothering me so I made a new one. Ehhh? How does it look? Sadly, I can't change the generic "Help us grow Dragon Ball Wiki!" message. The screenshot there is a bit grainy but the original looks a lot less pixelated. By the way, do you still use the monobook theme? I remember either you or PrinceZarbon mentioning something about that a few years back. -- Final ChidoriTalk 22:34, June 28, 2016 (UTC)

Yep, I prefer Monobook for editing. While "Wikia" skin only lets you use the middle 50% of the screen for editing and fills the outer 50% with bubbly Dragon Balls images, "MonoBook" allows for editing on the entire screen. The waste of space in the "Wikia" skin is very irritating to me and inefficient. These days I do a lot of mobile editing as well, which has its own sort of theme. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 23:08, June 30, 2016 (UTC)
The banner looks very nice. I don't seem to be able to edit the Community page either. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 23:09, June 30, 2016 (UTC)

Monobook is basically the old theme the wiki had a few years back, right? That's pretty cool. Wasn't there an encyclopedia version of this site with that theme?

According to this, you can change the banner by uploading a file to File:Community-Page-Header.jpg. I tried it myself and it worked, so apparently any user is able to change it (I'd actually suggest protecting it to avoid vandalism). I'm guessing it should reset to the blank banner if the page is deleted. -- Final ChidoriTalk 17:17, July 4, 2016 (UTC)

Nice job, that looks great. I'll leave it unprotected for now, since you were able to upgrade the page and protection would have prevented it. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 23:52, July 6, 2016 (UTC)

Movies in a different dimension

Since the DBZ movies are said to take place in a separate dimension from the main one, could we create pages for the characters' counterparts in this dimension like we do for Future timeline characters, e.g. "Goku (different dimension)" for the Goku who appears in the movies. Doing this would make our character pages cleaner and would also allow us to fix some things - like how the Goku of the "main dimension" has never used Pseudo Super Saiyan (but has it listed on his page), while his different dimension counterpart from the movies has used it.--Neffyarious (talk) 22:57, July 2, 2016 (UTC)

No. please don't do that. it's not needed. it's going to cause confusion. there just movies. we have a film appearance section for a reason on these character pages. you jumping the gun again. Nikon23 02:57, July 4, 2016 (UTC)

Neffy you do know that would also go for BoG and RF since they are movies even though they have been made into an anime and manga.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  02:54,7/4/2016 

I mean the movies that are referenced as happening in a different dimension (which is all of them other than the most recent ones), so the first 13. Plus, we don't include BoG and RF in the movie section anymore anyways.--Neffyarious (talk) 10:37, July 4, 2016 (UTC)

I agree with Nikon23, this would cause great confusion. The comment about them taking place in another universe largely has to do with there being more significant than usual inconsistencies with other episodes in those movies. The movie sections are already grouped as such in the articles which should make super-fans looking to keep them separate happy. Casual fans (most fans) will never guess to look for the actions their favorite character did in a movie under an alternate universe article of that character. We'd be making the site a lot harder to use based on what boils down to an obscure quote uttered once and never referenced again.
Rather, we should be strategizing for what we are going to do when all the other universe versions of the characters show up in Super, and possibly even more future/past characters. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 14:38, July 4, 2016 (UTC)
Oh, but we'd still keep the movie section, it's just that the only thing it would say is "Main article: Goku/Films", so people would find it easy and it would cause no confusion. We already do this with some character's techniques and galleries, turn them into sub-pages.--Neffyarious (talk) 16:21, July 4, 2016 (UTC)

I'm personally against it. Super has introduced different universes and reintroduced the different timelines, adding in articles like "Goku (different dimension)" would cause a ton of a confusion. For example, I already see a bunch of people saying Trunks is from Universe 6 (as opposed to U7 from a different timeline), tossing in dimensions there would just worsen the problem. -- Final ChidoriTalk 16:50, July 4, 2016 (UTC)

I'm personally against it. it should stay how it is. no need to insert such things such as Goku/Films and etc. Nikon23 01:20, July 5, 2016 (UTC)

I wouldn't mind if there were tabs that say goku manga/anime and goku films as his article is already really massive which makes it hard to load it in editing mode. if this happens it cut the article into smaller pieces there by making it easier to load in ediing mode. 0551E80Y (talk) 02:40, July 5, 2016 (UTC)
I'm against it too. It would be hiding info to satisfy a purist mentality. We should never make the site worse for the majority to satisfy super-fans like ourselves. Our aim should be to let users quickly find what their looking for. Hiding movie info hurts that goal. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 23:54, July 6, 2016 (UTC)


So you Think Goku Black is Goku from another Universe or something else? —This unsigned comment was made by Shenron230 (talkcontribs) Please sign your posts with ~~~~ next time!.

Please sign your posts. Good question. I don't think so, no. It's someone who wants to kill Saiyans, has probably killed a Kaioshin, and is familiar with Beerus by looking at him. Having some fun speculating, this could be Ginyu, having switched with Goku's body after Goku's peaceful death to the heart disease. When Trunks is preventing Buu from being awoken, Ginyu kills Supreme Kai and takes his jewelry. When Beerus and Whis show up to destroy Earth, Ginyu asked them to spare him and in exchange Ginyu would kill everyone on Earth for them. Without Trunks left as the main obstacle, Ginyu is close to completing his mission. Just my best guesses : ) -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 15:22, July 4, 2016 (UTC)

Legendary Super Saiyan 3:

why was Legendary Super Saiyan 3 removed from the Saiyan Transformation section. this makes the page hard to find. i compleletly forgot about the page for a moment. there was a discussion about merging the page with legendary super saiyan, but majority of everyone were against the merger. Nikon23 02:10, July 5, 2016 (UTC)

You'd have to check the history and ask the person who made the edit you oppose. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 00:00, July 7, 2016 (UTC)

Dark Magic transformation (Demigra):

Was this page really necessary to create? There's a page about the form already created named Villainous Mode. Nikon23 01:35, July 6, 2016 (UTC)

Looks like this is being discussed on the talk page already. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 00:01, July 7, 2016 (UTC)


Hey 10x i added information to the Goten and Trunks pages (I said they MAY be stronger than 18 because in Bio Broly they fought broly while 18's attacks at the start did nothing then Broly one shots her) that Goku20 removed when i tried to talk to him he deleted the conversation on his talk page (there is also some conversation on my page if you want to read it ) before it was done so can I add the edit again or would that be edit warring ? Tyman1102 (talk) 17:45, July 9, 2016 (UTC)

My talk page so I can delete the messages now if you had started it on the article talk page I wouldn't be able to do that. Also saying they may be stronger then 18 is speculation because we don't know how strong they are no matter if Goten and Trunks done damage to Bio-Broly or not. 18 done damage to him also but that doesn't make her or Goten and Trunks stronger then Goku and Vegeta does no it doesn't. What you said would be like me saying that Goten, Trunks and 18 are all stronger then Goku and Vegeta. 18 was stronger then both till after Vegeta, Future Trunks, Goku, and Gohan trained in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber then she became weaker then them. The fact of the matter is it is never stated how strong any of three are compared to each other epically in the movie. Also 10X all he added to the articles since you can look for yourself is that "Trunks or Goten (depending on the Article) may be stronger then Android 18 show when he can hurt Bio Broly but 18 can't." also look at where he put it.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  18:21,7/9/2016 

I didin't say they are stronger than goku or vegeta that has nothing to do with this and thats random. when did 18 hurt broly? she attacks him he dosen't even move then he one shots her for a while later she gets up hits him once and he one shots her again then krillin saves her.Tyman1102 (talk) 18:46, July 9, 2016 (UTC)Tyman1102

You just proved what I was saying, also I was using an example Goku and Vegeta both couldn't do damage to Broly by their selves so saying that Goten and Trunks could (since that is what you was pretty much saying) is saying that they are stronger then their dads which everyone knows to not be true. The time before Krillin saves her is when she does damage to Broly but it doesn't even matter because none of the damage is even shown so we don't know if any of it was really bad enough to last or if any it actually fazed him, the only time out of the whole fight that could be considered damage is when Goten and Trunks both kicked Broly in the stomach (probably as hard as they could).  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  18:54,7/9/2016 

yes they aren't stronger than their fathers now but back then goku and vegeta were weaker than now (the time of the movie not dbs) and 18 damages him one time  because it was a sneak attack when he knew she was attacking he didn't flinch.Tyman1102 (talk) 19:07, July 9, 2016 (UTC)Tyman1102

But still she did damage Broly which makes what you said wrong plus speculation. Still they were still stronger then Goten and Trunks are in Bio-Broly the first time they fought Broly so yea. Now how about this get's dropped and we focus on stuff that matters more then who is stronger.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  19:57,7/9/2016 

sure we can drop it im not trying to annoy anyone. but goku was almost killed when he got shot from a sneak attack same with gohan that may be why broly got hurt in the first place just saiyan.Tyman1102 (talk) 20:11, July 9, 2016 (UTC)Tyman1102

In general, saying someone "may be..." Is not encyclopedic and shouldn't be in an article. Agreed, Saiyans are susceptible to heavy damage from sneak attacks when they are off guard. We've seen this consistently. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 01:30, July 10, 2016 (UTC)

Okay. But Goten and Trunks didn't sneak attack they fought hea on.Tyman1102 (talk) 03:07, July 10, 2016 (UTC)Tyman1102

Edit War:

Bargeta keeps changing the image on Pan 's page, without using the talk page. i reverted the page back to the picture that was previously voted to be changed to, but he keeps changing it back. he was also apart of the previous discussion about the page before Nikon23 12:15, July 12, 2016 (UTC)

He is also edit warring on Supreme Kai of Time's page about the name and I let him know to use the article talk page and everything and well you can see his reply on his talk page. I think he needs to be temp banned if not banned for life.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  19:16,7/13/2016 

10x Kamehameha, do not forget to see the History of Supreme Kai of Time's article. Neffyarious was the first one to change her name and I reverted back. Then Neffyarious changed yet again without use talk page. We all agreed on using an image that Pan is best known of (her GT version). And if we agreed on do that, then we all agree that we must use the best image OR NAME for a character, so "Supreme Kai of Time" is way more known than "Chronoa". Goku20 doesn't know a thing about what happened and here he is where he was not called, I think he must be put in his place because he does not contribute at all here. Bargeta (talk) 19:25, July 13, 2016 (UTC)

No dude if everyone agreed on using a picture of Pan from GT then that is where it ends with that now the MoS does state that "The titles of articles about individual characters should be the name by which the character was most commonly known, with later names preferred to earlier names, and full names preferred to partial names or nicknames. Titles, such as military ranks or titles of nobility, should be omitted. (Vegeta instead of Prince Vegeta.) Exceptions may be made to this rule when a commonly used rank or title is used to distinguish a less prominent character from a major character who shares the same name. For example, King Piccolo, Lord Piccolo or King Vegeta. In such cases, appropriate disambiguation links should be present on all the relevant articles. Titles may also be used when a character is most commonly referred to using that title; for example, Dr. Gero. See naming convention for the preferred sources of names." so therefore Neffy was in the right when he changed Supreme Kai of Time to Chronoa. I think you need to refresh yourself with the MoS because a lot of your problems right now deal with it. Contrary to what you say Bargeta I have made over 4000 edits and everyone of them contribute to this wiki, either by keeping speculation out of articles or whatever. I made Dragon Ball: Xenoverse 2 and added a great deal of the stuff on there plus I have made other edits that contribute, not counting I have dealt with Vandals out the ass, among other stuff just look at my contributions, at all of them not just the ones where I undo other user's edits which most of those are because the screwed something up or added speculation or something. You just like so many before you are just mad that I don't agree with you and have undone your edit.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  19:37,7/13/2016 

You made XV2? Oh, that's cute because you fail to remove a simple fan edited image Doc46 added to Universe article. You failed even to add a kid Bulma's image when she appeared in Dragon Ball Super, stating she was Bra, you don't even know Dragon Ball. You don't undo my edits because everything I post are real and valid information, as I'm not here to joke around adding false information. And don't come with "before me" as I'm here longer than even you. Bargeta (talk) 20:37, July 13, 2016 (UTC)

Clearly you expect one person to do everything here well guess what it can't be done by just one person. Also I have been on here since May 2nd, 2012 you have been on here for barely over a year so back off. No not everything you post is real and valid info. I know more about Dragon Ball then you think, also you have made bad edits. Just wait and let 10X settle this. 10X I think it would be best if you did temp ban him that way he can have some time away and maybe realize that talking to another user like he is and has isn't right especially when that user is trying to help him out. Also I think he might be to young to have an account on here, I draw my suspicion from how he sounds in his messages and how easily he loses control of his temper.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  21:03,7/13/2016 

Bargeta, your reason for changing the Pan image does not make sense. Just because someone disagrees with you somewhere does not undo the consensus of the community everywhere else. The talk page should always be used for resolving conflicts. Edit warring like you've been doing only makes the site chaotic and agitates those users attempting to resolve the conflict with civil discussion. As for the MoS and any given decision, it's the best the community can do to guide article creation. No answer is going to be perfect every time, which is why discussion is sometimes necessary. The goal is to make a site easy for fans of all kinds to use and get their info quickly, and this requires customization. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 04:38, July 14, 2016 (UTC)

So wait, you are going to let "Chronoa" in Supreme Kai of Time's article even though "nobody" knows her by such name? Bargeta (talk) 14:34, July 14, 2016 (UTC)

I'll go check the talk page and leave my thoughts. Regardless of my opinion, you should be following site rules, which means talk it out rather than edit warring. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 22:45, July 15, 2016 (UTC)
I just read the talk page, and those who posted came to a consensus 2 days ago. You need to tell them you disagree and why on the article's talk page. This is how we resolve conflicts here. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 22:49, July 15, 2016 (UTC)

What!? What consensus? The only one who posted was TyphlosionX and he said that which name is fine and most would agree to choose "Supreme Kai of Time". Also, you defend that "we always choose the one that people best know" but it is turning a blind eye here? Bargeta (talk) 22:55, July 15, 2016 (UTC)

Bargeta here is the problem the MoS is contradicting itself this isn't the first time it has but titles like Supreme Kai of Time are not supposed to be used unless their are multiple characters with the same name like Vegeta, which is the name of the main villain in the Saiyan saga but is also his Father's name so there for on his father's page we use King Vegeta over just Vegeta and names like Chronoa are preferred to Supreme Kai of Time because of that and because of Supreme Kai of Time not being her actual name and Chronoa being a later name it is preferred over Supreme Kai time for that also.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  23:02,7/15/2016 
Bargeta, only 2 people have posted in the discussion. One said Chronoa is better, and the other said they don't care either way: that's a consensus in favor of Chronoa for the time being. However, as a user here you are fully empowered to post a reply on that talk page and voice your opinion, thereby reopening the topic for further discussion. Commenting on my talk page does not allow for community discussion pertaining to a specific article; you need to go to the article's talk page and take a stand. You have yet to state your opinion in the place where it matters so you can't complain that an opposing opinion is winning there. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 04:04, July 16, 2016 (UTC)

Fan art

The user Doc46 keeps adding fan art image to the Universe's article. Bargeta (talk) 19:00, July 13, 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. This appears to be a brand new user, so I left him a note. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 04:41, July 14, 2016 (UTC)

Somebody messed up on Bra's article

I tried to put everything back to normal but there is something wrong, "it doesn't want" to get back to normal. Correct it when you have time. Bargeta (talk) 01:09, July 18, 2016 (UTC)

Fixed it. Someone added a reference using <ref> without an ending </ref>. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 22:31, July 18, 2016 (UTC)


can you make blogs like this here?  Nikon23 06:21, July 21, 2016 (UTC)

Good catch. The link was to an illegally uploaded video. It is not allowed here since it is illegal. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 22:15, July 21, 2016 (UTC)

I think we have another blog and a page to delete the blog is by that user and I already added the Deletion tag to the page.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  23:36,7/22/2016 


Bargeta is still doing what you told him not to.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  23:34,7/21/2016 

Doesn't look like he overwrote any more image files. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 01:07, July 22, 2016 (UTC)
You also told him to stop messing up the article which until the last time I undone his edit he wasn't stopping. That is what I was talking about  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  01:10,7/22/2016 

Edit war

The user Goku20 is edit warring on Vegito's article. After you undid my change, I took the liberty to take other images with other naming scheme and he keeps remove them without reason. Bargeta (talk) 00:21, July 22, 2016 (UTC)

I gave you reasons also 10X has undone your edits also because you are screwing up the article. Also 10X he started the edit war with you and then continued it with me and the only reason he gives for the images after he stopped adding the ones that had nothing to do with Vegito is that they are better quality then the ones on there and not thumb nail wise compared to the thumb nail versions they are, but this isn't his first time edit warring and not following site policy.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  00:28,7/22/2016 

As long as Bargeta is adding the images he intends to (not the ones that used to be different images and he overwrote the files before I reverted those), then it's not an edit war with me. Poor quality images don't look good, so maybe we can find the same images in a high quality version such as Kai? -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 01:09, July 22, 2016 (UTC)
He was using images from Kai and they look a little too dark compare to the ones on there.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  01:11,7/22/2016 

There is no need to add the exact same images, some images of base form and Super Saiyan form are enough, too many images is also a bad thing, but quality above all else, and we have Dragon Ball Kai for that. Bargeta (talk) 01:15, July 22, 2016 (UTC)

Ok it kinda seems like you are Dragon Ball Z Kai bais. If you can find some brighter versions of the ones you added but leave the ones you just removed and leave the quotes I will be fine with that. Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  01:21,7/22/2016 

There is no "brighter" images, dude. All come from Youtube in the highest quality, buy a new PC if you are having trouble with images. And no, I will not leave random quotes in transformation section, there is no need for that. Bargeta (talk) 01:25, July 22, 2016 (UTC)

The images on the article are brighter if you open up your eyes and stop trying to push only DBZKai images on an article you would realize. Actually there is because he is saying that in his Super Saiyan form he is just that cocky.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  01:41,7/22/2016 

Edit war

The user Goku20 is still edit warring even though you said you were fine with the new images I added. Also, he called me "kid" in my talk page (as you can see [[2]] here). As I previously said, Goku20 only shows up here to undo other's edit and he does not contribute at all. Bargeta (talk) 01:45, July 22, 2016 (UTC)

The way you are acting and typing your messages make me think you are one also contrary to your believe I don't only show up on here to undo other user's edits I am on here from the time I get up till I go to bed I may not be active but still and 10X I also don't think understood what I was saying I emailed him about all this and you know what if I have to even if I do get temp banned I will go to Wikia Staff to take care of this problem so let it be known I am sick and tired of the bull shit where some user's will not use the article talk page after their edit is undone once or won't ask the user who undone their edit why they did. Also 10X yes I did call him a kid and I am pretty sure he is one because he types like one and he acts like one not wanting to follow site policy and everything I am not sorry for calling him one either.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  01:54,7/22/2016 

While I did call him a kid I have since removed the message since there was no reply to it and he has a picture here showing I did, but I also done it just in case you said the if I wanted to be able to continue to edit I would have to remove it. I am still not sorry because I have a very good feeling that he is one.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  22:05,7/22/2016 

I did not say the images were fine, I said you were not edit warring with me personally. Your edits may still be bad. Bargeta, you need to start using the article talk page to defend your opinion. By refusing to use the talk page, you are forfeiting your right to defend your edits. Goku20 is not edit warring, he is mad that you won't discuss the conflict with him on the article talk page. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 02:19, July 24, 2016 (UTC)

And what about the kid part? Bargeta (talk) 02:24, July 24, 2016 (UTC)

You're right Bargeta. Goku20, please stop calling Bargeta "kid". All else aside, he is offended by you doing this and has politely asked you to stop doing so. If you ignore his request and continue to offend him, it will be a personal attack. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 02:47, July 24, 2016 (UTC)

This is still nonsense. BigGrim and Meshack were banned even though they contributed a lot to this damn wiki, the first one being banned by "name calling" exactly Goku20 by "kid"... In their honor, this user should at least be kept away for a while. Bargeta (talk) 02:53, July 24, 2016 (UTC)

But see here is the difference between me and BigGrim, he wouldn't stop with the name calling you are the only one I have called a name. Also I will stop calling him a kid.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  03:07,7/24/2016 

Excellent, we're making progress. Remember we're all trying to improve the site, even though we occasionally have different ideas of what that means. When users seem to be here only to harass others, or they show blatant disregard to all the rules and have been blocked many times with no improvement, they lose editing rights. That's not the case here. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 03:22, July 26, 2016 (UTC)


Hey, allow me to introduce myself.

I'm SSJ3 Rusticus. The reason I'm contacting you tonight is admittedly random. I'd like for you to hear me out if you would be so kind.

If I understand correctly, every wikia community will eventually get a Discussion on its phone app. For some reason, if you aren't aware of what the discussions on the wikia apps are. Its just basically a forum. Works almost like the website chat. But, users just ask questions or post the theories and other users comment and contribute.

If the Dragon Ball Wikia does in fact get the discussions feature on it's app, I'd like to try to go for a position on it. Moderator, or something like it. I know, you've never met me, and asking for a position in a community that is unfamiliar with me is fairly random. Not to mention asking for a position on a feature that isn't even available, and may not ever be available, just makes it that much more weird. Allow me to explain.

I'm a life long Dragon Ball fan. I've been waiting for the discussions to appear on the Dragon Ball Wikia app. A friend of mine was inquiring about the potential for a discussion in another community. He received an email from the main wikia saying something like, "We hope to add the discussion feature to every Wikia community." So, I figured I'd try and contact a Buercrat over here and explain, well, basically what I just explained here. Let me give you my resumè of sorts.

I'm a "Discussion Moderator" over at the Fallout Wikia Discussions. Basically, what that position entails is cleaning up the Discussion Board on the Fallout Wikia phone app. I.e. deleting posts from users that violate the rules. I was also able to convince my community to give us the admin toolkit. In my experience, admins and mods that are already in place in wikia communities don't generally take interest in the discussions. That leads to trolls and spammers running rampant. Being an active, and responsible member of the community on the discussions led to my promotion there. I'm prematurely contacting you for that reason. If the discussions come, I can guarantee that I'd be an active user. My experience in that realm could benefit the community if that feature came.

Unfortunately, I can't say I'm that into contributing to the pages. Which, I figure already kind of ruins, if not, at least hurts my chances. What can I say? I'm not entirely great at sitting still. The discussions allow me to "fan boy" on the go! But, I assure you. I'm a responsible user and Discussion Moderator on the Fallout Wikia Discussions. I have the most comments and posts in that community. Since November, I have attributed 13,021 comments and posts. If needed, I'm sure I can convince my Buercrat to write me some sort of reference that will vouch for me. Not only my great behavior and abilty to lead. But, my ability to act professional and represent the wikia community.

Again, I know how weird and random this seems. I know, I'm not really even a member of this community. And, if the discussions feature comes, and positions open up to regulate it, there's probably a number of current, and active users that would be ahead of me. Rightfully so! But, my experience on the discussions, and abilty to regulate the discussion feature, gives me unique experience that others might not have. Not to mention my love for Dragon Ball that is primarily motivating me to send this message. I will try to become a familiar face around this community by joining the website's chat.

Thanks for reading all of that. I know, it was long, and potentially pointless. I at least hoped I conveyed myself, and reasons for contacting you in a proper, and, frankly, sane way. Haha. I hope you return my message on my talk page. Either way, I'll try to be an active user in this community from now on. I hope you have a nice night. Peace!

SSJ3 Rusticus (talk) 06:06, July 22, 2016 (UTC)

Hi there. I appreciate your enthusiasm and kind offer. While some other Wikis you have been to may not have any admins patrolling chat or blogs, I'm happy to say we absolutely do. As per the admin page ( ) we have an admin designated as our Social Administrator. Liquid Speaker is often in chat, and he promotes new chat moderators. The Social Admin position is not new here, and Liquid is in fact the third to take on this role. Being as we have a Social Admin already, I will respectfully decline your offer. Thanks for the info and feel free to stick around for the long haul. Who knows what the future holds. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 02:29, July 24, 2016 (UTC)
No worries. I just thought I'd prematurely offer if that feature ever did come. I didn't mean to come off arrogant or something. Nor did I mean to imply anything against you, your fellow admins, or mods. Enthusiasm is probably the best, if not, politest way to describe it. Haha.
Ive just been waiting for a Discussion feature to come for the Dragon Ball Wikia. The excitement of the potential for it got me a little ahead of myself to say the least. Forgive me if I came off in any negative way. It was not my intention.
No worries, about anything from me personally. This is about how I figured it would pan out. Now you know who I am, and my enthusiasm. I'll definitely stick around for the future.
Peace, have a great day!

SSJ3 Rusticus (talk) 02:37, July 25, 2016 (UTC)

Two articles

Could you please delete this article? I created a new one out of my mistake.

And this one has that "Frieza's race" to be removed: Bargeta (talk) 18:21, July 22, 2016 (UTC)

I deleted the first article since you were the only editor. The second article has multiple editors, so I would need a reason to delete it. In the future, please use the deletion template to tag articles for admin review. This lets all admins know, rather than messaging just one, thereby getting the deletion done faster. I can show you how to add the template if you need help. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 02:36, July 24, 2016 (UTC)

Edit War

BREKKU is edit warring on Xenoverse 2 over something that already has a consensuses. Also I have left him a message expalining site policy but he appearently doesn't care.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  21:19,7/22/2016 

He has also vandalized the article, used the f word and name called multiple times on that page. I have fixed it all but I am pretty sure if he isn't stopped he will continue to not follow site policy. I am not offended by the name calling. He is back at it and the talk page for the article already has a section for it because RexGodwin was doing the same thing (edit warring) but only me and Nikon23 has discussed it and we both agree.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  22:02,7/22/2016 

I blocked him for 1 week. He shouldn't be deleting articles and replacing all the content with profanity. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 02:44, July 24, 2016 (UTC)

View source

Oh 10x, you can put View source in Evil Goku please. BabyKratosxZeus (talk) 17:40, July 25, 2016 (UTC)

What? -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 03:23, July 26, 2016 (UTC)

Xenoverse 2:

Bargeta keeps reverting my edits. first he said he was trying to make the page similar to the xenoverse page, but now he keep reverting the page for no reason. there's nothing wrong with the edits. he keep re adding that cropped  picture of masked saiyan, when clearly a better image of the character was found. i added a Edtion section to xenoverse 2 page (just like the edition section on xenoverse). need someone else to take a look at this. also started a new section on the talk page and send him a message. Nikon23 09:48, July 27, 2016 (UTC)

As Goku20 pointed out, your edits had many typos. While Bargeta did not respond yet to his talk page or the article talk page, he also didn't undo the edit again since you started those topics. For now, read what Goku20 wrote about the typos. If Bargeta undoes your edit once it's good without discussion, let me know. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 06:25, July 28, 2016 (UTC)


Do you think the whole year category thing is a good thing?  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  00:26,8/4/2016 

It depends on how the community thinks about it and tell me how it works. Also nice to meet you as I happen to be on this site for a year or so.
I was asking for 10X's opinion also I have been on here for four years, in my opinion the year category for the episodes, video games, and movies is not needed because the page for them all have what year they were released. Please sign your posts on talk pages and forums with "~" also hit enter and use ":" to put your message under the one you are replying to.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  07:02,8/4/2016 
Okay as I don't often edit things much due to my laziness. I also used a mobile device. To be more precise, I using a tablet. I not so sure if you need a general consensus for this one, but it seems it might be the case there. Also thanks for the advise. Starkiller215 (talk) 08:14, August 4, 2016 (UTC)Starkiller215

Doesn't sound useful. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 04:39, August 6, 2016 (UTC)

Syn Shenron Page

A User keeps changing the Syn Shenron Page name to De Omega Shenron. I don't believe Syn is called De Omega Shenron. I tried fixing this but it was again renamed by the same user. I don't wan't to accidently get into some edit war with this guy. If my memory serves me Syn Shenron was never called De Omega Shenron ever, he was called Omega but never De Omega. Plus if I'm correct we do use the given name of a character correct? Please help. (14matthi (talk) 02:10, August 7, 2016 (UTC))

You are correct also Omega Shenron is the name of one of his transformations.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  02:24,8/7/2016 
That's what I thought thank you :) (14matthi (talk) 02:27, August 7, 2016 (UTC))

No problem I have even left him a message on his talk page.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  02:29,8/7/2016 

Thanks again I didn't want to get myself accidently cought in an edit war. (14matthi (talk) 02:33, August 7, 2016 (UTC))

The user seems to be doing whatever they want without reading the rules or the MoS. I blocked them for 3 days and left a message on their talk page. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 05:04, August 8, 2016 (UTC)


Can I/is it possible to change my username? Bargeta (talk) 03:48, August 8, 2016 (UTC)

I believe there is a Wikia-wide feature to do so, but I have never used it. You don't need permission but you will need to locate the button. Sorry I'm not more helpful with this. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 05:06, August 8, 2016 (UTC)

About Signatures.

Excuse me, Sir. Considering my inactivity and lack of knowledge in regards to most features of all wikias. I do like to know how I can make a signature as I will off handily admit due to my lack of knowledge and laziness, I will need some help in that regard. Starkiller215 (talk) 05:23, August 8, 2016 (UTC)Starkiller215

At the top of this page, there are some tips including a link to my beginner tutorial on signatures. Give it a shot. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 03:19, August 11, 2016 (UTC)

Edit warring

The user TheCreepy904 is edit warring on Super Saiyan 2 article, adding false information with no official source at all. Bargeta (talk) 13:45, August 9, 2016 (UTC)

Yeah right, I spesifically said, it's not a new form, I said it's a downgrade, it deserves to be there, we have never seen that as I have put in my summary, but you seem to be ignoring it, I fixed everyone elses mistake for it being a new form. TheCreepy904 (talk) 13:47, August 9, 2016 (UTC)

But it is there, already mentioned a couple of lines above. And also mentioned in the Third Grade article. Creating a session is creating a new form/state, which is not the case. Bargeta (talk) 13:53, August 9, 2016 (UTC)

Well then maybe you should put it in there the way you think it should be done. It needs to be mentioned.TheCreepy904 (talk) 10:19, August 10, 2016 (UTC)

TheCreepy904 (may I call you Creepy?), Trunks uses one form and then another. There is no new form, and there is no need to mention him switching between forms on that article. It's good info for an episode summary, but it does not add any useful data about the Super Saiyan 2 form. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 03:26, August 11, 2016 (UTC)


I have found a possible sockpuppet AdainJ. I am pretty sure the user is a sockpuppet of Adianj one because of and edit they both made and the names are almost the same besides the second a and the i being switched.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  03:52,8/13/2016 

Looks like he switched completely from one to the other and isn't abusing the system by using both. Let's keep an eye on it. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 04:12, August 13, 2016 (UTC)


when was a Saiyan-God considered or confirmed as a race? Nikon23 20:36, August 15, 2016 (UTC)

It's not as far as I know. Why do you ask? -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 21:42, August 15, 2016 (UTC)
never mind. the issue was resolved. Nikon23 06:28, August 17, 2016 (UTC)

It's not a race it's a Title that a Saiyan achieves when they have the power of Super Saiyan God

Use of "Ultra Super Saiyan" in Super Saiyan 3rd Grade page

I'm attempting to remove a bit of unofficial information in the Super Saiyan Third Grade, whereas it is referred to as "Ultra Super Saiyan" and I'm attempting to added {{fact}} templates to a couple of doubtful alternate names featured in the infobox[3], yet Goku20 reverted my edit wholesale with no comment[4] and sent me a talk page message telling me to simply play one game[5] without acknowledging all of other parts that they reverted. Following their example, I sent him a comment on his talk page stating my position and my reasoning[6], then I reinstated my edit, this time being more lenient with certain things[7] and the user, once again reverted my edits without comment[8], telling me to "follow site policy" (which one?) and to not use user talk pages to discuss edits (ironic, given they did they first)[9].

I ask for an intervention on part of the adminship, as I'm sure our edit warring will lead to nothing. — Zero-ELEC (talk) 22:52, August 21, 2016 (UTC)

You started the edit war because you wouldn't follow site policy I only messaged you three times on your talk page one to tell you where Super was used, then to ask you to follow site policy which means use the article talk page to discuss why your edit was undone, and finally to tell you that a user's talk page is not the place to talk about what was wrong with your edit. Also here is what is wrong with your edit overall on Super 2 is that it was actually called that but I can't remember where and fan names as long as they have been used by not only fans but either the source materiel, the author, or company with rights to the materiel. Now Super Saiyan 1.5 I don't know exactly where that came from if you want to know look back and find who added it and then message them. When your edit is undone once it is best to use the article talk page till a consensuses is reached. Also I would like to add that he/she didn't message me till after I undone his/her edit the last time.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  23:25,8/21/2016 

You do not delete {{Fact}} templates, you add citations to replace them. You don't revert edits wholesale, you fix errors. If you can't recall where something comes from, you don't add it. Ultra Super Saiyan hasn't been used by official products, and was made up by Curtis Hoffman back in 1993. — Zero-ELEC (talk) 23:51, August 21, 2016 (UTC)

You do revert edits wholesale if you dispute the edit which is what I done. Also only you have had a problem with that name, plus Ultra Super Saiyan, and Super Saiyan 1.5 which the last one is kind of understandable since Super Saiyan Second Grade has it for an alternate name also. I am trying to be respectful but let's just say I am getting to the point to where I am not going to be respectful, I am a 24 year old and have been on here longer then you and I don't take to kindly to user who have been on here a shorter amount of time then me trying to tell me what to do.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  00:12,8/22/2016 

Hi Zero, and welcome. The great thing about Wikis is they consist of the best information as created and edited by a community. Our local policies are designed to facilitate this collaborative atmosphere. For example, if someone reverts your edit because they disagree, you will probably not make a lot of progress by simply messaging that person. Rather, you should create a discussion topic on the article's talk page, alerting everyone interested to the issue, and allowing the community at large to come to the best possible consensus. When two editors are adding and deleting the same edit, they should leave the page as it was before the disputed edit and seek a consensus on the talk page, after which the consensus should be applied. Without an article talk page discussion, it is unlikely an agreement between only two editors can be reached, resulting in an edit war. As an admin, I would rather lead you to appeal to the community for the best answer when possible than hand down an edict. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 03:48, August 22, 2016 (UTC)

Edit war and screwing up the format

The user JamariT2000 is edit warring, adding more than enough images (bad images) into the body of the Super Saiyan 2's article, as a result, the format gets screwed.

He also refuses to leave the page as it was to reach a consensus, saying "there's no need". Bargeta (talk) 18:59, August 22, 2016 (UTC)

Listen here, your opinion of the images should not keep them from being added to the page. It needed updates, those 2 battles were not there, so I just decided to add them. Then you come and say they're bad, which is no reason to remove images. Also, these pages are constantly updates whenever new info is released. Which means sooner or later someone would've done the same thing. And I wouldn't be surprised if its updated again sometime in the future. JamariT2000 (talk) 19:34, August 22, 2016 (UTC)

However, I do see your issues with me edit warring, and I apologize for not going to the tak page, but my other statement still stands. JamariT2000 (talk) 20:11, August 22, 2016 (UTC)

And I don't see those images as being bad. Those are probably some of the best in the whole Dragon Ball Super series. If you want to see bad, go look at a picture from Goku and Beerus' fight. JamariT2000 (talk) 20:13, August 22, 2016 (UTC)

Don't want to toss in an unneeded third opinion here but I just can't resist:

Adding images is very helpful to the wiki, of course, but adding too many to a single page can be slightly counterproductive. An image in an article is supposed enhance the article itself by providing a visual. The SSJ2 page already has many pictures, including one of SSJ2 Goku, so I personally don't think we need two more stuffed in there. In fact, we could probably remove and replace a few of the pictures on the page since there's really no use for more than 5 images in a section. I personally see no reason to add an image for every single fight SSJ2 was used in, it just clogs the article up.

The gallery, however, is completely different because it's supposed to be filled with images. I think pictures such as the ones you posted would be better suited for the gallery instead of being shoved into the middle of the page just for the purpose of being there. -- Final ChidoriTalk 23:18, August 22, 2016 (UTC)

I agree with Final Chidori (nice to have you back mate!), we only need images in the article body that show unique forms. Having the same form in a different location or fighting someone different doesn't add descriptive info about the form appearance, which is what images are for. The gallery is more appropriate for the same form in a new situation. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 00:52, August 24, 2016 (UTC)

Blog Shenanigans

Hey there 10X, would you mind deleting this blog for spam/advertisement? Not sure if it's a spam user since the person who created it only has three edits as of now (with two of them being on the blog itself), I'll keep an eye out for now but I'm sure he's harmless. Thanks! -- Final ChidoriTalk 23:05, August 22, 2016 (UTC)

Well spotted. I deleted the article, but I agree it's unclear if he is a spambot or what due to that basically being his only edit. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 00:54, August 24, 2016 (UTC)

Heads up

Hey, 10X! There's a new user who's vandalized an article. He's only done one so far, so I've left him a short little unofficial warning. Nevertheless, I thought you'd like to see it as well just in case he does more. -- Final ChidoriTalk 04:18, August 25, 2016 (UTC)

Nice work. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 20:04, August 27, 2016 (UTC)

Age 798 & 781

Just a note, because i've been looking at the timeline stuff alot lately. I believe the person who added the deletion notice did so (and removed the text there) because that year isn't valid, as those events actually happen in 797, not 798. If you check Age 797, you'll find that everything in 798 is there, but correct, as it's in the right year. It was all in 798 because of a miscalculation in the times. Also, any reason for adding the Future Trunks Saga to 781. I mean, you've referenced it, so I assume the manga says it's so (Edit: actually, I checked and that chapter doesn't give any information about time beyond it being 10 years (Future Time) since Future Trunks returned from the future after Cell's defeat, and 1 year since Black appeared), but Super is anime-first, and the anime hasn't depicted Bulla having been born yet, so it should still be 780. Wixelt (talk) 21:24, August 28, 2016 (UTC)

And still, the whole manga Trunks's age was a mistranslation, Bra hasn't born yet. The whole age 781-798 is a mistake {{SUBST:Usuario:YonedgeHp/Firma}}

For the love of God, could we change SSGSS' name?

No progress will ever be made unless an admin actively reads the talk page and judges the arguments. This has been postponed endlessly over and over again, and now supporters of SSGSS are falling to speculation and baseless concerns about the future. Just read the recent discussions on the talk page. Isn't it about time we stop postponing it, since the wait has never once helped the SSGSS argument and has only helped the SSJB argument? This is going to keep repeating until an admin decides, it's really unnecessary. ~~ IST O L E T H E P I ES π 00:26, August 30, 2016 (UTC)

10X I have suggested holding off on the renaming because mainly of the fact that we could have to merge SSR with it and they could possibly say that Super Saiyan Rose is a different verison of Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan. The whole speculation about the future is that the English verison of DBS could go back to saying SSGSS and/or say SSB is a nickname or shorter name, that is one possibility or they could change the name altogether. I am going to be against the renaming of the article till we have confirmation that SSGSS will never be used again I am talking about Akira Toiryama's word, but I have said that if they want to go ahead and rename it then fine but once we have confirmation about the future after the English verison of DBS is realeased (on the name they will use) if they do like I said they possibly could I will rename it.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  00:38,8/30/2016 

So that finally settles it. Glad we can put this issue to rest. 10X, can you rename the page yourself since it's protected from normal plebs like us from doing so? Thanks a ton. -- Final ChidoriTalk 01:01, August 30, 2016 (UTC)

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